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Pharzeone
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11/27/2008  1:15 PM
Posted by subzero0:

Hahhaahah this is absolutely hilarious. The Knicks are the ones that disrespected him in front of the whole league. They are the ones who told him not to play. And on top of that they wont even respect the agreement they signed to pay him. The Knicks wouldnt even listen to the players union when they asked them to release Marbury and pay him everything he is owed because he had done nothing wrong.

The guy came in in the best shape of his life and ready to play this season. Right before the start of the season he was prepared to give it his all, said all the right things, and admitted his wrong. D'Antoni put him on th injured list! He wouldnt even play him in spot duty when it was obvious in some games that we needed him!! Now... now, when they actually see that they need him, now they beg him to play. Marbury now says to them, "No thanks". He doesnt want to play for a coach that would do that to him.

Now hey look, even I think the guy is bad for our team but I actually understand him in this situation.

Anyway, like SupremeCommander said there is a big difference between telling the guy "You're playing" and "Would you like to play?". The Knicks asked the latter.

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D'Antoni should suit up and play. He thinks he can do about anything. Someone ask Jamal what he thinks about being one of D'Antoni guys.
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11/27/2008  1:47 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by subzero0:

Hahhaahah this is absolutely hilarious. The Knicks are the ones that disrespected him in front of the whole league. They are the ones who told him not to play. And on top of that they wont even respect the agreement they signed to pay him. The Knicks wouldnt even listen to the players union when they asked them to release Marbury and pay him everything he is owed because he had done nothing wrong.

The guy came in in the best shape of his life and ready to play this season. Right before the start of the season he was prepared to give it his all, said all the right things, and admitted his wrong. D'Antoni put him on th injured list! He wouldnt even play him in spot duty when it was obvious in some games that we needed him!! Now... now, when they actually see that they need him, now they beg him to play. Marbury now says to them, "No thanks". He doesnt want to play for a coach that would do that to him.

Now hey look, even I think the guy is bad for our team but I actually understand him in this situation.

Anyway, like SupremeCommander said there is a big difference between telling the guy "You're playing" and "Would you like to play?". The Knicks asked the latter.

+1
D'Antoni should suit up and play. He thinks he can do about anything. Someone ask Jamal what he thinks about being one of D'Antoni guys.

I agree. This was handled so poorly by management I don't know how anyone could really blame Marbs, despite how easy it is.
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11/27/2008  1:49 PM
Q-Rich can leave with Marbury for all I care.
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11/27/2008  1:57 PM
Richardson needs to keep his mouth shut, he's been a disgrace to this franchise as well.
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11/27/2008  1:59 PM
real lame of Q-Rich

a week ago life was great without big bad Marbury now he is mad Steph won't suit up.
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11/27/2008  3:58 PM
So what was the reasoning behind not suiting up Marbury at the beginning of the season? This is just absurd now. The Knicks as a franchise are too addicted to drama.

Dantoni could have rehabilitated Marbury's image similar to Eddie Winslow.
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11/27/2008  4:13 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
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Dude, isnt Marbs violating his contract by not playing. If you refuse to work at any job, cant they cancel your contract or dock him some pay? How is he getting away with this?

Nobody has told him, "you're playing." What D'Antoni has said is, "Would you like to play?" Big difference, especially legally.

Very good point. Then I think D'Antoni should tell' him to play. If he doesn't then you go after him. If he does, play ONLY' if we need him to play. Now is the idea situation to play him. No matter what we do with him, he is a complete distraction to this team. This guy is soooooo going to get his when he's finally out of here. It always gets the best of them in the end and he doesn't even know about Karma. He'll pay for what he's doing now, later.

Otherwise, suspend him indefinitely.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-27-2008 4:14 PM]
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11/27/2008  4:16 PM
Posted by sebstar:

So what was the reasoning behind not suiting up Marbury at the beginning of the season? This is just absurd now. The Knicks as a franchise are too addicted to drama.

Dantoni could have rehabilitated Marbury's image similar to Eddie Winslow.

I think priority number one was to let Craw shine with no encumbrances. I never thought him and Marbury looked good together on the floor. Sure, now we're dealing with the aftermath of marginalizing Marbury, but the good news is -- he's not under contract for much longer. I rather get rid of Craw first and deal with Marbury later, then try to play both and end up with both looking bad and Craw looking unmovable.
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11/27/2008  4:17 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by sebstar:

So what was the reasoning behind not suiting up Marbury at the beginning of the season? This is just absurd now. The Knicks as a franchise are too addicted to drama.

