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martin
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11/20/2008  12:15 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TheGame:

OMG, are we back to Jeffries being the "glue" that makes all the pieces work. LOL.

Yep. LOL.

Why?

Cause Malik Rose is godawful. Other than that, yeah, Jeffries isn't a very good player and isn't the answer to any big problem but I do wonder what he can do in this system.

Being a starting Center though as many have him penciled in as? My god, how is that going to work? He's what 220 pounds? He'll be on the IR about 3 games into his stint!

Can't be any worse than Lee.
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11/20/2008  12:25 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TheGame:

OMG, are we back to Jeffries being the "glue" that makes all the pieces work. LOL.

Yep. LOL.

Why?

Cause Malik Rose is godawful. Other than that, yeah, Jeffries isn't a very good player and isn't the answer to any big problem but I do wonder what he can do in this system.

Being a starting Center though as many have him penciled in as? My god, how is that going to work? He's what 220 pounds? He'll be on the IR about 3 games into his stint!

Can't be any worse than Lee.

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Sadly, Jerome James is STILL likely our best big man defender.

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11/20/2008  12:47 PM
all the kings' horses and all the kings' men, couldn't put Jared Jeffries together again

[Edited by - supremecommander on 11-20-2008 12:47 PM]
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11/20/2008  1:26 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TheGame:

OMG, are we back to Jeffries being the "glue" that makes all the pieces work. LOL.

Yep. LOL.

Why?

Cause Malik Rose is godawful. Other than that, yeah, Jeffries isn't a very good player and isn't the answer to any big problem but I do wonder what he can do in this system.

Being a starting Center though as many have him penciled in as? My god, how is that going to work? He's what 220 pounds? He'll be on the IR about 3 games into his stint!

220? Soaking wet with bricks in his pockets, maybe.

Maybe Coach Pringles can turn him into Boris Diaw. I dunno. We'll see.


[Edited by - K22 on 2008-11-20 1:26 PM]
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11/20/2008  2:25 PM
Funny that someone who is contantly called a "glue" guy is always broken.
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11/20/2008  2:36 PM
it doesn't matter if he starts or not, really. he's one more person in d'antoni's short rotation. our team hasn't been known for its fitness the last few years, i don't want these guys running out of gas as the season wears on - not that i have big expectations as far as wins, just it would be sad if we play well and disappoint toward the end.
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11/20/2008  4:18 PM
Posted by Panos:


Jeffreis playing Center? Who could have predicted such a thing a year ago :)
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11/20/2008  5:12 PM
Posted by K22:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TheGame:

OMG, are we back to Jeffries being the "glue" that makes all the pieces work. LOL.

Yep. LOL.

Why?

Cause Malik Rose is godawful. Other than that, yeah, Jeffries isn't a very good player and isn't the answer to any big problem but I do wonder what he can do in this system.

Being a starting Center though as many have him penciled in as? My god, how is that going to work? He's what 220 pounds? He'll be on the IR about 3 games into his stint!


220? Soaking wet with bricks in his pockets, maybe.

Maybe Coach Pringles can turn him into Boris Diaw. I dunno. We'll see.


[Edited by - K22 on 2008-11-20 1:26 PM]

Height 6-11
Weight 240 lbs.



[Edited by - joec32033 on 20 November 2008 17:14]
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11/20/2008  6:53 PM
Hate to break it to you guys but Jared Jeffries is not the answer. In Jared Jeffries best year he averaged 7ppg 5rbg and 0.6bpg. He will gives us some size in the front court but by no means is he going to make a impact on low post defense. If the Knicks really want to win games this year, they must go out and get a athletic shot blocker (preferably young with upside).
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11/20/2008  7:19 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Hate to break it to you guys but Jared Jeffries is not the answer. In Jared Jeffries best year he averaged 7ppg 5rbg and 0.6bpg. He will gives us some size in the front court but by no means is he going to make a impact on low post defense. If the Knicks really want to win games this year, they must go out and get a athletic shot blocker (preferably young with upside).

He was never playing Center full time and trust me there's a difference from being asked to guard guys on the perimeter vs. being asked to anchor the back of the D and be the last line of defense and providing help defense against penetration. He'll basically be forced to make more attempts at blocking shots. I think he can at the least provide a bit more length and athleticism to the post defense for us. We need that on the floor in particular in the 4th qtr. when we'll have to get some stops. I think we can get leads, but we need a defensive presence inside to hold leads. A bit more length might just mean a few less layups per game.
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11/20/2008  7:27 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Hate to break it to you guys but Jared Jeffries is not the answer. In Jared Jeffries best year he averaged 7ppg 5rbg and 0.6bpg. He will gives us some size in the front court but by no means is he going to make a impact on low post defense. If the Knicks really want to win games this year, they must go out and get a athletic shot blocker (preferably young with upside).

