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knicksbabyyeah
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11/19/2008  10:40 AM
No love for Rubio? You guys did watch the Olympics right?

Griffin is awesome though and Curry just fits with D'Antoni
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11/19/2008  11:12 AM
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

...Curry is not lottery talent...

Dunno if he's the new Nash but he's consistently very good, usually the best player on the court. I'm hard pressed to think of a college team with as little overall talent--basically level II talent, cute but second string--in the top 40. He'll need to avoid injuries and, oh, playing for the Knicks to have a long career but he's worth a lottery pick. I keep thinking he's too small, not quick enough, lucky, or just hard to evaluate at 20. Davidson lost to Oklahoma tonight, Curry outplayed but didn't dominate against Blake Griffin. Assuming Griffin is lottery material, Curry's up there too.

(Oddly, Davidson is playing WV in the MSG this season. I'm tempted. Can't be worse than your average Knicks game.)


Curry did go for 44 last night against Oklahoma -- took a bunch of shots but went 14-14 from the line which shows an ability to get to the rim and take contact.

Blake Griffin went for 25 and 21 rebounds but with 6 TO's.
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11/19/2008  11:15 AM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

...Curry is not lottery talent...

Dunno if he's the new Nash but he's consistently very good, usually the best player on the court. I'm hard pressed to think of a college team with as little overall talent--basically level II talent, cute but second string--in the top 40. He'll need to avoid injuries and, oh, playing for the Knicks to have a long career but he's worth a lottery pick. I keep thinking he's too small, not quick enough, lucky, or just hard to evaluate at 20. Davidson lost to Oklahoma tonight, Curry outplayed but didn't dominate against Blake Griffin. Assuming Griffin is lottery material, Curry's up there too.

(Oddly, Davidson is playing WV in the MSG this season. I'm tempted. Can't be worse than your average Knicks game.)


Curry did go for 44 last night against Oklahoma -- took a bunch of shots but went 14-14 from the line which shows an ability to get to the rim and take contact.

Blake Griffin went for 25 and 21 rebounds but with 6 TO's.

DeRozan goes for 7 pts (2-6 shooting), 6 rebounds, 0 assists and 5 TOs in 32 minutes against New Mexico St. Not a great first impression.

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11/19/2008  11:40 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Ira:

The guys I want are
1 Rubio
2 Mullens
3 DeRozan
4 Aminu

You just saw the best big player and guard playing in the same game tonight. Blake Griffin is miles ahead of anyone for the first pick in the draft and if Stephon Curry played PG with guys who were on his talent level--watch out. On physical attributes alone Mullens is in there but he has to prove game but he should. I don't think it's much of a discussion who the top 5 likely are.

Stephen Curry is a very interesting choice. He looks like he will make the switch to pg successfully and his shooting is unconscious. Also, he'd be a great fit for our system.
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11/19/2008  12:35 PM
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Not if we keep winning in a rebuilding year!!??

For the way things have worked out for us in the past, I don't care if they tank or not. Last year the Bulls won #1 with what? 30 something wins? We won 23 and we drafted 6th and are worried with Danillo.

Yeah, as long as we don't make the playoffs, we have a shot. The team is now losing a little more, which is good for draft purposes. A 35 win season would show good improvement but still give us a decent draft pick.
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11/19/2008  12:49 PM
...extremely intelligent and vastly under rated...

It's going to take the right coach, the right team, and luck for Curry to make it beyond the bench in the NBA. (Of course, doh, coach/team/luck applies to nearly all players.)

I agree, briggs, Curry's intelligence is the difference between his game and a couple dozen other NCAA players with similar physical talents. Maybe Nash is the right comparison. I hate to kill a discussion with the mention of his name but the player he reminds me of most--when he quickly adapts to a defense, weaves through five bigger players in the paint, coldly nails a three, grabs a rebound over a couple taller players, gets a steal his team has to have, or makes a pass that unexpectedly lands in a teammate's hands--is early, skinny, Jordon. Nah, he doesn't have the physical skills but he does have an uncanny knack of doing _everything_ well and seeing all ten players at once.

I'm not sure he's vastly underrated anymore but, yeah, dismissing him based on his size or his school is silly. (I doubt fishmike has seen him play if he compares him to Reddick. Curry's a more complex player and his upside is higher than Reddick's.)

That said, I can't imagine Curry on the Knicks. And I'd hate to curse him with a Knick's draft pick.
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11/19/2008  12:58 PM
Posted by TMS:

Brandon Jennings, Demar Derozan, BJ Mullens, Hasheem Thabeet, Blake Griffin will all likely be gone in the top 10... if the Knicks keeps playing this way they won't end up w/any of those guys... i think it would be smart to trade for another 1st rounder so we have the option of trading up if we have to... the worst that can happen is we end up w/a guy like Patrick Patterson & another mid 1st round talent, which isn't such a bad alternative... but i think it's imperative we get a guy w/star quality written all over him, & that means we need to have a high lottery pick.

