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4949
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12/1/2008  4:46 PM
Posted by matt:

I really don't understand what is so hard about figuring out how much someone is owed, then paying them for it

If the contract says he gets 21 million (or whatever amount it exactly is) just give it to him and be done with this fiasco

Two things. We can afford the fiasco a little while longer, until Donnie gets what he wants. And two, Marbury has got to be kept away from the team from now on.
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12/1/2008  4:49 PM
I would love a resolution ASAP, but I also don't blame the team for wanting him to be reasonable and come to some kind of reduced buyout number. He really has no power in the end, cuz they can just say we're done talking to you and tell him to stay away. Then he may get his money, but he'll lose precious time as he worked so hard to be in shape for this year and now won't get to play one minute. If that's how he wants this to go down, then so be it.

I wouldn't just give him away to some other Eastern Conf. team so they can get better at our expense. Steph not having an agent is a huge problem, cuz he's a nut job and very stubborn. He won't think rationally about any of this. Dolan may be just as crazy, but we can't get rid of him. He actually isn't a day to day factor like Steph can be.
Having an owner that will spend whatever it takes to win can be a plus if you have a good GM. So I just look forward to the day Steph is gone and we can move forward.
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12/1/2008  4:50 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:

Man our GM is pathetic handling this matter.

why? What irreparable harm has come to the team? Has the team tanked? Has LeBron or other free agents said they wouldn't come to this team because of the way Donnie has handled this?

If anything, they only party really getting long term harm is Marbury.
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12/1/2008  4:50 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by matt:

I really don't understand what is so hard about figuring out how much someone is owed, then paying them for it

If the contract says he gets 21 million (or whatever amount it exactly is) just give it to him and be done with this fiasco

Why should he get paid for not playing and having been a cancer to the team since his arrival? If you go to the store and buy a computer, take it home and find out it's busted, do you say, "oh well"? In Marbury's case, it's not just busted, but it also blew out every electronics appliance in the house. Why shouldn't he be held accountable?

I know that it's not the best logic in the world, but say if that computer was destroying more things the more time it was in your house, wouldn't you want to do whatever it took to just get rid of it?

I don't think there's a great choice in all of this, but that would certainly fix the immediate problem
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12/1/2008  4:52 PM
This goes back to what I said on another thread:

I say take his one million dollar offer, and pay the rest but only if:

He doesn't play for another team in this league, for the rest of the season (and why would anyone care to argue with that?).

He keeps his mouth shut about Donnie, D'Antoni and his x-teammates and has no contact with any of them.

Does not come after the Knicks with a lawsuit.

And if he wants to, (and if anyone else wants to) he can go play in another country.

If' he refuses any of those conditions, then keep him on payroll, and keep him the hell away from MSG and the Knicks. Make him suffer on his own and if he continues to bad mouth the franchise, then sue him!
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12/1/2008  4:52 PM
Let him rot until:

a) he begs for his release w/ a significant concession of $$
b) a trade (i.e. Marion) presents itself. For example:

New York Knicks

Incoming Players
Udonis Haslem
Salary: $6,575,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 11.9 REB: 8.5 AST: 0.9 PER: 15.01

Shawn Marion
Salary: $17,810,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 11.7 REB: 8.9 AST: 1.9 PER: 15.69

Mark Blount
Salary: $8,513,916 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 3.2 REB: 1.6 AST: 0.1 PER: 5.93

Mario Chalmers
Salary: $700,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 8.7 REB: 2.8 AST: 4.4 PER: 13.27


Outgoing Players: Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, David LeeMiami Heat

Incoming Players
Stephon Marbury
Salary: $20,840,625 Years Remaining: 1

Eddy Curry
Salary: $9,723,983 Years Remaining: 2

David Lee
Salary: $1,788,033 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 14.1 REB: 9.1 AST: 1.9 PER: 17.05


Outgoing Players: Udonis Haslem, Shawn Marion, Mark Blount, Mario Chalmers

Cut Snacks for the extra roster spot:

Leaves you with:

C: Harrington, Haslem, Blount
PF: Marion, Thomas
SF: Chandler, QRich
SG: Nate, Roberson
PG: Duhon, Chalmers

and 2010 salary obligation completely devoid of significant contracts.
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12/1/2008  4:56 PM
I don't get the argument that we shouldn't allow him to walk away and make some other team better for free.
Whatever about buying him out or not, going on past form, whoever he plays for is unlikely to get better.

In fact, come to think of it, why not send him to the Celtics, and let him make them worse, same as he has every other team he's played for.
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12/1/2008  5:07 PM
He doesn't care to collect a free paycheck. He's not rotting. He's laughing while the Knicks eat $22mil.
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12/1/2008  5:12 PM
Posted by markvmc:

I don't get the argument that we shouldn't allow him to walk away and make some other team better for free.
Whatever about buying him out or not, going on past form, whoever he plays for is unlikely to get better.

In fact, come to think of it, why not send him to the Celtics, and let him make them worse, same as he has every other team he's played for.

Nope.

[Edited by - 4949 on 12-01-2008 5:17 PM]
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12/1/2008  5:13 PM
He's only laughing if he doesn't enjoy playing anymore. Otherwise he'd be dying everytime he missed a game. Money is more important to him than the game at this point obviously. His pride is more important than the game. or................He doesn't understand the long-term ramifications of sitting on his butt and not playing. He's short sighted and only thinking about today and doesn't realize that he is losing long-term dollars by being a part of YET ANOTHER FEUD while also getting older and not playing.

