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12/1/2008  1:49 PM
I think, if this trade were made, the focus of what we're getting back is primarily Bayless. Too much focus on Frye here. He'd be a 15 minute a night big to throw into the rotation. He and Jefferies could split Lee's minutes, but you'd get a dynamic guard prospect.
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12/1/2008  1:57 PM
I actually like the trade. We can probably resign Frye for half what Lee will make. Bayless is a solid prospect who has the potential to be a star IMO. This trade is a win-win. We get a solid guard prospect who we don't have to pay until after 2010. We get a solid shooting big man who we should be able to resign for cheap. Not sure if I would pull the trigger, but I would at least think about this deal. This deal would probably clear another $2-4 million from the salary cap assuming we would have resigned Lee.
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12/1/2008  2:00 PM
Posted by izybx:

I would do it. But then again, who wouldbe our teams best rebounder? Nate Robinson?

What if we lose Lee for nothing?
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Posted by purple012870:

I think, if this trade were made, the focus of what we're getting back is primarily Bayless. Too much focus on Frye here. He'd be a 15 minute a night big to throw into the rotation. He and Jefferies could split Lee's minutes, but you'd get a dynamic guard prospect.

Exactly. Aside from Lee getting traded, anyone we bring to this team should be able to run and gun in a D'Antoni system. That should be the first requirement. I don't care if it's the best free throw shooter in the league or best ball handler in the league. If you can't hang, then you can be on this team.

Curry and Jerome certainly can't because they are basically out of shape and don't maintain a higher excellence of diet and physical strength, including cardiovascular excises. It's proof right there. And perhaps Jeffries breaking his leg, maybe it is contributed to that also.
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12/1/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by TheGame:

I actually like the trade. We can probably resign Frye for half what Lee will make. Bayless is a solid prospect who has the potential to be a star IMO. This trade is a win-win. We get a solid guard prospect who we don't have to pay until after 2010. We get a solid shooting big man who we should be able to resign for cheap. Not sure if I would pull the trigger, but I would at least think about this deal. This deal would probably clear another $2-4 million from the salary cap assuming we would have resigned Lee.

I don't think Lee is worth more than 6 million tops, for about four years. I think Donnie made the right move by not signing him. I think it is important to have all these events happen at the same time, when you can start shifting big money around all at once and have many more options. Same thing with Nate. If these two guys want to really be a part of this and if we all basically agree that they are both good for us, then they will take a reasonable offer. And if not, then the money will be on the table, to offer to other players.

Remember guys, this is one of the biggest talent pools coming up and there's going to be plenty of talent to be had. So our options are going to be open like they have never been open before. I have total trust in Donnie Walsh and total trust in D'Antoni to make this team into a super competitive franchise again. Let it all unfold and come together at one time. No need to make unnecessary moves at this time. No need to panic and push the 'let's get rid of Lee campaign'. I say wait for full and total options to come to pass. I think that is the only way to see what we have and to see what we can get all at once.

In my eyes, Curry is the only necessary piece left to get rid of. His contact will be in the way of getting more talent on this team.
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12/1/2008  2:29 PM
Posted by 4949:
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That's not a bad trade. Frye's perimter shooting would actually make some sense here.

Some of us like learning lessons more than once, don't we?

I know. dont want start a trend of bringing back players who didnt work the first time
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12/1/2008  2:35 PM
we really don't need more soft guys who looks at certain times lost and don't know what they are doing
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12/1/2008  2:38 PM
It is actually a fair trade. Frye with D'Antoni should do well because he can shoot and he would be out by 2010 in any case. And we would get another rookie friendly contract who may turn into an useful player, and let us trade Nate for a first round pick if needed.

That being said, I woudnt have a problem if Lee can be resigned with a contract starting at 7/8 million max.

It all depends on what are his expectations.
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12/1/2008  2:43 PM
if we trade Lee to Portland, let's restock the backcourt completely - Bayless and Sergio Rodriguez for Lee and the second rounder we got from Denver.