This is a great strategy. We should try to get another 1st rounder and package them to move up.
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11/19/2008  1:41 PM
I wanted griffin last yr, but he pulled out. he's nasty. and w/that body at 6'10 in our system, he can play center.[wow, we have a 'system'] I would say he's carlos boozer light, but there's nothing light about him. infact boozer might look up to him. oh well pipe dream. anyway, chase is overrated, curry will disappear in the nba, and rubio is pistol pete 2.
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11/19/2008  1:53 PM
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

Curry's a more complex player and his upside is higher than Reddick's.)
I've watched Curry. He's a nice player but hardly some kind of can't miss talent. for example, what makes him any better, or for that matter, as good as, Ben Gordon?

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11/19/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:

No love for Rubio? You guys did watch the Olympics right?

Griffin is awesome though and Curry just fits with D'Antoni

No one is pining for Rubio because he's not listed on the mock draft sites right now. There was some rumors that he couldn't/wouldn't declare for this draft. But I'm with you, if he's available, he's at the top of the list.
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11/19/2008  3:28 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

Curry's a more complex player and his upside is higher than Reddick's.)
I've watched Curry. He's a nice player but hardly some kind of can't miss talent. for example, what makes him any better, or for that matter, as good as, Ben Gordon?

oohah

I think that's a fair comparison, Curry to Gordon. I think Curry is a better prospect than Gorodon though for two reasons. First, I think Curry's stroke is sweeter than the overwhelming majority of NBA players, so I do think he is a better shooter than Gordon. And the reason curry stayed in school instead of cashing in after last year's tournament was so he could learn to play the point guard position. So when Curry comes into the league, he'll be more able to play point guard and I think he's got a better shot.
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11/19/2008  3:39 PM
...what makes him any better, or for that matter, as good as, Ben Gordon?...

Not much. Gordon's a good player, certainly worth a lottery pick.

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11/19/2008  4:01 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

Curry's a more complex player and his upside is higher than Reddick's.)
I've watched Curry. He's a nice player but hardly some kind of can't miss talent. for example, what makes him any better, or for that matter, as good as, Ben Gordon?

oohah

I think that's a fair comparison, Curry to Gordon. I think Curry is a better prospect than Gorodon though for two reasons. First, I think Curry's stroke is sweeter than the overwhelming majority of NBA players, so I do think he is a better shooter than Gordon. And the reason curry stayed in school instead of cashing in after last year's tournament was so he could learn to play the point guard position. So when Curry comes into the league, he'll be more able to play point guard and I think he's got a better shot.

BG was pick 3 in the draft. BG is really a pure 2. Let the season go by. I think his stock will rise in NBA standards as he shows he can play a nice PG yet has great scoring ability as well. Guys like JJ reddick Eddie House and even BG for the most part are catch and shoot players[BG does have dribble drive ability]. Curry handled the ball last night 90% of the time he was on the court being hounded by double teams and threw one bad pass. Just imagine him playing PG and having great spot up shooters and solid interior players. He kept his dribble going as long as he could on almost every play. What makes a good PG? Ball handling vision intelligence leadership. He has all of those but adds a high scoring output ability that opposition defenses have to put a lot of emphasis on. It's all in the beauty of the beholder and the vision of the coach/team. I would NOT draft him to play 2 guard.
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11/19/2008  4:05 PM
Saw about 80% of the Davidson/Oklahoma game last night and here's what I came away with:

Stephen Curry
- My overall opinion hasn't changed that much - he's very talented but in my eyes he's clearly a scoring off-guard at the next level.
- Good enough handle to bring the ball up and play some point (he's gonna be asked to handle the ball a lot more this year now that Jason Richards isn't around unless the coach's son gives him a break here and there), but he's hardly a classic PG. He's much better and much more comfortable and effective playing off the ball and looking to get his own offense. The guy doing the color last night said the same thing.
- Great shooter & pretty clutch - even forced some shots that wound up dropping last night, a product of him being the best player on his team by far - he's gotta take those shots. His teammates were passing up stuff last night just to get him the ball in the end. Almost single handedly brought his team back from the dead last night.
- Doesn't really go all the way to the rim to finish, usually pulling up for floaters or bankers the same way Crawford does when he decides to take it in close, though he did find his way to the line a lot last night.
- Again, does have a noticibly smooth handle and doesn't appear to get too tired or winded or even rattled down the stretch at all. Had some quick one-handed passes that went awry but overall doesn't appear to be a high turnover guy. All pluses.
- Lack of height could be a problem in the NBA playing the 2 (had one pullup jumper blocked down the stretch - to his credit, he came right back to stick his next shot, a deep 3).
- nbadraft.net compares him to Steve Kerr/Juan Dixon but he's more than that. I definitely don't see the overall Steve Nash package, but to me he's more of a combination of guys like Daniel Gibson/John Starks/Jason Terry/Vernon Maxwell - now for the Knicks, who could pick anywhere from 5-15 depending how this season goes, is he enough or the best value for us considering we may have gotten Gallo wrong (jury still out) and we don't have a pick the following year? Is he enough talent to justify taking him around 5 outright? And say we're closer to 15 and entertain trading up, is he a guy you'd trade up to get? I'm not sure.

