Posted by oohah:
Now is your chance to admit, as actual insider Jamal Crawford made abundantly clear, that D'Antoni and Walsh have grossly mishandled this situation. As Crawford said, and this is not a floating quote: "They should have handled this before the season" - and "Marbury wasn't a distraction, he remained professional." Is Crawford a liar, or is he an idiot blueseats?
Who should I believe, Jamal Crawford or Blueseats who has a vendetta against Marbury? The choice is pretty clear.
Oohah, who's misrepresenting who? I was the one making the point the Marbury situation should have been handled before the season began. But once Dolan/Walsh stuck D'antoni with him, and Marbury came in as his usual self, demanding terms and conditions, D' was put in a position that left him virtually no uncontroversial maneuvers.
I admitted Stephon Marbury's gaffe many times already, but I don't read what he said as a direct refusal, but as stating as what he expected to be: a starter.
Right, you don't read it as a direct refusal even though Berman told us exactly how he meant it, but I'm the one who can't see past my agenda?
You on the other hand, tried to pretend like he never backed way off of those statements becuase that would hurt your portrayal of him as spawn of hell.
Talk about misrepresenting someone... I'm the one who showed both of Berman's articles to demonstrate that Steph allowed some 10 days to pass before changing his tune. How can I deny he eventually changed it if I'm the one who showed you it took him 10 days to do so?
Second, I never said that Marbury has no blame whatsoever. That is just you trying to change up my argument into something you can argue with...again. I did however say that the genesis in this trouble lies in the lap of D'Antoni and Walsh, not Marbury.
Now it's D' and Walsh? I thought you said the whole thing was on D'? And how is D' the "genesis" of the problem if Marbury is the one stating terms and conditions on the first day of camp, and the one with a history so egregious that he requires a plan to be formulated before the start of camp?
I think one needs to pull back a bit for perspective. If the season began with D' here and Marbury not would we be in this situation now? No.
If Marbury were here and D' not would we be in this situation now? Almost certainly. He would have resisted his role, fought with a teammate, took an his coach in the press, abandoned his teammates, etc, it would become a distraction and a suspension and buyout would ensue. We've seen he same machinations year after year, the only difference is that then he had dirt on Isiah and his contract was too long to buyout. But the "genesis" of the problem is always the same.
And why should I participate in a thread and restate my point -- again -- when I have made myself crystal clear to anyone who doesn't feel they have to translate everything I write into rubbish.
But you're right, the true test is whether I participate in another thread and write everything all over again. Now that is some airtight logic!
If you feel your position has been made clear, by all means let it ride. I just don't think it has if you're still putting the brunt of the blame on the coach.
I won't argue that D' has handled this in the best of possible ways, and neither would he. I just have empathy for the impossible position he was put in between Dolan/Walsh and Marbury.
But you're right, we have been through this too many times already. I may join the fray as news develops, but for the most part I'm going to try to reserve judgemnt on D' as a coach until AFTER this Marbury episode is over. It's been embarassing for all parties, including D', but I'm still more impressed with him than not.
Walsh, on the other hand, gets very mixed reviews from me. I respect the rebuild plan, I approve the trades, but the fact that Marbury and Isiah - the two faces of death - are still here is a very poor showing. Woeful, in fact.
[Edited by - blueseats on 11-30-2008 4:53 PM]
