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Swishfm3
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11/13/2008  12:22 PM
Posted by kam77:
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(I, for one, believe the Knicks could have beaten the Spurs if Marbury with in the rotation)



CUZ the Knicks NEVER dropped a game we should've won when Marbury was starting, right? Come on man.

Get out of your shell and look at the bigger picture.

Put all your hate aside. Forget what you've been reading about Marbury in the newspaper and honestly tell me that this team will not benefit from having Marbury on the floor under this offense.
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11/13/2008  12:23 PM
Guys, I just wanted to say thank you. I started this thread, and I never start threads because I just like to read what people are thinking. I am relieved to see the Knicks fans in here really get it. Im not a huge fan of Marbury being on our team and a distraction, but I get it. To hear he can help us is a joke, and to the one person that said he needs to be showcased you have to be kidding me. He is a long time vet in this league, they all know what he can do, and no one wants him. Playing or being on the bench will not change his value.

Also, to the point that we would have won the spurs game with Marbury is another joke. I guarantee if the Knicks played Memphis last night with Marbury it would not have been the blow out that it was.

We are playing as a team and finally going somewhere. PROUD TO BE A KNICK FAN.
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11/13/2008  12:30 PM
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Posted by Cartman718:
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Two reasons why there's a sudden love for Marbury..

1. Whether you want to admit or not, Marbury CAN help this team win under MDA. (I, for one, believe the Knicks could have beaten the Spurs if Marbury with in the rotation)

2. If the Knicks have any plans on trading Steph before the deadline...then he HAS to play. It doesn't matter if it's 20 minutes or 40 minutes. He needs to be show cased

Sorry.....we don't need trucks around practice or players who "make love to pressure". His dismissal from the team is the reason why D'Antoni has the players' respect.


And that's great. Everyone is cool now because the Knicks have a winning record, but God forbid that they go on a terrible losing streak or one of the PG go down.





Posted by Allanfan20:

Was it Marbury that came up with the term "Juice card?"

PS: Why does Marbury have to be traded before the deadline? Why can't we just let his contract burn?

He doesn't need to be traded...I, personally, am all for letting his contract run.

I just answered the thread question as to why there is a sudden love for Marbury in NYC. At the end of the day, as long as the Knicks win, I could care less who plays.
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11/13/2008  12:34 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Swishfm3:

(I, for one, believe the Knicks could have beaten the Spurs if Marbury with in the rotation)



CUZ the Knicks NEVER dropped a game we should've won when Marbury was starting, right? Come on man.

Get out of your shell and look at the bigger picture.

Put all your hate aside. Forget what you've been reading about Marbury in the newspaper and honestly tell me that this team will not benefit from having Marbury on the floor under this offense.

what do you gain by playing marbury? Maybe win a few more games cause he can score?

What do you lose? Respect of all the other players who by in to the team concept. Less minutes for Nate, Duhon, Crawford and the other guards. More wins means worse draft pick. More Marb minutes means less defensive presence.

What's the net-net? Nada.

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11/13/2008  12:49 PM
I mentioned this already in another thread..but..We are seeing the Marbury effect. You subtract him from the team and the team gets better. Are there any teams out there that want to rid themselves of a really good player with an Albatros contract?
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11/13/2008  12:50 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Swishfm3:

(I, for one, believe the Knicks could have beaten the Spurs if Marbury with in the rotation)



CUZ the Knicks NEVER dropped a game we should've won when Marbury was starting, right? Come on man.

Get out of your shell and look at the bigger picture.

Put all your hate aside. Forget what you've been reading about Marbury in the newspaper and honestly tell me that this team will not benefit from having Marbury on the floor under this offense.

what do you gain by playing marbury? Maybe win a few more games cause he can score?

What do you lose? Respect of all the other players who by in to the team concept. Less minutes for Nate, Duhon, Crawford and the other guards. More wins means worse draft pick. More Marb minutes means less defensive presence.

What's the net-net? Nada.

Amen! Please tell that to the people who post on NYPOST website.
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11/13/2008  12:50 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Swishfm3:

(I, for one, believe the Knicks could have beaten the Spurs if Marbury with in the rotation)



CUZ the Knicks NEVER dropped a game we should've won when Marbury was starting, right? Come on man.

Get out of your shell and look at the bigger picture.

