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11/15/2008  1:31 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BasketballJones:
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To me this suggests that basketball just isn't that important to Marbury any more.

As I understand it, the deal offered is that the Knicks will pay the difference between Marbury's current salary and whatever he would get with a new team. He would still get the same amount of money, and he would get to play basketball.

Or is it true that no other team would sign him?

If I were a professional basketball player with a limited number of years in which to pursue my playing career, I think I'd want to be playing.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-15-2008 12:56]

That makes no sense. Why should he take less from the Knicks if he can still sign somewhere else and get more. Haven't you read the papers the economy's bad. Make sure you get all money on the table before leaving a room. Hell everyone else does it. I guarantee people on this board who have been terminated haven't left any money on the table in those exit interviews from any servance packages.

Well, I don't know what the end-game will be, but presumably the Knicks can just pay Marbury and let him sit on the bench. In this Scenario, Marbury gets $ 21.9 million for doing nothing. Awesome.

Or, Marbury and the Knicks can come to an agreement - Marbury signs with some other team for $ 4 million and the Knicks pay him 17.9 million. Marbury gets $ 21.9 million and gets to play basketball.

If Marbury doesn't want to play basketball, then it makes sense for him to take deal #1. (I'd prefer this option really because it'll make an interesting side-show this season.)

Or Marbury can get his $21.9 million when the Knicks waive him and get the $4 million from another team like players around the league and the union are suggesting. You don't want him waive him. It's that simple.

The Knicks have no reason to accept that. They are still paying him so they aren't violating any law. If the Knicks have to pay the whole contract, why waive him? Let him stay on the bench if that's the best option. At some point Marbury will re-think the situation. If he doesn't, you lose nothing.
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11/15/2008  1:34 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Like I said before, Walsh is the one calling these meetings from everything I read, not Marbury. One party appears content while the other party doesn't. You don't have to be a detective to know which party isn't content.

Obviously Walsh would want this situation resolved, but he is a business man so he knows he want's to negotiate. But if Marbury keeps his stance and Walsh, who we know doesn't believe in buying out players, has nothing to gain, things will remain the same. Walsh has one thing in his favor: he is patient.
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11/15/2008  1:39 PM
I think that's the point but it seems to be bothering the Knicks or they wouldn't keep calling him to buy-out meetings. Fourth meeting since the start of the season. What Walsh didn't get his message in the first three. Knicks can't make trades because they have a full 15 man roster, they don't want to cut James who by the way already said he wouldn't take a buy-out and they won't cut Curry. Their inability to make trades or roster moves can't be sitting well with Walsh.

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11/15/2008  1:47 PM
I know Walsh is playing his cards to get this resolved, but Marbury is moving too. Calling the Union, getting a lawyer says he isn't content with the situation either.

As Eny said, if they are doing it with James, they can certainly do it with Marbury. Just pay him for sitting there.
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11/15/2008  1:54 PM
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I know Walsh is playing his cards to get this resolved, but Marbury is moving too. Calling the Union, getting a lawyer says he isn't content with the situation either.

As Eny said, if they are doing it with James, they can certainly do it with Marbury. Just pay him for sitting there.

From my understanding Billy Hunter wasn't call by Marbury. Billy Hunter injected himself because he didn't care for the Knicks approach to the matter. Marbury both the lawyers in because maybe he thought that Walsh didn't understand him the last three times. A lawyer is good for those sort of things. As far as this season goes "John Doe has the upper hand."
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11/15/2008  1:54 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Like I said before, Walsh is the one calling these meetings from everything I read, not Marbury. One party appears content while the other party doesn't. You don't have to be a detective to know which party isn't content.

"It is worth noting that the Knicks didn't call the meeting with Marbury. He called it, just as he asked for Mike D'Antoni's advice on the situation last Friday in Washington."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spberger155927944nov15,0,756706.column?track=rss
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11/15/2008  2:03 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Like I said before, Walsh is the one calling these meetings from everything I read, not Marbury. One party appears content while the other party doesn't. You don't have to be a detective to know which party isn't content.

"It is worth noting that the Knicks didn't call the meeting with Marbury. He called it, just as he asked for Mike D'Antoni's advice on the situation last Friday in Washington."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spberger155927944nov15,0,756706.column?track=rss

That could be but it's funny how Berger didn't attribute his quotes to anyone. The person... or he just use quotation marks without a source. Let's see how it will play out because it is entertaining I must say.
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11/15/2008  2:07 PM
Unless Marbury is serious about Europe he is only hurting himself here. His chances of getting a decent contract in the NBA next year without playing this year are not strong. He should take 19 mil, play for San Antonio and make himself relevant again.
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11/15/2008  2:09 PM
From Berman

The conversation - which included Players Association attorney Hal Biagas - involved finally bringing an end to the prolonged standoff between Walsh and Marbury, who acts as his own agent. Marbury has yet to suit up for a game this year, and he is due $21.9 million this season, the final year of his contract.