He wants to dictate terms when he really has little bargaining power. His only leg to stand on is to try to force the team to dump him by becoming more of a pain everyday. Which in the long run hurts his wallet. So really, why wouldn't he accept a buyout??????? He's not going to lose anything if he accepts one.
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12/1/2008  5:14 PM
The knicks like every other team in the league do not want to pay a malcontent a full contract to play somewhere else(possibly a competitor) while that malcontent is also collecting a paycheck from the new team that signed him. when will logic prevail?
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12/1/2008  5:14 PM

I think they should make Steph do grunt work in practice, carry the balls, refill the other players water, run personal errands for q rich etc, every time he acts up they can suspend him and save 250k.
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12/1/2008  5:17 PM
Originally posted by markvmc:

I don't get the argument that we shouldn't allow him to walk away and make some other team better for free.
Whatever about buying him out or not, going on past form, whoever he plays for is unlikely to get better.
In fact, come to think of it, why not send him to the Celtics, and let him make them worse, same as he has every other team he's played for.

Even if he ends up with a team that wins it all? We'll never hear the end of it. No thanks.

If I was Donnie, I'd up the figure slightly and show Marbury that he had it better the first time. If he wants to accuse the Knicks of disrespecting him (and what a joke) then we should live up to those very words. Belittle him, make him smaller because he's already opening up the mouth again. This guy never had it so good. He blew it and now it's our turn.

I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/1/2008  5:25 PM
Its really simple actually...Marbury is gonna get his money one way or another. You never know he might be traded bf trade deadline (i.e. for Marion). If not just keep him inactive and away from the team for the rest of the season. Why let him sign with an eastern conference team and possibly help that team to the playoffs. That could possibly prevent us from that playoff spot which we have a chance for.

So trade him or just let him sit home and collect his entire pay check...those are the only 2 solutions.
The knicks shaving off a few million is not that big of a deal considering the amount of $ they've wasted over the years. If teams know (such as Miami) that we are not gonna cut him then a trade is more likely. If not, let him sit home, which makes a statement no matter how much $ you make you are no bigger than the team.
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12/1/2008  5:27 PM
Posted by TLover:

Its really simple actually...Marbury is gonna get his money one way or another. You never know he might be traded bf trade deadline (i.e. for Marion). If not just keep him inactive and away from the team for the rest of the season. Why let him sign with an eastern conference team and possibly help that team to the playoffs. That could possibly prevent us from that playoff spot which we have a chance for.

So trade him or just let him sit home and collect his entire pay check...those are the only 2 solutions.
The knicks shaving off a few million is not that big of a deal considering the amount of $ they've wasted over the years. If teams know (such as Miami) that we are not gonna cut him then a trade is more likely. If not, let him sit home, which makes a statement no matter how much $ you make you are no bigger than the team.

I certainly wouldn't mind trading him for another player and paying the majority of his contract. Can we do that? That would actually work out much better for us.
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12/1/2008  5:46 PM
This is personal between Dolan and Marbury. Marbury Phuched him over big last year during AnuchaGate and made him look even more stupid than he already is. Isiah I am sure is on the shoyt list also. Larry took a paycut to have his freedom. Larry has options and is working again. Larry is prideful and wants his legacy not to be the knicks. Isiah can have his money but has to be quiet. He does not have options, but im sure he is free to negotiate a fair settlement that saves MSG money, and allows him to move on with his life.

DumpBury is talking about being disrespected like he is owed somthing. He took no reponsablity of ever being a max player and the responsabilty that comes with it. It took it as being past due. He has burned many people, many coaches in his career.

Just about any other player would compromise, and be respectful and mutually respected to reach a deal.

Go Jimmy GO!

He has sat there and said nothing until now. Finally he got broken and showed his real colors.

This knick team is not going anywhere and he is not breaking any chemistry. The players are paid pro's and will play for Mike.
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12/1/2008  5:51 PM
Posted by Nalod:

This is personal between Dolan and Marbury. Marbury Phuched him over big last year during AnuchaGate and made him look even more stupid than he already is. Isiah I am sure is on the shoyt list also. Larry took a paycut to have his freedom. Larry has options and is working again. Larry is prideful and wants his legacy not to be the knicks. Isiah can have his money but has to be quiet. He does not have options, but im sure he is free to negotiate a fair settlement that saves MSG money, and allows him to move on with his life.

DumpBury is talking about being disrespected like he is owed somthing. He took no reponsablity of ever being a max player and the responsabilty that comes with it. It took it as being past due. He has burned many people, many coaches in his career.

Just about any other player would compromise, and be respectful and mutually respected to reach a deal.

Go Jimmy GO!

He has sat there and said nothing until now. Finally he got broken and showed his real colors.

This knick team is not going anywhere and he is not breaking any chemistry. The players are paid pro's and will play for Mike.

That last part really says it all in the end.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/1/2008  5:53 PM
Maybe the house is burning down...but they are going to save the foundation.....even if there are only two players on this roster signed past 2010. Marbury team is down to their last option. If he is banished, he has to agree not to play. It's game of attrition.

[Edited by - Rookie on 12-01-2008 5:57 PM]
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12/1/2008  6:05 PM
Steph has officially been sent home.

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12/1/2008  6:05 PM
I think Marbury is very stubborn and believes he has been wronged. Hopefully pulling him out of the limelight will help both sides come to a resolution sooner.
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