He was never playing Center full time and trust me there's a difference from being asked to guard guys on the perimeter vs. being asked to anchor the back of the D and be the last line of defense and providing help defense against penetration. He'll basically be forced to make more attempts at blocking shots. I think he can at the least provide a bit more length and athleticism to the post defense for us. We need that on the floor in particular in the 4th qtr. when we'll have to get some stops. I think we can get leads, but we need a defensive presence inside to hold leads. A bit more length might just mean a few less layups per game.

somehow the thought of skinny Fishlips checking Dwight, Shaq, Amare, JO, Kaman, etc. down low is not reassuring to me.
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11/20/2008  10:38 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Hate to break it to you guys but Jared Jeffries is not the answer. In Jared Jeffries best year he averaged 7ppg 5rbg and 0.6bpg. He will gives us some size in the front court but by no means is he going to make a impact on low post defense. If the Knicks really want to win games this year, they must go out and get a athletic shot blocker (preferably young with upside).

He was never playing Center full time and trust me there's a difference from being asked to guard guys on the perimeter vs. being asked to anchor the back of the D and be the last line of defense and providing help defense against penetration. He'll basically be forced to make more attempts at blocking shots. I think he can at the least provide a bit more length and athleticism to the post defense for us. We need that on the floor in particular in the 4th qtr. when we'll have to get some stops. I think we can get leads, but we need a defensive presence inside to hold leads. A bit more length might just mean a few less layups per game.

somehow the thought of skinny Fishlips checking Dwight, Shaq, Amare, JO, Kaman, etc. down low is not reassuring to me.
Does ANYONE really guard the top guys well? It's not about that. It's about at least having a guy out there who is able to look other centers in the eye. We can't keep playing with guys who are not only short, but also don't have long arms as in Lee or can't jump as in Zach. Jared is long, athletic and mobile. He used to guard guys on the perimeter, so I know he's fast enough to guard bigs. He doesn't have to shut anyone down, just get in the way a bit more than Lee does. Guys just blow by Lee, which is weird given that he's kind of athletic.

The biggest thing Jared will do is help on penetration. He can get over quicker and when he does, he's got enough length to at least alter a few shots a game. It's easier for a Center to get into the driving lanes as opposed to when he was playing a SF. I'm not saying he's gonna be a bigtime defender, just that he can help.
There will be some games where we might only need one of two stops to get the win and that's where I think he could help. Zach and Lee aren't getting any stops so some would be an improvement, no?
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11/21/2008  1:20 AM
oh come on dude... Fishlips is not a viable option at C... Michael Strahan could use the guy to floss his teeth... we need a defensive banger down low, or at least someone who can block shots & make guys think twice before penetrating into the lane... Jefferies does neither & he's not a threat to score on the other end either... he's a scrub who should be playing minimal minutes in a minor role, not relied upon to be our starting C... u guys are setting urselves up for a huge disappointment if u think he's gonna have any significant effect on this year's team IMO... i hope he proves me wrong but somehow i don't think i'll have to eat my words on this one.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-20-2008 10:21 PM]
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11/21/2008  8:09 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Hate to break it to you guys but Jared Jeffries is not the answer. In Jared Jeffries best year he averaged 7ppg 5rbg and 0.6bpg. He will gives us some size in the front court but by no means is he going to make a impact on low post defense. If the Knicks really want to win games this year, they must go out and get a athletic shot blocker (preferably young with upside).

He was never playing Center full time and trust me there's a difference from being asked to guard guys on the perimeter vs. being asked to anchor the back of the D and be the last line of defense and providing help defense against penetration. He'll basically be forced to make more attempts at blocking shots. I think he can at the least provide a bit more length and athleticism to the post defense for us. We need that on the floor in particular in the 4th qtr. when we'll have to get some stops. I think we can get leads, but we need a defensive presence inside to hold leads. A bit more length might just mean a few less layups per game.

Athleticism? Are we talkin' Athleticism?
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11/21/2008  8:10 AM
Posted by TMS:

oh come on dude... Fishlips is not a viable option at C... Michael Strahan could use the guy to floss his teeth... we need a defensive banger down low, or at least someone who can block shots & make guys think twice before penetrating into the lane... Jefferies does neither & he's not a threat to score on the other end either... he's a scrub who should be playing minimal minutes in a minor role, not relied upon to be our starting C... u guys are setting urselves up for a huge disappointment if u think he's gonna have any significant effect on this year's team IMO... i hope he proves me wrong but somehow i don't think i'll have to eat my words on this one.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-20-2008 10:21 PM]

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11/21/2008  11:59 AM
Hey, no one is actually suggesting that Jeffries is the answer at C, but he is definitely an upgrade in terms of size and defense and lets remember that he is on the team, unlike any other defensive presence that certainly could help but would have to be brought in a trade.

Now, if this 3 way trade happens, it changes everything...
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11/21/2008  4:57 PM
let's just put it this way... i would rather have Wilson Chandler as our starting C than Fishlips.
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11/21/2008  4:59 PM
Get him healthy. Get him some minutes. And then get him the hell out of here.
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11/21/2008  5:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Get him healthy. Get him some minutes. And then get him the hell out of here.

wats up dude... good to see u back.
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11/21/2008  5:19 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

Get him healthy. Get him some minutes. And then get him the hell out of here.

wats up dude... good to see u back.

Not much man. It just might be safe for me to be a Knicks fan again.

Plus, I wanted a shot at those cufflinks.
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