A source said Walsh wants to have a say in where Marbury winds up, presumably not with a conference rival.

Let the journalist fight this one out.
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11/15/2008  4:21 PM
Could a buyout be close?

from the Bergen record
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11/15/2008  5:21 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

if Jerome James can sit on the bench and never play a game than why cant Marbs?

because Turd actually enjoys sitting on the bench & collecting money for doing nothing.
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11/15/2008  7:08 PM
I see no reason to pay a man 22M to sit on the bench in a suit and be a constant distraction hoping at some point he will "give in" and accept a few million less. He clearly won't.

Therefore we are going to pay him 22M no matter what.

So why pay him to stay around and be nothing but a distraction?

Why not pay him what you are already going to have to pay him - but to do it ELSEWHERE? Closing the book on this insanity?

Hey, his contract says it's his, so I don't blame him for wanting it especially now how the Knicks are trying to stonewall him.

The Knicks are treating an impossible situation in the worst way. Quite unprofessional for a franchise that claims to have hired men to bring respectability back.

There is no winning this. There is no point in punishing Marbury like this.

I'm thinking that since Marbury torched Isiah in the trial - which cost Dolan a lot of cash - that maybe this is Dolan's doing as much as Walsh's.

This thing is just insane and stupid no matter how you slice it. Waive the son of a bitch already so we can move on. He is NOT going to blink and he's so insane he doesn't seem to feel punished so there goes that as well.

Knicks have nothing to gain by doing this. Nothing. Dolan is a bum for not just allowing but probably applauding doing this to Marbury.

It's stupid...
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11/15/2008  7:31 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

I see no reason to pay a man 22M to sit on the bench in a suit and be a constant distraction hoping at some point he will "give in" and accept a few million less. He clearly won't.

Therefore we are going to pay him 22M no matter what.

So why pay him to stay around and be nothing but a distraction?

Why not pay him what you are already going to have to pay him - but to do it ELSEWHERE? Closing the book on this insanity?

Hey, his contract says it's his, so I don't blame him for wanting it especially now how the Knicks are trying to stonewall him.

The Knicks are treating an impossible situation in the worst way. Quite unprofessional for a franchise that claims to have hired men to bring respectability back.

There is no winning this. There is no point in punishing Marbury like this.

I'm thinking that since Marbury torched Isiah in the trial - which cost Dolan a lot of cash - that maybe this is Dolan's doing as much as Walsh's.

This thing is just insane and stupid no matter how you slice it. Waive the son of a bitch already so we can move on. He is NOT going to blink and he's so insane he doesn't seem to feel punished so there goes that as well.

Knicks have nothing to gain by doing this. Nothing. Dolan is a bum for not just allowing but probably applauding doing this to Marbury.

It's stupid...

My practical, pragmatic side is inclined to agree... he'll likely only cause grief.

But my vengeful, spiteful side is quite content, because he's distracting his way out of an MLE type contract and I can't see many good teams offering him much more than the veteran minimum. And in a weird way, he's getting this team to strengthn his bonds, because it's pretty clear neither the coach nor GM is willing to deal with his BS. So if it can happen to the team's best talent, it can happen to anyone.
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11/15/2008  7:45 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

I see no reason to pay a man 22M to sit on the bench in a suit and be a constant distraction hoping at some point he will "give in" and accept a few million less. He clearly won't.

Therefore we are going to pay him 22M no matter what.

So why pay him to stay around and be nothing but a distraction?

Why not pay him what you are already going to have to pay him - but to do it ELSEWHERE? Closing the book on this insanity?

Hey, his contract says it's his, so I don't blame him for wanting it especially now how the Knicks are trying to stonewall him.

The Knicks are treating an impossible situation in the worst way. Quite unprofessional for a franchise that claims to have hired men to bring respectability back.

There is no winning this. There is no point in punishing Marbury like this.

I'm thinking that since Marbury torched Isiah in the trial - which cost Dolan a lot of cash - that maybe this is Dolan's doing as much as Walsh's.

This thing is just insane and stupid no matter how you slice it. Waive the son of a bitch already so we can move on. He is NOT going to blink and he's so insane he doesn't seem to feel punished so there goes that as well.