Blake Griffin
- Monster game last night - almost 20/20.
- Strong and quick for a guy that size. Commentator called him the next Amare at one point and he could be right.
- Very strong handle for a guy that big.
- Excellent touch at the FT line.
- I'd like to see him develop his jumper a little more and some more moves around the rim but he's the real deal in ever phase of the game. Only minor critique - He was actually passing up postup opportunites when Davidson was making its big run toward the end that surprised me a little. Needs to maintain max. aggresive play throughout the whole game.

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Keep an eye on a couple of other stand-out Sooners this season - freshman PG Willie Warren and PF Taylor Griffin, Blake's brother. Warren, before he got himself in some foul trouble last night was very impressive. Routinely broke down the defense with his quickness for either crisp passes or scores. Might be right up there with the better freshman PGs and combos. out there (Jennings, Jrue Holiday). Right now he reminds me a lot of Jonny Flynn only bigger. And Taylor Griffin, while not his brother, possesses a lot of the same qualities. He's gotta be as big as Blake (somewhere near 6'9", 250 lb.) and has a very similar skill set - he plays hard, can move well, has some ups, can block some shots/rebound and can also surprisingly handle the ball quite well. He could be a nice value/discount version of brother Blake for some team toward the end of the first round next summer.


[Edited by - finestrg on 11-19-2008 4:28 PM]
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11/19/2008  4:41 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Blake Griffin is an absolute beast and you guys want Patrick Patterson? SMH typical Knick fans

just dealing in reality dude... of course i'd rather have guys like Jennings, Griffin, Derozan, etc... i don't see us getting a top 5 pick tho in this year's draft unless we start dumping some contracts & accumulating assets to move up in the draft... so u gotta look at kids like Patrick Patterson who we could probably pick up in the mid 1st round who can come in & fill a needed role... we should always be looking to trading up for better positioning obviously, i didn't think that needed to be said.
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11/19/2008  5:52 PM
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

...what makes him any better, or for that matter, as good as, Ben Gordon?...

Not much. Gordon's a good player, certainly worth a lottery pick.

My point is that Gordon was a dominant player in one of the toughest conferences on one of the top 3 teams in college basketball, and he had the pro physique and athletic ability too. And because of Gordon's size and game he is a very good bench player in the NBA up to this point in his career. He is not a star by any means.

I don't see that Curry has a better handle or shot than Gordon, and certainly has he less explosive athletic ability and less of a pro-level body than Ben Gordon did in college.

However, you never know how a guy adapts at the next level. But nothing I have seen from Curry makes me think that he will be more than a shooting specialist at the pro level. Eddie House was a dominant offensive player in college. The list goes on...

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11/19/2008  6:56 PM
blake griffin is can't miss.

the questions with curry will continue throughout the season and until he's in the NBA as to whether he's big enough and fast enough. dude has lots of skills though, in d'antoni's system (which has been playing duhon and nate together a lot, so he could play 1 or 2 for us), i think he'd be a star.

i think rubio is too young to come out this year. need to be 19 by draft day and i don't believe he will.

how about patty mills? speaking of international studs, mills was great in the olympics for australia. rubio has a lot of intangibles but mills is as fast as they come, he was giving chris paul fits. i'd love to see him running d'antoni's O as well.
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11/19/2008  7:09 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by NumberTwoPencil:

...what makes him any better, or for that matter, as good as, Ben Gordon?...

Not much. Gordon's a good player, certainly worth a lottery pick.

My point is that Gordon was a dominant player in one of the toughest conferences on one of the top 3 teams in college basketball, and he had the pro physique and athletic ability too. And because of Gordon's size and game he is a very good bench player in the NBA up to this point in his career. He is not a star by any means.

I don't see that Curry has a better handle or shot than Gordon, and certainly has he less explosive athletic ability and less of a pro-level body than Ben Gordon did in college.

However, you never know how a guy adapts at the next level. But nothing I have seen from Curry makes me think that he will be more than a shooting specialist at the pro level. Eddie House was a dominant offensive player in college. The list goes on...

oohah

If Im picking 9-14 and Stephon Curry is there--I am taking him AS my future PG

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 11-19-2008 7:10 PM]
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11/19/2008  7:15 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

If Im picking 9-14 and Stephon Curry is there--I am taking him AS my future PG

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 11-19-2008 7:10 PM]

does that officially count as your pick or should we wait til the day of the draft?
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11/19/2008  7:25 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


If Im picking 9-14 and Stephon Curry is there--I am taking him AS my future PG

What makes Curry a better prospect, or even nearly as good a prospect as Kirk Hinrich was?

Curry reminds me more of Salim Stoudamire.

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