Dantoni could have rehabilitated Marbury's image similar to Eddie Winslow.

I think priority number one was to let Craw shine with no encumbrances. I never thought him and Marbury looked good together on the floor. Sure, now we're dealing with the aftermath of marginalizing Marbury, but the good news is -- he's not under contract for much longer. I rather get rid of Craw first and deal with Marbury later, then try to play both and end up with both looking bad and Craw looking unmovable.

This is a healthy vibrant response...EVIL? I scoff at such a moniker to describe you. More like a ray of sunshine peeking in on a field of bunny rabbits. THat should be your new nick.
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11/27/2008  4:18 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:

Is this the same Qrich (along with Crawford) that, supposedly, told MDA that they didn't want Marbury to play?

I'm glad someone finally had the balls to say this...to me, now its official. But Q.Rich shouldn't have been the one to say it. He stopped being a teammate a long time ago

Weren't a lot of us saying we didn't want him to play with the Knicks anymore?
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11/27/2008  4:23 PM
You guys remember that movie 'Pacific Heights'?

My new name for Marbury is 'Marbury-heights'!

Yup' the same dude who had a lease and could torture the owners as much as he pleased. That's what this is all about. Marbury saw the movie and this is what he is doing to management. I think the brass should sit down with some NBA lawyers and come up with an escape plan.
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11/27/2008  4:26 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by sebstar:

So what was the reasoning behind not suiting up Marbury at the beginning of the season? This is just absurd now. The Knicks as a franchise are too addicted to drama.

Dantoni could have rehabilitated Marbury's image similar to Eddie Winslow.

I think priority number one was to let Craw shine with no encumbrances. I never thought him and Marbury looked good together on the floor. Sure, now we're dealing with the aftermath of marginalizing Marbury, but the good news is -- he's not under contract for much longer. I rather get rid of Craw first and deal with Marbury later, then try to play both and end up with both looking bad and Craw looking unmovable.

Wow, what a concept! sure lets blame MDA for "stabbing Marbs in the back"! How about , if marbs plays- the team will look like crap, other players will feel alienated, key idea of MDA's system will fail to materialize. MDA not playing him was a suprise to me, but i can see the reasoning of it now.

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11/27/2008  4:30 PM
Not to mention, have you guys noticed that the regulars haven't put out the same game since the Marbury-heights started to heat up again? He's a distraction plain and simple.

Once he's out of the way, this team will re-unite and start playing .500 ball again. Don't be surprised if we lose another two or three in a row for now.
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11/27/2008  4:45 PM
Posted by Uptown:

Marb is a selfish pompous A##hole who cares only about himself.

truer words were never spoken & none of us should have expected any better from that loser... the sooner he's outta NY the better off we are.

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11/27/2008  4:57 PM
This is one of the most ridiculous, embarrassing and silly situations. This is terrible for the NBA and worse for the Knicks. This was handled terribly from the start and to let it get to this point and become such an issue is alarming for the many people that thought the days of the Knicks being the laughingstock of the league were over. This is sad and nothing different from what we had with Isiah. This must somehow stop.
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Posted by 4949:
Posted by Swishfm3:

Is this the same Qrich (along with Crawford) that, supposedly, told MDA that they didn't want Marbury to play?

I'm glad someone finally had the balls to say this...to me, now its official. But Q.Rich shouldn't have been the one to say it. He stopped being a teammate a long time ago

Weren't a lot of us saying we didn't want him to play with the Knicks anymore?

I meant a player with the Knicks.
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11/27/2008  6:53 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Q-Rich can leave with Marbury for all I care.


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11/27/2008  7:12 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

This is one of the most ridiculous, embarrassing and silly situations. This is terrible for the NBA and worse for the Knicks. This was handled terribly from the start and to let it get to this point and become such an issue is alarming for the many people that thought the days of the Knicks being the laughingstock of the league were over. This is sad and nothing different from what we had with Isiah. This must somehow stop.

Marbury doesn't or in this case shouldn't be given a choice and as long as he's in uniform, he's expected to play as you outlined per team policy and league rules.


These undisclosed in the Janitor's Closet.... unconfirmed mini convos coach is having with Marbury pregame are Busch League.


