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sebstar
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11/17/2008  1:28 PM
where are all the lame asses who were crying because we didnt give up Zach for Mike Dunleavy's old flip flops?

All going according to plan, but much faster than anyone could have anticipated. If you want Zach, GM's need to man up and send legit assets back in addition to giving us cap relief for '10. The way it should be.
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11/17/2008  1:42 PM
Posted by sebstar:

where are all the lame asses who were crying because we didnt give up Zach for Mike Dunleavy's old flip flops?

All going according to plan, but much faster than anyone could have anticipated. If you want Zach, GM's need to man up and send legit assets back in addition to giving us cap relief for '10. The way it should be.

Not really, the Z-Bo trade talked about was a salary dump to help Walsh with his 2010 plans. Now on surface any deal talked about will result with salary coming back and now you have to make sure it is a contract that expires before 2010 which is unlikely because as it stand you can't make this move because you have a 15 man roster. Camby, Mobley and Thomas contracts don't make up to Z-Bo so you are already in trouble.
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11/17/2008  1:46 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I'd do this trade.

The Clippers are not gonna give us all their youth though.

Eric Gordon, Cutino Mobley and Tim Thomas works under the cap. Mobley and Thomas expire in 2010 and D'Antoni likes Thomas.

Buy out Mobley and he can re-sign with the Clips.

I need more than Eric Gordon. Getting ending contracts is not a big thing right now--I dont consider it an asset anymore with the production of Randolph. Either I keep him or someone gives me the same deal the Mavs got for J kidd---2 young assets a 2009 draft pick and a contract that ends in 2009. Nothing less because Im altering my season. If we added Gordon and a healthy Curry and Jefferies I think we can get right back to being a competitive ball club while putting us in better long term position.
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11/17/2008  2:00 PM
thats the bar ^

Someone of Devin Harris caliber, a pick and expiring deal.

Or Baron Davis
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11/17/2008  2:05 PM
That's too lofty to expect. Mavs looking to win a championship last year with Kidd (they were woefully mistaken). Clips probably looking to save $$.
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11/17/2008  2:23 PM
Briggy, you love Kaman!!!!!Remember? Ok, he is not Rodney White, but bring him in allows us to trade DLee?

Dump Zbo, he is not worth two no 1's! Yeah, take Jordan and let them have Zdump.
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11/17/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by purple012870:

That's too lofty to expect. Mavs looking to win a championship last year with Kidd (they were woefully mistaken). Clips probably looking to save $$.

Thank You! Big Difference in the price a team is willing to pay if they think that player will put them over the edge and to the next level.

Where are the clippers going? And where do they think Randolph gets them?
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11/17/2008  2:45 PM
I'd like to get Kaman and would do it in the right deal for Zach. We need a guy who can clog the middle and pick up players who penetrate. Kaman's not a star, but he's an above average big man.

I'd try something like purple suggested or just Zach and Roberson for Kaman and Mobley.
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11/17/2008  2:48 PM
ZDump? The dude is proving he is worth his salary.

2010 is important to be able to play Monopoly with the class but I say I like what I see out this group.....Knicks gotta remain patient and only look to improve what D'antoni is doing.

So my stance is not to just "get rid" of Z-bo. If the Knicks can improve the club do it but I'm not into trading this guy for nothing. Zach since day one has been a model citezen and has said all the right things and has played hard from day one. Even now the dude is just playing his ass off and not saying a word. Its like he's not totally dominating. He acts like he's just a regular role player. He's just as much a good team player as anyone on the Knicks......if anything the Knicks need to get Z-bo some help!!!
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11/17/2008  2:52 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by sebstar:

where are all the lame asses who were crying because we didnt give up Zach for Mike Dunleavy's old flip flops?

All going according to plan, but much faster than anyone could have anticipated. If you want Zach, GM's need to man up and send legit assets back in addition to giving us cap relief for '10. The way it should be.

