Posted by holfresh:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by BlueSeats:

In declining order:

1. Marbury - the guys is unwantable and unworkable. Just a disaster from every angle.

2. Dolan - The guy still thinks he can get value for his money on bad deals.

3. Walsh - Ridding the organization of Marbury and Isiah should have been handled last year. Dolan is an idiot, but you have to use all your credibility and influence to put the past behind us.

4. D'antoni - The guy is stuck between a rock and a hard place. he doesn't want Marbury, but he knows he can't run 7 guys into the ground night in and night out without burnout and injuries. We finally have a coach who puts the team first but he still gets burned for it.

Somewhere in there also belong the fans and media for making this story a story. The reality is, this is simply a process the team needs to work through. It's not nearly as monumental as it's being made out to be.

Marbury is on the list certainly, but number one??...I don't think he fired the first shot here...

Did he or did he not enter training cap stating he would not come off the bench in NY?

Once again, with "culture change" as the theme of the year, Marbury tries to hold the team hostage with his personal terms and conditions, just as he has done every year, and once again the coach gets blamed instead of Marbury.

It's like deja vu all over again.

I hardly think his wanting to start has been the defining theme of this entire episode...I think he came to terms very quickly that he wouldn't start...Also, If MDA doesn't want Marbs, why even ask him to play???..

Every player "wants" to start, but only Marbury stated not starting would be a problem.

He asked him to play because with trades and injuries he's down to 7 players. If he had two Roberson's he'd play both befre Marbury, but Marbury was the only live body left, and you know, he is being paid.

Curry also stated he expects to start...

In addition to what NYK said, we also see Curry on the bench as part of the cultural revolution. Is that another big blunder by MDA?

Seesh, good thing we still have Isiah on the payroll. Lets reinstate him and get back to the 23 win glory years.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by holfresh:

These arguments presented by posters here puts people in a position to defend Marbury which is what no one wants to do here...But the undeniable recognition that MDA and Walsh is completely wrong here is just unbelievable...Who wants to defend Marbs..NO ONE!!!!..He is completely wrong here..But the fact that some of you has just gulped the MDA and Walsh kool-aid and has just completely abandoned the facts because of Marbury past behavior is quite evident...People has staked out their positions and are going to stick to it...Good reasoning need not apply here...Good luck guys..

So everyone is "comletely wrong here" but if thoe who think Marbury is the primary problem are beyond good reasoning?

You are simply ignoring good reasoning. Marbury started the season right were he left off last: having a problem accepting his role, putting himself above his coach and teammates, and reinstigating a culture everyone understood needed to change.

But he is not the problem?

My point here is the this could have all been avoided by MDA and Walsh(who plays coy)for that matter..They could have suited Marbs up for the season and showcased Zach and Craw with Marbs at the end of the bench...Meanwhile keeping their lips shut about Marb's status..Marbs didn't have to play after all...MDA didn't have to start out one of his first press conference saying that he thought the offense ran better with Craw and Nate at the point which was completely false...He was clearly taking shots at Marbs...

MDA's de-activating Marbs without a good reason after telling the man to come into camp in shape when he basically did all ask of him is clearly overlooked by you...Thinking this would not be a distraction was also clearly naive which I got into many arguments over as well..No one argues the need to change the culture but how can you say the culture is changing when MDA is using antics that LB used while he was here...The fact the MDA's actions has just sunk any residual value that Marbs may have has gone unnoticed by you..Isn't that the important thing here anyway???..To rely on Marbury and not MDA/Walsh to be the adult/smart strategist here is short sighted by everyone here including the new "Culture Changers" at MSG...

Thinking that Marbs won't blow up(which he didn't) was a risk I would not take under any circumstances..I was surprised when he accepted his minutes behind Craw at the two spot without much fanfare...I think if you were honest you would say the same...MDA and Walsh had this all wrong from the get go and yes Virginia, its a complete distraction....

Fresh, this has become a distraction. I said it was not a distraction when Marbury was deactivated. And it wasn't, until they asked him to play again and he refused. The only reason it's a distraction is that we had a team of 7 players and the 8th thinks he's above his contractual obligations to play when he's told.

What you fail to acknowledge is that Marbury has been handled differently in the past and it still blew up. To blame this on D' is silly when it's happened to every coach that reduced his role.

What you guys seem to be arguing for is a capitulation to Marbury's needs. A situation where Marbury has to be handled a certain way or things will blow up is a damnation of who exactly?

Posted by spreeeewell:

Mike"the redneck" D'Antoni.

So Marbury is a victim of the redecks...
I hope he will be...

Lil Jimmy, Truckbury and Isiah the Wise one.

The Knicks organization is because they want to have their cake and eat it too. You can't tell someone we don't want you we are going in a defferent direction then slighly suggst they should play then punish them for not playing. This situation needs to end. Period.

Let me use a hypothetical situation to explain how i see this.


Lets say you are jogging. Lets say that for whatever reason you are jogging barefoot. Lets say you step in some poop. To make things worse, lets say that you keep on running and now you have poop between your toes. Whose fault is this? Is it you for running barefoot? Is it the dog owner for not cleaning up after his dog? Is it you for not stopping and cleaning your foot? Is it the dog's fault? Seems like there are too many factors involved to make a definite case for any one of them in particular. One thing is clear- sometimes **** happens.

That's easy. Scott Layden is to blame.

Posted by Anji:

Posted by JesseDark:

The Knicks organization is because they want to have their cake and eat it too. You can't tell someone we don't want you we are going in a defferent direction then slighly suggst they should play then punish them for not playing. This situation needs to end. Period.

How is it having their cake and eating it to??? When you pay somebody 21million, you get to give that player WHAT EVER ROLE YOU WANT. If the role changes, you get to change it again when you pay the bills, period.



[Edited by - anji on 11-28-2008 9:19 PM]

What are you doing here? Shouldn't you be posting on ultimategoldenstatewarriors.com?

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