After the coach has told him he isn't part of the club and won't play him in spot minute like situations, which would be the same as playing him one game and then banning him to the bench the next game doesn't need to check in with him before the game to give him options. Just as much as he explained why he isn't playing without choice the same should be done when he's suited up. Coach is doing these things without any solid sources around.....


In the Hotel Kitchen Bathroom,


Outside the team bus Port A Potty whispering Marbles choices to him while he's on the chitter,


Writing his choices on a posted note asking him to Check ....YES or Check....NO if he wants to play 30-35min and stick it back on his 7 Sec or less book laying on his MSG office desk,


Bich handle this like a grown man.


Call him and the GM together as they did when they needed to make it clear as to why he wasn't playing and let him know he's expected to play now given our team situation. Maybe even do this with a Garden Official or Players Association rep present, that way there are solid confirmed sources there.


And if I'm not mistaken didn't Marbury win his case last yr when Isiah told him to go home(UNCONFIRMED) how it was told him but he decided to go home? They docked his pay, then he filed a grievance and Knicks were left to fight it. I'm positive Marbury got his money. We know what he's about.


Did this organization not learn from this incident? He has to be handled a certain way and we're still playing games with him.


I'm annoyed how they are handling him, not the grounds if there's been a breaching.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 11-27-2008 7:14 PM]
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Posted by BlueSeats:

What he (and oohah) don't understand is that he will never, and should never, be given a "clean slate" in the NBA. There is no reason to ever presume that he will put the team first - he will always be tested. Being a teammate, let alone leader, is a constant test, of which Marbury has constantly failed.

I could have sworn just yesterday you posted that Marbury did have a clean slate and he "Shat all over it". Or was that the other Blueseats? Now, he will never get a clena slate? So why did D'Antoni even bother saying it? I know, it is okay to do anything to Marbury. Isn't that what you really feel? Or is there anything that isn't right to do even to Marbury?

I could answer you dealing with the facts on my own but I'll let the other guys in the thread who already answered it speak instead:


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Posted by SupremeCommander:

Nobody has told him, "you're playing." What D'Antoni has said is, "Would you like to play?" Big difference, especially legally.

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Posted by Swishfm3 :

Is this the same Qrich (along with Crawford) that, supposedly, told MDA that they didn't want Marbury to play?

I'm glad someone finally had the balls to say this...to me, now its official. But Q.Rich shouldn't have been the one to say it. He stopped being a teammate a long time ago


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Posted by Swishfm3 :

Why should he be suspended? Have you not been reading or seeing what MDA has been saying about Marbury this season?

Would you take a paycut? better yet, would you take a paycut with stipulations attached? Don't know if its true, but I read a while ago that not only did the Knicks offer Marbury less money on a buy out but they wanted him to agree that he will not sign with a Eastern conf team.


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Posted by Swishfm3 :

Why should he be suspended? Have you not been reading or seeing what MDA has been saying about Marbury this season?

Would you take a paycut? better yet, would you take a paycut with stipulations attached? Don't know if its true, but I read a while ago that not only did the Knicks offer Marbury less money on a buy out but they wanted him to agree that he will not sign with a Eastern conf team.

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Posted by subzero0:

Hahhaahah this is absolutely hilarious. The Knicks are the ones that disrespected him in front of the whole league. They are the ones who told him not to play. And on top of that they wont even respect the agreement they signed to pay him. The Knicks wouldnt even listen to the players union when they asked them to release Marbury and pay him everything he is owed because he had done nothing wrong.

The guy came in in the best shape of his life and ready to play this season. Right before the start of the season he was prepared to give it his all, said all the right things, and admitted his wrong. D'Antoni put him on th injured list! He wouldnt even play him in spot duty when it was obvious in some games that we needed him!! Now... now, when they actually see that they need him, now they beg him to play. Marbury now says to them, "No thanks". He doesnt want to play for a coach that would do that to him.

Now hey look, even I think the guy is bad for our team but I actually understand him in this situation.

Anyway, like SupremeCommander said there is a big difference between telling the guy "You're playing" and "Would you like to play?". The Knicks asked the latter.

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Posted by Pharzeone:

+1
D'Antoni should suit up and play. He thinks he can do about anything. Someone ask Jamal what he thinks about being one of D'Antoni guys.