I'm not opposed to this trade, I just wish we had drafted Bayless to begin with.

What a wasted pick Gallinari was. And we all knew it at the time.
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12/1/2008  2:43 PM
Guys are going nutty over Frye just b/c he's included in this offer. Take a breather- the primary talent coming back here is Bayless...would you have done Lee for Bayless plus on draft night?

Maybe, maybe not- don't think its necessarily a bad offer though if you're gonna let Lee walk.
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12/1/2008  2:44 PM
If we do this trade does it make nate the piece we need to move eddy? Because that is the most important thing. I actually don't have the deal it would give us the following

PG-Duhon/Bayless

SG-Chandler/Jefferies
PF-Gallo

And cap room I would not go near Channing Frye he stinks even in this system, even if we have to give up a future number one perhaps 2011 in a Nate Eddy Deal. You have three guys in the lineup that can stroke a jumper from anywhere on the court thinkk about adding Lebron/Bosh to that lineup it's scary. If we don't get those guys we will be horrible, however what is really the difference between where we are now and where we would be
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12/1/2008  2:44 PM
Why would the Blazers want Lee. They seem to be stacked at every position. They would then have to worry about resigning Lee who wants that.
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12/1/2008  2:53 PM
why would the Knicks want Frye back?
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12/1/2008  2:55 PM
I can tell you this Portland loves David Lee. Everyone is saying what a great move by Donnie Walsh by not signing Lee. Now that Lee is healthy and putting up big numbers Lee has the leverage. No team will trade for him because of him being a RFA at the end of the year. Someone will overbid on Lee and when you could have gotten him for 40-45 now will cost you 55-60 because of someone overbidding. If you dont get rid of him you have to draft a big even if a great guard is out there.
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12/1/2008  3:04 PM
Why wouldn't they want Lee. He is one of the most efficient players in the league and when someone gets him the ball he finishes and rebounds at high rate and does the little things. You need a good rotation of bigs and that would set them up for the next 6 years if he resigns for 8-9 it's a deal.
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12/1/2008  3:08 PM
Posted by King1:

I can tell you this Portland loves David Lee. Everyone is saying what a great move by Donnie Walsh by not signing Lee. Now that Lee is healthy and putting up big numbers Lee has the leverage. No team will trade for him because of him being a RFA at the end of the year. Someone will overbid on Lee and when you could have gotten him for 40-45 now will cost you 55-60 because of someone overbidding. If you dont get rid of him you have to draft a big even if a great guard is out there.

Who is going to sign Lee at $10M per year? Cause if they sign him for them much I am guessing they would want him to start, and right now he ain't a starter. So that's a lot to offer someone who is your 6th man.
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12/1/2008  3:09 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

It is actually a fair trade. Frye with D'Antoni should do well because he can shoot and he would be out by 2010 in any case. And we would get another rookie friendly contract who may turn into an useful player, and let us trade Nate for a first round pick if needed.

Now I'm really getting confused by this logic. So we are going to trade Lee and Nate just' to get first round picks?????? What was the point of drafting the both of them, only to develop them and get rid of them?? Holy smokes!

Maybe we can develop those new drafts and then get rid of them in a few years for even 'newer' draft picks! Wow! I'm sure Lebron would love to see that as he by passes us as a joke.

[Edited by - 4949 on 12-01-2008 3:11 PM]
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12/1/2008  3:41 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

It is actually a fair trade. Frye with D'Antoni should do well because he can shoot and he would be out by 2010 in any case. And we would get another rookie friendly contract who may turn into an useful player, and let us trade Nate for a first round pick if needed.

Now I'm really getting confused by this logic. So we are going to trade Lee and Nate just' to get first round picks?????? What was the point of drafting the both of them, only to develop them and get rid of them?? Holy smokes!