Put all your hate aside. Forget what you've been reading about Marbury in the newspaper and honestly tell me that this team will not benefit from having Marbury on the floor under this offense.

what do you gain by playing marbury? Maybe win a few more games cause he can score?

What do you lose? Respect of all the other players who by in to the team concept. Less minutes for Nate, Duhon, Crawford and the other guards. More wins means worse draft pick. More Marb minutes means less defensive presence.

What's the net-net? Nada.

I got you. But I'm about winning now (the right way of course, not "star phucking") and if Marbury can help give the Knicks 5-6 more wins, than I'm all for it.

MDA came in and made a huge statement by sitting Marbury and winning the players respect. That's something that needed to get done, but eventually, If the Knicks continue to play well and become a somewhat threat in the East, he is going to have to play his best players and Marbury is his best player.

Eventually (if all this hating on Marbury is even true) the team will have to accept that.
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11/13/2008  12:52 PM
The reason marbury should play is because he can help us win. Coach d says he won't play marbury because he wants to play guys that will be knicks future. Do you really believe roberson will even be in the nba next year? The guy stinks he is not the knicks future. Mardy Collins is ok but he will never play more than 10 min a game. Steph could come in and help us win. When JJ comes back with marb playing the knicks are ascary team. Why does Dantoni suit up a hurt curry who cant play over a healthy Steph it just doesn't make sense. I am not buying steph doesn't deserve small min cause he veteran. We are paying him 22 mil, play the guy. They are just trying to humiliate the him into a buyout. This only hurts us the fans and honestly is dumb. i am a Steph fan and am ready to move on without him but he can help us win so just play the guy.
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11/13/2008  1:01 PM
No, not true, inaccurate. Win to do what? Win to go where? We are winning now, and instilling the right values and using players that will be here for years to come. Marbury is of no benefit to us playing. What all of a sudden playing Marbury hes gonna win us a playoff series or even get us to the playoffs???????? Have we been watching the same knicks with Marbury.

HOW SOON YOU FORGET. UNBELIEVEABLE.
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11/13/2008  1:12 PM
Posted by lip:

The reason marbury should play is because he can help us win. Coach d says he won't play marbury because he wants to play guys that will be knicks future. Do you really believe roberson will even be in the nba next year? The guy stinks he is not the knicks future. Mardy Collins is ok but he will never play more than 10 min a game. Steph could come in and help us win. When JJ comes back with marb playing the knicks are ascary team. Why does Dantoni suit up a hurt curry who cant play over a healthy Steph it just doesn't make sense. I am not buying steph doesn't deserve small min cause he veteran. We are paying him 22 mil, play the guy. They are just trying to humiliate the him into a buyout. This only hurts us the fans and honestly is dumb. i am a Steph fan and am ready to move on without him but he can help us win so just play the guy.

This is the problem. Winning this year isn't the issue. Not to mention that playing Marbury may result in more losses because of the negative impacts he has on his teammates.
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11/13/2008  1:13 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Swishfm3:

(I, for one, believe the Knicks could have beaten the Spurs if Marbury with in the rotation)



CUZ the Knicks NEVER dropped a game we should've won when Marbury was starting, right? Come on man.

Get out of your shell and look at the bigger picture.

Stop looking at the back of his basketball card and look at the bigger picture.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/13/2008  1:16 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Swishfm3:

(I, for one, believe the Knicks could have beaten the Spurs if Marbury with in the rotation)



CUZ the Knicks NEVER dropped a game we should've won when Marbury was starting, right? Come on man.

Get out of your shell and look at the bigger picture.

Put all your hate aside. Forget what you've been reading about Marbury in the newspaper and honestly tell me that this team will not benefit from having Marbury on the floor under this offense.

what do you gain by playing marbury? Maybe win a few more games cause he can score?

What do you lose? Respect of all the other players who by in to the team concept. Less minutes for Nate, Duhon, Crawford and the other guards. More wins means worse draft pick. More Marb minutes means less defensive presence.

What's the net-net? Nada.

I got you. But I'm about winning now (the right way of course, not "star phucking") and if Marbury can help give the Knicks 5-6 more wins, than I'm all for it.

You are actually 100% star-phucking dude. You think Marbury is this great star player capable of great things. He hasn't shown it and we got tired of waiting for it. He's not that good and he's not here long term. There is no benefit to playing him. And don';t be so sure we'll win more with him. The way he has played and KILLED chemistry (which is worth more than we think) we're probably 5 games WORSE with him. Its not about talent. Everyone has talent. Nate probably has more talent than Marbury.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/13/2008  1:22 PM
Do you guys REMEMBER what happened to the team when Marb went AWOL and then Isiah played him after that? Total tank.