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Posted by Pharzeone:

I agree. This was handled so poorly by management I don't know how anyone could really blame Marbs, despite how easy it is.

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Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Richardson needs to keep his mouth shut, he's been a disgrace to this franchise as well.

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Posted by McK1:

real lame of Q-Rich

a week ago life was great without big bad Marbury now he is mad Steph won't suit up.


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Posted by sebstar:

So what was the reasoning behind not suiting up Marbury at the beginning of the season? This is just absurd now. The Knicks as a franchise are too addicted to drama.

Dantoni could have rehabilitated Marbury's image similar to Eddie Winslow.

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Posted by GallOfFame :

Marbury doesn't or in this case shouldn't be given a choice and as long as he's in uniform, he's expected to play as you outlined per team policy and league rules.

These undisclosed in the Janitor's Closet.... unconfirmed mini convos coach is having with Marbury pregame are Busch League.

After the coach has told him he isn't part of the club and won't play him in spot minute like situations, which would be the same as playing him one game and then banning him to the bench the next game doesn't need to check in with him before the game to give him options. Just as much as he explained why he isn't playing without choice the same should be done when he's suited up. Coach is doing these things without any solid sources around.....

In the Hotel Kitchen Bathroom,

Outside the team bus Port A Potty whispering Marbles choices to him while he's on the chitter,

Writing his choices on a posted note asking him to Check ....YES or Check....NO if he wants to play 30-35min and stick it back on his 7 Sec or less book laying on his MSG office desk,

Bich handle this like a grown man.

Call him and the GM together as they did when they needed to make it clear as to why he wasn't playing and let him know he's expected to play now given our team situation. Maybe even do this with a Garden Official or Players Association rep present, that way there are solid confirmed sources there.

And if I'm not mistaken didn't Marbury win his case last yr when Isiah told him to go home(UNCONFIRMED) how it was told him but he decided to go home? They docked his pay, then he filed a grievance and Knicks were left to fight it. I'm positive Marbury got his money. We know what he's about.

Did this organization not learn from this incident? He has to be handled a certain way and we're still playing games with him.

I'm annoyed how they are handling him, not the grounds if there's been a breaching.

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oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 27-11-2008 8:49 PM]
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11/27/2008  8:22 PM
Okay, now I'll explain it to you Blueseats. Marbury does not have a choice in playing, you do understand that right? He cannot refuse. Just like Marbury said: "refusing to play is when the coach tells you to go into the game and you don't go in"

D'Antoni has positioned himself as the complete dictator of the team. D'Antoni benches Marbury or banishes Marbury at his pleasure. Marbury cannot refuse to play. D'Antoni does not have to ask him. That is a fact, whether you want to believe it or not. If Marbury is suited up and refuses to play, he is in violation of his contract and can be suspended without pay.

D'Antoni is sitting in his own mess now. Marbury did not banish himself. Marbury did not trade all the guards making it so he was needed again. D'Antoni and Walsh got themselves into this situation.

Marbury is not a nice guy. He is selfish. Having said all of that, this is not Marbury's creation. They don't want Marbury, but now all of a sudden they want him. So he has to want to play? Why is that? The rules of human feelings do not cease to exist for Marbury however much of a jerk he is. MOney doesn't change that either. He has every right to not want to play, but he has no right to refuse to play! And considering the way D'Antoni has handled Marbury, why in Sam Hill would you believe that he would let Marbury make the decision?

The Knicks have not taken disciplinary action against Marbury, why do you think that is Blueseats?

When they suspend or fine him without pay, I'll believe that Marbury "refused to play". Until then, it looks to me like the coach is trying to railroad him.

If I were D'Antoni, I wouldn't want to play Marbury after banishing him and I wouldn't trust Marbury. Would you?

And if I were Marbury, in no way would I trust D'Antoni or want to do him any kind of favors. Would you? That is a fair view, isn't it?

I really feel you are viewing this through "Marbury hate goggles". I am not trying to insult you, I want you to see this craziness for what it is: A creation of D'Antoni. It doesn't mean you have to like Marbury or anything like that. But this one isn't his mess.

P.S. I remember when we were arguing just a couple of weeks ago and you thought this would not be a distraction, and that D'Antoni had handled it wonderfully, etc. Are you ready to admit how wrong your were about that yet?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 27-11-2008 8:50 PM]
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