Maybe we can develop those new drafts and then get rid of them in a few years for even 'newer' draft picks! Wow! I'm sure Lebron would love to see that as he by passes us as a joke.

[Edited by - 4949 on 12-01-2008 3:11 PM]
Well, maybe, just maybe, a future drafted player will be better than Lee and Nate. But what I mean is that I want draft picks and cap space for 2010. Lee and Nate are ok, but if I can get a better pontentially better player than Nate in Bayless and also get a first round pick, I think its a good idea.
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12/1/2008  4:00 PM
Posted by King1:

I can tell you this Portland loves David Lee. Everyone is saying what a great move by Donnie Walsh by not signing Lee. Now that Lee is healthy and putting up big numbers Lee has the leverage. No team will trade for him because of him being a RFA at the end of the year. Someone will overbid on Lee and when you could have gotten him for 40-45 now will cost you 55-60 because of someone overbidding. If you dont get rid of him you have to draft a big even if a great guard is out there.

King 1 If we trade lee to Portland--they hold his bird rights. They can match any offer and they will have cap room --they hold all of the shots. I believe you about Portland loving Lee--it's obvious and easy to understand why from every angle--people don't think before they speak.

As a Knick fans first I cannot accept a scenario where Lee just walks--either pay him fairly or get the most you can for him soon. No matter what those Bird rights mean a lot--that gives any team the ability to keep Lee no matter what. So the Knicks do have leverage now for trading him but once that deadline is gone---its all over--he may walk for free. And everyone knows teams ALWAYS overpay in FA--POrtland and Memphis are going to go heavy$$ wise for Lee and if they do it smart they can make that second year not very palatable to match for the Knicks by frontloading.
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12/1/2008  4:11 PM
Posted by 4949:
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I actually like the trade. We can probably resign Frye for half what Lee will make. Bayless is a solid prospect who has the potential to be a star IMO. This trade is a win-win. We get a solid guard prospect who we don't have to pay until after 2010. We get a solid shooting big man who we should be able to resign for cheap. Not sure if I would pull the trigger, but I would at least think about this deal. This deal would probably clear another $2-4 million from the salary cap assuming we would have resigned Lee.

I don't think Lee is worth more than 6 million tops, for about four years. I think Donnie made the right move by not signing him. I think it is important to have all these events happen at the same time, when you can start shifting big money around all at once and have many more options. Same thing with Nate. If these two guys want to really be a part of this and if we all basically agree that they are both good for us, then they will take a reasonable offer. And if not, then the money will be on the table, to offer to other players.

Remember guys, this is one of the biggest talent pools coming up and there's going to be plenty of talent to be had. So our options are going to be open like they have never been open before. I have total trust in Donnie Walsh and total trust in D'Antoni to make this team into a super competitive franchise again. Let it all unfold and come together at one time. No need to make unnecessary moves at this time. No need to panic and push the 'let's get rid of Lee campaign'. I say wait for full and total options to come to pass. I think that is the only way to see what we have and to see what we can get all at once.

In my eyes, Curry is the only necessary piece left to get rid of. His contact will be in the way of getting more talent on this team.

Lee is going to want $8-9 million at least. It is as simple as that. I highly doubt he is going to take $6 million just to stay in New York, and we probably cannot afford to pay him $9 million if we are trying to sign Lebron and Bosh or Amare and if we want to keep Nate. It is probably going to come down to keeping Nate or Lee and Nate seems the more likely candidate because we don't have too many people on the team who can do what he does and he will come at a cheaper price. With the need to create a spot for DG over the next 2 years, I just don't see how it will make longterm sense to resign Lee for $9 million. Now Lee should remain tradeable if we don't go overboard, so maybe you sign him with the thought being if it becomes clear we need a different piece, we should be able to move him. IN either case, I certainly am not suggesting rushing into anything. I think we wait until February and see if any good deals come along (like the Harris-Kidd trade). If we can sell Lee high, I would move him.
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