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TMS
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11/11/2008  6:26 AM
rooting for losses last year is the same as rooting for losses any year there's a bigtime talent in the draft... i'd be fine w/not getting Mayo if we can nab a Jennings, Derozan or the like this season... either way we can end up w/a future star player to build around.
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11/11/2008  7:14 AM
Yes, Mayo is the real deal. It's the reason why many of us were rooting for losses towards the end of last year.

And if rooting for losses worked in reality we would have gotten Mayo, Rose, or Beasley. But rooting for losses is fools gold.

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11/11/2008  8:20 AM
no one actively roots for the team to lose... looking at the big picture tho would u rather we win 35 games this year & end up w/another Mike Sweetney like prospect, or would u rather we lost more games & had a realistic chance at Brandon Jennings or someone on that level?
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11/11/2008  8:51 AM
i haven't seen him play this year ... but if he's so good, what was holding him back at USC ... he never looked that dominant there.
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11/11/2008  8:55 AM
no one actively roots for the team to lose...

Really? you could have fooled me!
looking at the big picture tho would u rather we win 35 games this year & end up w/another Mike Sweetney like prospect, or would u rather we lost more games & had a realistic chance at Brandon Jennings or someone on that level?

Looking at the big picture, losing takes care of itself, and the draft is a LOTTERY. Last season the Bulls got the #1 pick with 33 wins. The year before Portland trailblazers got the #1 pick with 32 wins, and they landed an injury prone center.

There is so much luck involved, that "planning" to win the draft and get a franchise player who is going to deliver a championship is silly.

Pinning one's hopes on a plan to scrap 2 seasons in the hope that you are going to land a free-agent who another team will be able to pay more money is silly.

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I have an idea! Try to sensibly build a team and then make sure we have some assets and hopefully some financial wiggle room for free agents. I know it sounds crazy, but it might just work, and in the meantime we can watch some decent basketball!

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11/11/2008  9:01 AM
I have an idea! Try to sensibly build a team and then make sure we have some assets and hopefully some financial wiggle room for free agents.

& how is that different from what i've been advocating?
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11/11/2008  9:03 AM
Posted by TMS:
I have an idea! Try to sensibly build a team and then make sure we have some assets and hopefully some financial wiggle room for free agents.

& how is that different from what i've been advocating?

Everything you talk about involves salary dumps. Nothing about acquiring good players or how to build a team that a top-notch free-agent might want to play on before 2010. Correct me if I am wrong.

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11/11/2008  9:10 AM
Posted by TMS:

no one actively roots for the team to lose... looking at the big picture tho would u rather we win 35 games this year & end up w/another Mike Sweetney like prospect, or would u rather we lost more games & had a realistic chance at Brandon Jennings or someone on that level?


Tell that to the Spur fans. Sometimes sandbagging is good thing. The Spurs got this science down pat. They got the Admiral and the Big Fundamental for their troubles.
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11/11/2008  9:12 AM
I think best case scenario is we make the playoffs with crawford, jefferies and zach playing key roles. Crawford opts out of his contract and we either lose him or trade him for a late pick either way it accomplishes a goal of losing salary. Maybe teams realize Zach is a player and can help them win and we get an expiring and a draft selection. Jefferies can have value if he helps the team to the little things to win. And you resign Nate to a reasonable deal at 6 millions you package Lee in the offseason and you hope that Gallo and Chandler make strides while adding another core player either through the draft packaging Lee.

Position yourself with a few key role players who can score the ball and defend and hope and pray for one of the big three. Bosh may very well want people to know he actually plays in the NBA and new york would do that for him. No reason the Knicks can't get far enough under to make a real run at a couple of big time free agents
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11/11/2008  9:23 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by TMS:
I have an idea! Try to sensibly build a team and then make sure we have some assets and hopefully some financial wiggle room for free agents.

& how is that different from what i've been advocating?

