Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

One of the most terrible trade proposals I've seen in a long time.



[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 11-09-2008 4:21 PM]

You put Vince Carter's in Q Rich's spot on Josh Boone in David Lee's and we are one trade away from being a very serious contender.

If we could get Curry back in shape by mid-season and add a superstar we would be a load to handle.

Remember almost everyone here--including Knick management wanted to get rid of Zach for Milicic. Zach is the MVP so far of this team. If we made that trade we would be 0-6 or 1-5. Vince Carter is still an NBA superstar the same age as KG and Ray Allen.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Remember almost everyone here--including Knick management wanted to get rid of Zach for Milicic. Zach is the MVP so far of this team. If we made that trade we would be 0-6 or 1-5. Vince Carter is still an NBA superstar the same age as KG and Ray Allen.

I was one of the guys who wanted that trade to go down. I'll admit it. I like Darko's size and age and still think he's got some upside to develop into an effective player on both ends of the court (he's already proven to be an active interior defender and effective shot-blocker). Like some youngsters out there who haven't gotten the PT early on it's easy to just dismiss guys and not look back which is crazy because sometimes it just takes certain guys longer to develop than others - Detroit and Memphis showing no patience has a lot to do with this guy's poor reputation right now. But I digress.... Bottom line, the original deal with Memphis of Zach for Milicic/Jaric was the most fair, most logical trade out there for him at the time. Philly wanted Zach+Lee for an underwhelming package and the Clippers didn't want to give us squat and wanted our next 1st rounder to boot. Rediculous. Can't give up the moon like that, not when you're a rebuilding team like the Knicks. Then Memphis enters the picture and what started out as a fair trade slowly became more and more absurd as the days went on - first Memphis wanted draft picks, then they wanted us to pick up some of Zach's contract, etc.. and then to top it off they refused to even include one of their extra PGs in the deal to balance it out for us (Lowry or Crittenton). In the end Memphis failed to act in good faith and that's why Donnie ultimately passed and you know what, I agreed with him 100%. As a GM you don't panic, you don't make trades under any unnecessary manufactured pressure and you don't allow yourself or your organization to be taken advantage of. Bravo Donnie. Trading Zach will happen - in the meantime, he's been a rock for us by playing very well and doing what he does, putting up all-star like numbers...

But make no mistake here, for the sole purpose of shedding Zach's crazy contract and finally straightening out our cap somewhat, the best offer this off-season for Zach by far was the original deal with Memphis. This was never meant to be an all-in trade like this Carter deal you're proposing here. This was a cost-cutting deal where we'd be getting back a nice prospect in Milicic to help with the rebuilding process. Let's just keep perspective of why we were making that deal & why most of us wanted that deal....


[Edited by - finestrg on 11-09-2008 9:32 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Remember almost everyone here--including Knick management wanted to get rid of Zach for Milicic. Zach is the MVP so far of this team. If we made that trade we would be 0-6 or 1-5. Vince Carter is still an NBA superstar the same age as KG and Ray Allen.

i would've loved to see us at 0-6 right now... all the better for our longterm future to land a better prospect in the draft... are we supposed to rejoice the fact that Zach's led this team to a 4-2 record? i mean come on.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

One of the most terrible trade proposals I've seen in a long time.



[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 11-09-2008 4:21 PM]

You put Vince Carter's in Q Rich's spot on Josh Boone in David Lee's and we are one trade away from being a very serious contender.

If we could get Curry back in shape by mid-season and add a superstar we would be a load to handle.

it will be interesting to see if D'Antoni is actually interested in getting Curry in shape and seeing what he can do or if he's already made up his made on him. Personally, i don't think there's anyway ZBO and Curry on the floor at the same time works.

i don't know if i like this trade before knowing a single thing about Gallinari either.

if we have to move Lee, i'd be interested in moving him for a lotto pick or a younger guard like Sergio Rodriguez.

BRIGGS you need to stop the hate on Gallo. Give the kid a chance. I am very happy with my NY Knicks today. They have a plan and a system in place. That is all we have been asking all these years.

Posted by misterearl:

TMS: there is absolutely nothing to love (or advocate for) about being 0-6.

The fact that D'Antoni can iinstall a new system, get guys to buy in AND pick up a few tasty victories only helps build trust and confidence in that system. You go 0-6 and players are slumping their collective shoulders and feeling frustrated thinking, "here we go again".

You play to win the game.

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Originally posted by BRIGGS:

After 8 years of losing I support anything they have to do to win.

yeah, i think you & a buncha other cats around here have fallen victim to that same line of thinking... u'll take anything over having to see this team suck even at the cost of mortgaging our longterm cap flexibility... u think that finishing the season w/a few more wins validates a plan in your mind of longterm improvement, meanwhile we finish w/another crappy pick in the lottery & end up w/Mike Sweetney instead of Lebron James.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-09-2008 9:21 PM]

Posted by TMS:

i'll say this, i like the style of game they're playing this year much better... there at least seems to be a system in place & the guys are starting to look more comfortable in it... but i'm not fooling myself into thinking things have miraculously changed around here all of a sudden & we're gonna be playoff contenders this season... i will gladly eat my words if they prove me wrong tho.

i think you have to make the best of what you've got. you plan for july 1 2010 and lebron stays in cleveland, where does that leave you?

i think the new regime has the right idea. it'll be interesting to see how walsh handles certain situations. everything we've seen so far indicates he'll stick to his guns about creating cap room, but we'll see, i guess.


briggs, i really don't see D'Antoni playing Curry here ever. we already know Curry and Zach dont work together. i'd advocate the gerald wallace for curry move if it was available from charlotte.