Chris Duhon is the best pure PG we've had since Mark Jackson
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islesfan
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11/29/2008 10:20 PM
Posted by TMS:Posted by islesfan:Posted by TMS: Yeah, he wasn't the exact same player but he was also running a much different system under Riley. You have to take that into account also. Either way, Harper was a much better PG than Duhon. If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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islesfan
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11/29/2008 10:21 PM
I'd rather have Ward. Battle tested, better shooter and much better defender.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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TMS
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11/29/2008 10:23 PM
Posted by islesfan: i can easily see Chris Duhon playing on those great Knicks teams & playing well... come on, u telling me if we had Ewing, Oak, Mason & Starks on this team that Duhon wouldn't look just as good if not better than Ward? EDIT: let me rephrase that... if we had Camby, Houston, Spree & LJ, i could easily see Duhon in Ward's role & being more successful overall in orchestrating that offense. [Edited by - TMS on 11-29-2008 7:29 PM] After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Allanfan20
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11/29/2008 10:24 PM
PG on the Knicks. It's really not saying much. He's not a better player than Marbury, but he's a better orchestrator. Other than that, he doesn't really have much to compete with, besides Harper who was about to retire. I wasn't a bball fan when Harper was on the Mavs though, so I can't really make the comparison.
Regardless, Duhon is playing great. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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TMS
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11/29/2008 10:25 PM
Posted by Allanfan20: that's all i'm saying... not trying to make Duhon out to be another Clyde Frazier. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Allanfan20
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11/29/2008 10:26 PM
Duhon is MUCH better than Ward. It's not like Duhon is NOT battle tested, btw. He made the playoffs with the Bulls, several times and he won a national title. He's more skilled than Ward too. Better at getting to the basket, better passer, not as good of a shooter, probably just as good a defender.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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Ira
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11/29/2008 10:26 PM
I like having a guy like Duhon running the offense. Guys like Marbury and Strickland can break down the d by penetrating. They get assists that way. But players like Duhon and Mark Jackson see the court and find the open man.
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islesfan
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11/29/2008 10:29 PM
Posted by TMS:Posted by islesfan: Honestly, it wouldn't. Duhon's lack of a consistent jumper would be painstakingly obvious. If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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TMS
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11/29/2008 10:31 PM
Posted by Ira: agreed... Duhon doesn't need to always dish off his penetration, he just seems to know when & where to get guys the ball in the flow of the offense & get them open looks... it's not just tonight that he's shown this. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Allanfan20
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11/29/2008 10:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:Posted by TMS:Posted by islesfan: Yeah, but so would his passing skills and his ability to get to the whole. Both things cross eachother out. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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TMS
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11/29/2008 10:38 PM
Posted by islesfan:Posted by TMS:Posted by islesfan: his career shooting percentages are really not all that different than what Ward used to put up & yet their assist totals are similar... i'd be willing to bet Duhon's assist totals would be a lot higher if he'd had the same teammates Ward played with over his career. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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CrushAlot
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11/29/2008 10:39 PM
I think if you interpet pure point guard as someone who runs the offense and sets up their teammates then you can say Duhon is the best pure point guard since Jackson. Harper was a warrior as a Knick but his glory years were with the Mavs. Harper played tough 'd' and hit some big shots but he didn't create for his teammates like Duhon has. Duhon is in the dream offense for a point guard and that helps alot.
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VDesai
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11/29/2008 11:28 PM
Ward really wasn't on the same planet as Duhon- and Duhon isn't exactly an all-star. Ward was tough played good D, but he was as ****ty an offensive PG as you can get. He didn't put any pressure on the defense, never got into the lane and also was good for some headscratching turnovers. And he only became a good 3 pt shooter later in his career.
Duhon is an extremely smart player who does get in the lane and plays under control. I thought he'd average about 9 assists this year and it looks like he can get that done. |
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VDesai
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11/29/2008 11:30 PM
Posted by CrushAlot: Will take some time for him to pass Harper. This has only been 16 games- Harper was a huge factor in the playoffs and a clutch performer. He was never a pure PG, but was certainly a floor leader and was a smart player for the Knicks who set the tone with his toughness. |
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nyk4ever
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11/30/2008 12:21 AM
What a great signing this was. Say whatever you want about D'Antoni but the guy knows how to find PG's that fit into his system. Duhon gives you maximum 100% effort every single minute of single game that he plays in. The guy is a winner and an floor general to the fullest of the term. I would have to say he's the leading candidate for Most Improved Player in the NBA.
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DarkKnicks
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11/30/2008 5:57 AM
Posted by arkrud:Yeah, though Im repeating myself with this, I think many other PG's would be putting great numbers in this system, not to mention yesterday. But anyway, I give props to Duhon, because somehow he has impressed me and I accep I was wrong about him being mediocre (5 year career can not be ignored with a 14 games as a Knicks, but I was wrong or I catched his mediocre games with the Bulls). Still, he is not a better orchestrator nor passer than Marbury if u ask me, but he is certainly more intelligent [Edited by - DarkKnicks on 30-11-2008 12:08 PM] |
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TMS
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11/30/2008 2:48 PM
in the 2.5 seasons Derek Harper was a NY Knick he averaged 12 & 5 as a fulltime starter... Duhon's already putting up 11 & 8 while learning a new system & he doesn't have the added luxury of having a guy like Patrick Ewing to dump the ball down to in the low post.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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VDesai
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11/30/2008 6:57 PM
Posted by TMS: TMS- you realize that's why Harper's assist totals weren't very high either, right? I don't think 18 games is enough to say he was a better player for us than Harper- who was a tough leader that came right in and was a great fit for the personality of that team. Its shame we had him for only the tail end, but he was a key player when here. |
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TMS
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11/30/2008 7:05 PM
look i watched those Knicks teams just as religiously as you did i'm sure... we are free to disagree here but i personally feel that Duhon has displayed better orchestration skills as a pure PG than Harper ever did (as a Knick)... he may never be the defensive player or leader Harper was, who knows... i happen to think he's got those intangibles too... & i'm not taking away anything from Harper here when i make these comparisons btw... i realize he was a key component to the team's success, but like i said before, he had the luxury of playing alongside much better talent as well... it's easier to look good when u'r playing with a HOFer in his prime.
[Edited by - TMS on 11-30-2008 4:06 PM] After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Chris Duhon is the best pure PG we've had since Mark Jackson