Posted by oohah:

Posted by arkrud:


I am not so high at him as you think.
But you really hate him as a person so much; and I cannot get why.
Does he remind you something that brings bad memories? Something personal?
I know you should be OK with him as bbal player.
May be something with color; or the fact that he is rich and successful?
Just curious. It should be some real reason...

It is very interesting that you would bring up color. I remember you writing once: Everybody knows that white athletes have better work ethic and blacks are more gifted athletes.

There have been other similar comments from you, do you recall? So I think when you accuse me you are really exposing what is within you.

I don't hate Lee, I am just realistic about the player he is and I don't think he is an angel as you seem to. You are on his jock so hard that it doesn't really jibe with reality. However, I guess I do see now that you are more interested in his color than his basketball ability. One has to wonder why even now you are still so anti-rrandolph, all the names you have called him etc. I guess he is just "one of them" to you. It's pretty obvious actually.

Arkrud, this forum is littered with your racist comments so I suggest you don't take this any further with me.

oohah

Do you have any example of my "racist comments"?
I never said any bad words about any people of color.
I cannot see any difference between people in this respect.
We all have the same rights and the same responsibilities.
To be of some color is not a reason to be proud or make excuses.
So I don’t know what you are talking about.











[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2008 4:59 PM]

Do you have any example of my "racist comments"?
I never said any bad words about any people of color.
I cannot see any difference between people in this respect.
We all have the same rights and the same responsibilities.
To be of some color is not a reason to be proud or make excuses.
So I don’t know what are talking about.

Posted by arkrud:

Also what is wrong with "Everybody knows that white athletes have better work ethic and blacks are more gifted athletes"?
This is just a fact of live.
Each nation, race, culture has excelled in different things depending on climate, way of life, history, etc.
It is very normal that we all are different. And it is very good as we can complement each other.




[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2008 5:06 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2008 5:07 PM]

Posted by oohah:

Posted by arkrud:

Also what is wrong with "Everybody knows that white athletes have better work ethic and blacks are more gifted athletes"?
This is just a fact of live.
Each nation, race, culture has excelled in different things depending on climate, way of life, history, etc.
It is very normal that we all are different. And it is very good as we can complement each other.

Let it go Arkrud.

oohah

OK. Piece.
I think we are from different worlds.
I wasn't in America in 70th so I have no idea.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by arkrud:

Also what is wrong with "Everybody knows that white athletes have better work ethic and blacks are more gifted athletes"?
This is just a fact of live.
Each nation, race, culture has excelled in different things depending on climate, way of life, history, etc.
It is very normal that we all are different. And it is very good as we can complement each other.




[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2008 5:06 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2008 5:07 PM]

Holy crap!!! I feel like I'm back in the 70's. Oooh Aaah after you take 50 breaths just ignore this stupidity. I have a soft spot for Arkrud because he is from a foreign nation, but this has got to be ban worthy and has no place on this board in my view.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-11-2008 5:12 PM]

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by Bippity10:

In highschool I used to get up at 5 in the morning to shoot baskets at the gym. I'd shoot for another two hours after class. I'd then eat and spend another 2 hours shooting in my driveway. In college 8 hours of my day was spent practicing, working out or studying basketball. My hard work paid off and I got pretty good at the game. A friend of mine, as white as Arkrud, that used to get up at noon and smoke pot all the time used to always tell me how lucky I was to be black and athletically gifted. that if he had my athletic ability he would be an NBA player.

I always found that funny.

So all white people were like this guy in 70th?
America should be pretty scary place these days...
Actually back in Russia I wasn’t white - I was dirty Jew and had to fight my way through the day.
Actually I was physically weak so mostly I was beaten.

No not all....see this is where you get into trouble. You are making sweeping generalizations. If you were to say John (who happens to be white) works/practices harder on his game because he's first to arrive at practice and is the last one to leave as opposed to Joe (who happens to be black)who rarely shows up to practice and doesn't give a full-out effort, then that is not only safer, but can be proven as a fact because you witnessed it and have proof.

But just because John (who is white) out works Joe (who is black) doesn't mean that ALL white people out work all black people. That would be generalizing.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-11-2008 5:42 PM]

[Edited by - uptown on 11-11-2008 5:44 PM]

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by Bippity10:

In highschool I used to get up at 5 in the morning to shoot baskets at the gym. I'd shoot for another two hours after class. I'd then eat and spend another 2 hours shooting in my driveway. In college 8 hours of my day was spent practicing, working out or studying basketball. My hard work paid off and I got pretty good at the game. A friend of mine, as white as Arkrud, that used to get up at noon and smoke pot all the time used to always tell me how lucky I was to be black and athletically gifted. that if he had my athletic ability he would be an NBA player.

I always found that funny.

So all white people were like this guy in 70th?
America should be pretty scary place these days...
Actually back in Russia I wasn’t white - I was dirty Jew and had to fight my way through the day.
Actually I was physically weak so mostly I was beaten.

No not all....see this is where you get into trouble. You are making sweeping generalizations. If you were to say John (who happens to be white) works/practices harder on his game because he's first to arrive at practice and is the last one to leave as opposed to Joe (who happens to be black)who rarely shows up to practice and doesn't give a full-out effort, then that is not only safer, but can be proven as a fact because you witnessed it and have proof.

But just because John (who is white) out works Joe (who is black) doesn't mean that ALL white people out work all black people. That would be generalizing.



[Edited by - uptown on 11-11-2008 5:42 PM]

[Edited by - uptown on 11-11-2008 5:44 PM]

I based my opinion on what I see in NBA.
I can correct myself that "Everybody knows that african-americans are more gifted athletes but some have bad work ethic so the only way for white athlete to get to this level is hard work". Is this OK to say? And this brings us back to DLee and his limited skills.
Actually it is comlitely reverse in NHL. The physical skills required for this gane are better developed in white people but some of them are nuts so african-americans need to work hard to get to this level.










[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2008 6:00 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2008 6:01 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2008 6:05 PM]

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by oohah:

Arkrud, I'll explain it to you because I am feeling nice today.

Some people may get angry with you for saying a black person has superior athletic ability on the average and many won't. It is an interesting topic because in America, including the Caribbean and South America, Africans were slaves who were literally bred to work, and worked to death. For hundreds of years. Survivors had to be strong. So it is an interesting scientific question whether or not the Black American enjoys a physical advantage to people across the world, on the average.

However, it is a sensitive discussion that should be approached with care.

Once you start getting into whites having a better work ethic than blacks you are in dangerous territory. That is prejudice. We are not talking biology anymore. Do I have to explain that to you?

***

Please don't get into race with me again because I guarantee you could not guess my race in 10,000 tries.

oohah

Let me try.....

Human

Posted by oohah:

Arkrud, I'll explain it to you because I am feeling nice today.

Some people may get angry with you for saying a black person has superior athletic ability on the average and many won't. It is an interesting topic because in America, including the Caribbean and South America, Africans were slaves who were literally bred to work, and worked to death. For hundreds of years. Survivors had to be strong. So it is an interesting scientific question whether or not the Black American enjoys a physical advantage to people across the world, on the average.

However, it is a sensitive discussion that should be approached with care.

Once you start getting into whites having a better work ethic than blacks you are in dangerous territory. That is prejudice. We are not talking biology anymore. Do I have to explain that to you?

***

Please don't get into race with me again because I guarantee you could not guess my race in 10,000 tries.

oohah

Posted by oohah:

9,997 guesses left...

oohah

I think Jones nailed this - Human
This is all that matters.