Not really, the Z-Bo trade talked about was a salary dump to help Walsh with his 2010 plans. Now on surface any deal talked about will result with salary coming back and now you have to make sure it is a contract that expires before 2010 which is unlikely because as it stand you can't make this move because you have a 15 man roster. Camby, Mobley and Thomas contracts don't make up to Z-Bo so you are already in trouble.

all I'm saying is that if we are looking to move Zach we have much more leverage. Getting back a good young piece or a draft pick is instrumental in the development of the franchise. Players win titles, not cap space. We're not going to hear any more Evans/16 pick for Zach/6...i.e, teams are doing us a favor by taking him off our hands. He's becoming a commodity.
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11/17/2008  3:16 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I'd do this trade.

The Clippers are not gonna give us all their youth though.

Eric Gordon, Cutino Mobley and Tim Thomas works under the cap. Mobley and Thomas expire in 2010 and D'Antoni likes Thomas.

Buy out Mobley and he can re-sign with the Clips.

Not impressed. That's Zach for Gordon.
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11/17/2008  3:20 PM
I don't see them doing Gordon, Jordan, and a future #1.
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11/17/2008  3:42 PM
I don't think Randolph's Value rose that much. I'd trade him for a contract that expires sooner and a first round pick.
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11/17/2008  3:46 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph's Value rose that much. I'd trade him for a contract that expires sooner and a first round pick.

Dog, Randolph is a 20/10 machine that is still in his prime.
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11/17/2008  3:56 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph's Value rose that much. I'd trade him for a contract that expires sooner and a first round pick.

agreed, in another system does randolph revert to his old bad habits? is it only this system that makes him look good? i don't think his value has gone up that much either.
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11/17/2008  4:13 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph's Value rose that much. I'd trade him for a contract that expires sooner and a first round pick.

agreed, in another system does randolph revert to his old bad habits? is it only this system that makes him look good? i don't think his value has gone up that much either.

Why does it matter what he would do in another system?, he is in this system and he is doing very well, putting up his usual high numbers, therefor his value is high, so if he is traded to another team, and we get what we want, who cares what he does some where else. Why worry what another team has to deal with after acquiring him, it's their problem, not ours.
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11/17/2008  4:17 PM
Where exactly is your source Briggs? I don't see this on any newspaper website. Is Andrew Bynum giving you this info?
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11/17/2008  4:22 PM
Posted by Hoopsmeister:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by SlimPack:

I don't think Randolph's Value rose that much. I'd trade him for a contract that expires sooner and a first round pick.

agreed, in another system does randolph revert to his old bad habits? is it only this system that makes him look good? i don't think his value has gone up that much either.

Why does it matter what he would do in another system?, he is in this system and he is doing very well, putting up his usual high numbers, therefor his value is high, so if he is traded to another team, and we get what we want, who cares what he does some where else. Why worry what another team has to deal with after acquiring him, it's their problem, not ours.

For some reason people take joy in laughable pessimism and myopia concerning the Knicks. Whats strange is how that jaundice eye is rarely trained on players for other teams and other organizations as a whole.

Trust, if Walsh had traded away Zach for nothing, only to watch Zach emerge as a productive on-court leader for another team, UK wouldnt have enough bandwidth to handle all the posters who would rush in here ripping Walsh to shreds. UK would be bulging with hate. But since he's doing it for the Knicks all some can do is yawn, even when its clear that his stock is rising around the league.
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11/17/2008  4:29 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Where exactly is your source Briggs? I don't see this on any newspaper website. Is Andrew Bynum giving you this info?

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11/17/2008  4:33 PM
I thought RealGM were idiots, according to Briggs. And hoopshype is hardly reliable but they do quote the Bergen Record so I guess we can take it with a grain of salt.

I don't think the Clippers would want to add more salary to a team that clearly sucks right now. It wouldn't make much sense.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 11-17-2008 4:34 PM]
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