Knicks have nothing to gain by doing this. Nothing. Dolan is a bum for not just allowing but probably applauding doing this to Marbury.

It's stupid...

i agree w/u, it's stupid... however it's Dolan who refuses to buy him out at full value, so consider the source.
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11/15/2008  7:57 PM
Look, the Knicks have every right to seek a buyout for a few mil less. I want Steph gone so we can move on, but I fully support Walsh making Steph agree to a reduced payout or no deal. Steph has no leverage!!!! He's being paid and if he wants to waste a full season of what is one of his last years to play ball, then so be it. He's not gonna lose anything significant. We all know that his new team will pay him the difference in money.

As for him being a distraction, he's not a distraction to the rest of the players. He's a non factor. They've already moved on and are enjoying playing BB without him. So we can keep this going all season if he wants to. No one is bigger than the team and it's sad that we have this guy keeping the old days alive with his antics.
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11/16/2008  12:46 PM
If Marbury doesn't accept a buyout, it's just more proof he's selfish. As BBJ said, he's not making any less money if the Knicks keep him than if they release him and he signs with another team.

The reality is, when you're making $21 million, you certainly have a lot more leeway to take a paycut for the betterment of your career that you do making what most people make. With this move, Marbury is saying, "Money is more important than career". But, then we already knew Marbury's career wasn't important to him, so this isn't particularly shocking.

No fault to Walsh for this, IMHO. Marbury has been a cancer and an ass, so I'm totally fine with making him sweat until he behaves. If he goes an entire season without playing, because he's an ass, then that's totally Marbury's call, and most teams will see it that way, as well.
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11/16/2008  12:50 PM
Posted by Solace:

If Marbury doesn't accept a buyout, it's just more proof he's selfish. As BBJ said, he's not making any less money if the Knicks keep him than if they release him and he signs with another team.

The reality is, when you're making $21 million, you certainly have a lot more leeway to take a paycut for the betterment of your career that you do making what most people make. With this move, Marbury is saying, "Money is more important than career". But, then we already knew Marbury's career wasn't important to him, so this isn't particularly shocking.

No fault to Walsh for this, IMHO. Marbury has been a cancer and an ass, so I'm totally fine with making him sweat until he behaves. If he goes an entire season without playing, because he's an ass, then that's totally Marbury's call, and most teams will see it that way, as well.

I think it's only true if he gets someone to sign him for the difference. Leaving money on the table wothout the guarantee that another team is going to offer the defference doesn't make sense.
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11/16/2008  12:59 PM
The Knicks should just send him home. You don't sit a star caliber player on your bench all season. It just isn't done. I would say to him, we will buy you out for $18 million. When you are willing to accept that let us know and we will let you go where you want to go. Otherwise, stay home.

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Posted by TheGame:

The Knicks should just send him home. You don't sit a star caliber player on your bench all season. It just isn't done. I would say to him, we will buy you out for $18 million. When you are willing to accept that let us know and we will let you go where you want to go. Otherwise, stay home.

I think that would be better than what they are doing now. I would add the caveat that your are free to negotiate with other teams. Theidea that they don't want to send him to someone in their division just prolongs this circus.
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11/16/2008  3:19 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

I see no reason to pay a man 22M to sit on the bench in a suit and be a constant distraction hoping at some point he will "give in" and accept a few million less. He clearly won't.

Therefore we are going to pay him 22M no matter what.

So why pay him to stay around and be nothing but a distraction?

Why not pay him what you are already going to have to pay him - but to do it ELSEWHERE? Closing the book on this insanity?

Hey, his contract says it's his, so I don't blame him for wanting it especially now how the Knicks are trying to stonewall him.

The Knicks are treating an impossible situation in the worst way. Quite unprofessional for a franchise that claims to have hired men to bring respectability back.

There is no winning this. There is no point in punishing Marbury like this.

I'm thinking that since Marbury torched Isiah in the trial - which cost Dolan a lot of cash - that maybe this is Dolan's doing as much as Walsh's.

This thing is just insane and stupid no matter how you slice it. Waive the son of a bitch already so we can move on. He is NOT going to blink and he's so insane he doesn't seem to feel punished so there goes that as well.

Knicks have nothing to gain by doing this. Nothing. Dolan is a bum for not just allowing but probably applauding doing this to Marbury.

It's stupid...

what's the distraction? The only "distraction" is Berman and the rest of the media who keep bringing it up. MDA and Walsh have effectively shut Marbury up. The team is gelling. And playing like a unit.

From the team's perspective, why should they let Marbury have his way one more time?
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