Everything you talk about involves salary dumps. Nothing about acquiring good players or how to build a team that a top-notch free-agent might want to play on before 2010. Correct me if I am wrong.

oohah

LOL!!! so i guess all my talk about being in a position to draft kids like Jennings & co this year or to have the flexibility to target some of the big names in 2010 doesn't constitute acquiring good players all of a sudden? u haven't even been reading what i've been posting for the past year & a half if u think all i care about is cap space in 2010.
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11/11/2008  10:03 AM
Posted by anrst:

i haven't seen him play this year ... but if he's so good, what was holding him back at USC ... he never looked that dominant there.

he's just much more suited to the NBA game - the spacing, the lack of zone defense, having capable teammates. i wasn't too impressed by him in the USC games i watched either. but he looks legit the last few games in the NBA.

one tendency he had that was the same at USC and seems to be happening in Memphis is that he'll try to take over the game and do a great job with it, but he hasn't found out how to get his teammates re-involved yet. that took guys like Kobe and Bron a while and I'm still not sure Wade knows how to do it, it's a process, I guess. but i think if you talk about what's mayo's level, it's gonna be the Bron/Wade level in a few years. just goes to show that cap room ain't everything. we could've traded for Mayo at the draft if Lee's agent hadn't blown up the memphis trade - I believe Donnie's goal was to get the 5th pick and then offer the 5th and 6th picks to Minnesota for Mayo. oh well. but that's why i don't think playing for cap room is the only way to go.
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11/11/2008  10:10 AM
Posted by TMS:

rooting for losses last year is the same as rooting for losses any year there's a bigtime talent in the draft... i'd be fine w/not getting Mayo if we can nab a Jennings, Derozan or the like this season... either way we can end up w/a future star player to build around.


honestly i think there's a big difference between rooting for losses in November when you don't know what the team can do and rooting for losses in March and April when it's clear that the team needs major changes. I know we have basically the same talent base, but there were major leadership changes to the team and the talent we do have is being allowed to thrive now. Are we a great team? No. Not at all. I'd say this team has a ceiling of 40 wins if everything goes great. BUT, winning 40 games with this roster makes trades and rebuilding a LOT more flexible. I am more a proponent of trading up in the draft than trying to tank.

I really think tanking this season would make most of the roster completely untradeable and then there's no way we'd have cap room. I think winning and the players looking good is in everyone's best interest.

still, it'd be nice to have Mayo and that meaningless three game winning streak in April killed me.
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11/11/2008  10:29 AM
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cat is going to be a star...wanted him from day one out of anybody in the draft. Absolutely pathetic that we didnt pull out all the stops to get him.

We tried, but the Golden Boy (Lee) put an end to those dreams.
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11/11/2008  12:29 PM
we all knew he was going to be good but we also knew we couldn't get him which was amazing since throughout the year last year his stock did drop all the way down to 10th pick at one point. i am more interested with my boy bayless who has been quiet.
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11/11/2008  12:36 PM
I think Mayo's stock dropping was a mirage and that GM's really still knew what kind of talent he was. I was hoping we could somehow catch a break and get him, even tho I knew it was a long shot.

He's funny to watch, cuz he always seems to me to be moving at half speed and yet he get's it done. Once he learns how to balance being the main guy and taking over with making his teammates better, he's gonna be special. Oh and he needs to defend once in a while. That would be nice.
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11/11/2008  12:50 PM
This Gent was the most Ret 2 Go player to enter the draft.

Then don't forget down Yonder in Miami you have Stud Muffin Beasley.
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11/11/2008  12:58 PM
Thank you David Lee.
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11/11/2008  4:30 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by sebstar:

cat is going to be a star...wanted him from day one out of anybody in the draft. Absolutely pathetic that we didnt pull out all the stops to get him.

We tried, but the Golden Boy (Lee) put an end to those dreams.

I feel you, and i remember all that but we're talking about moving up a slot. I dont think the Grizz were that sold on Mayo. We just had to get it done. Duke is already averaging 25 damn near. I was sick when draft day happened, and I'm getting even sicker..
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11/11/2008  4:49 PM
Look at the bright side --- we got Gallo
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11/11/2008  5:03 PM
Every year there's a top player heading into the year. Every year there's a top player that falls in the ranking for less than intelligent reasons. Mayo was last year. Chris Paul is another.

Some had Mayo as the best player going into the NCAA season. Most had Rose. Beasley then had a great year. So, the most he should have dropped to was the third selection. I think people expected the world from him, when what he did was do what was asked. And he really polished his off-the-ball skills. Haven't seen him play in the NBA yet, but I'm fairly certain that's the ability that stands out now.
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