That's essentially what would happen if this team starts to get better without Marb and then the coach decides to add him in to win an extra game or 2. Lesser tank.

Marbury will not be a part of this team unless there are some catastrophic injuries.
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11/13/2008  1:27 PM
Posted by martin:

Do you guys REMEMBER what happened to the team when Marb went AWOL and then Isiah played him after that? Total tank.

And he played him like 35 minutes too.

I wonder if there's going to be a book out in the near future giving chronicles of the previous regime. I'd buy it.

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11/13/2008  1:29 PM
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No, not true, inaccurate. Win to do what? Win to go where? We are winning now, and instilling the right values and using players that will be here for years to come. Marbury is of no benefit to us playing. What all of a sudden playing Marbury hes gonna win us a playoff series or even get us to the playoffs???????? Have we been watching the same knicks with Marbury.

HOW SOON YOU FORGET. UNBELIEVEABLE.


Forget what? What it's like to cheer for a winning team? Because thats what I think its wrong with some of you. I think the majority of fans are so used to the NY KNICKS losing that now people actually WANT the team to tank the next TWO YEARS in HOPES that Walsh would be able to sign L.JAMES.

Really? and if that doesn't happen? Oh, I know...Lets tank ONE MORE year and maybe we can sign A.Horford away from the Hawks. Great plan.

With the exception of E.Curry & Duhon, these players were brought in to be the Phoenix Suns of the East..It obviously did not work, but now we have the Coach who helped make the SUNS who they are. Point being...Marbury can HELP this team win. He doesn't need to start and he doesn't need to play 30 minutes, but he can still contribute under MDA and the new offense.
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11/13/2008  1:32 PM
You're right, if Marbury plays we don't have to hope they tank. We know they will.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/13/2008  1:35 PM
Posted by martin:

Do you guys REMEMBER what happened to the team when Marb went AWOL and then Isiah played him after that? Total tank.

That's essentially what would happen if this team starts to get better without Marb and then the coach decides to add him in to win an extra game or 2. Lesser tank.

Marbury will not be a part of this team unless there are some catastrophic injuries.

What does that say about the team character then? Tanking on purpose because they didnt like the coaches decision?

That was a b!tch move by Thomas. I agree....Marbury should have gotten suspended. But what kind of players do we have that their going to whine and cry if they don't like something the coaches does?

Anyway...I'm playing devils advocate here. Like I mentioned before, I could care less who plays as long as the Knicks win.
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11/13/2008  2:04 PM
Devil's advocate my ass. Who said they were tanking? If they were tanking they wouldnt blow out a team. We are using the right pieces. Dantoni was so happy to lose Marbury when he was first with the suns. I mean you have to be kidding me. GET OVER IT. M

One thing that we all know is a fact. Marbury will never play as a knick ever again.
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11/13/2008  3:58 PM
Yeah, I don't understand all this talk of tanking. What evidence does anyone have of us tanking? Because some dude on UK said so? They are trying to win because you can't attract a free agent superstar to a loser. They just aren't going to sacrifice their future in order to win. Let the young guys learn how to win is the current strategy that I'm seeing.
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11/13/2008  4:14 PM
Playing Marbury would be pretty pointless. Whatever minutes you'd give him if Crawford, Nate or Duhon went down could easily go to Mardy or Roberson and if not, since D'Antoni likes shorter rotations, he could just move Q to the 2 and so on.

Marbury's desire to prove a point is only backfiring on him. It's not like the Knicks said they wouldn't pay him. They're willing to let him go out, find a taker and then pay him up to the penny of the difference. But the jackass won't hire an agent and what GM or owner wants to have a business conversation with Marbury or Berman for that matter? I don't think he understands that the Knicks' way, he'd make the same exact amount of money playing somewhere else as he would sitting on the bench in NY.

Meanwhile, he's wasting time because if he's not signed by January, he's pretty worthless to any new team since we all know he's not exactly quick on the uptake. As jealous as Steph has always been of AI, he could learn a thing from him. AI basically said, if you're going to make a move, make it now so that the adjustment period is over before the new year. Then again, AI also isn't a half-wit so his expiring actually had value.
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