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Pharzeone
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11/9/2008  12:36 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nixluva:

IMO It's silly to keep harping on Gallo's situation. The guy wasn't able or allowed to really push it working out. Heck you can't lift anything over your head with a spinal issue and there are any number of other exercises that would likely be off limits. He's got to be allowed to heal and develop. He can't get it done RIGHT NOW, but can you give the guy a chance to see what he's gonna be. MAYBE MORE THAN 5 GAMES into the season!?! GEEZ! Somehow we've got to get past this idea that Gallo is some kind of bust already. WE don't know that yet and really for most rooks we don't know that yet, so what the heck is the deal?

Now as for Lee. The guy is going thru some things, but he's gonna have to bust it like anyone else. He may never fully change his game to perfectly suit the system, much like Jamal hasn't, but he can probably still do more to contribute than he has. I fully expect that he'll step up and show us more than he has so far. If not then he'll likely be out of here, as he should, if he can't cut it.

What? I thought you said his back was ok and not an issue about a month ago. Now he has spinal issues?
Yeah right, I said his back was OK! Why are you bringing up what I said or didn't say about his back a month ago. The issue is why he wasn't able to get into game shape over the summer and the point was that he had a bulging disc and couldn't really work out hard. So that would explain how he ended up not being in NBA shape despite doing some light workouts this summer.

You however want to try and make some kind of case to back up your dislike for the pick. The jury won't be out on Gallo for a good long while, so give up the witch hunt and getting your shots in on the guy whenever you get the chance. It doesn't matter if he sets the world on fire this year or not. It's what the guy will eventually do over his career here that matters the most. If he turns out to be a very good NBA player no one will care that he missed games in his 1st year.

Before camp began you did say it wasn't an issue. Anyway, aren't most guys judged within a year about their abilities? For example, Darko picked up the bust label during his first year when he couldn't get on the floor and he was in game shape. I don't think Gallinari will be given the luxury of wait let's see approach. Especially after Walsh proclaimed that they had to get this pick right and the pick had to have immediate impact. Those were his words. If Gallinari can't play due to an injury that he had prior to draft, I think Walsh and the franchise will take a big hit. When D'Antoni mentioned sending him to the NBADL, that was front page material on NBA.COM.
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4949
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11/9/2008  12:48 PM
Posted by oohah:

Oh, and the guy who should go to the bench is Q not Lee.

oohah

That's even better.
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11/9/2008  12:50 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by oohah:

Oh, and the guy who should go to the bench is Q not Lee.

oohah

based on the stats D Lee's playing worse this year... he's averaging more minutes but less rebounds per minute than Q & Q's averaging more points & plays some D at least... maybe a stint on the bench will do Lee some good & he'll get back to the same kinda mentality he had in years past coming in & banging for boards against the other team's second stringers?

I still say that Lee's numbers are down a little because of the offense and rebounding variety we have now. But also, I know Lee has been looking a little sluggish also. We'll see what happens.
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11/9/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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I side with oohah on this conditioning issue. I find it ironic that the two players that suppose to have been working out together during the summer, Lee and Gallinari both have conditioning issues. Me wonders if the workouts included a lot of night life and little else.

Are you saying they are dating each other?

oohah

Well we know how lonely it's been for David without his guyfriend, Channing.

No respect.
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11/9/2008  12:56 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I side with oohah on this conditioning issue. I find it ironic that the two players that suppose to have been working out together during the summer, Lee and Gallinari both have conditioning issues. Me wonders if the workouts included a lot of night life and little else.

Are you saying they are dating each other?

oohah

No...
He is saying they both white.
Whites always have conditioning problems.

That's a little bit of a stereotype, because blacks, etc. also can have conditioning problems. And what about all those whites who don't have conditioning problems? It would seem that some attack Lee because he's white, but I also seen the same people call to have black players taken off this team, so it can't be a question of color. At least I hope we are bigger than that because I for one believe in the 'team concept'.

I just thought I needed to say this, to break the ice sort of speak, because some folks may be thinking this.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-09-2008 12:59 PM]
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11/9/2008  1:07 PM
I don't know where arkrud was going with that so I stayed away from it. I was referring to the fact that according to Lee both he and Gallinari were working out together during the summer to ready for the season but it appears to be that they have condition issues.

NYKnicks.com: What did you see out of Danilo Gallinari in your practices, as well as his limited playing time during Summer League?

Lee: I'm really excited about him. He's going to be fun to play alongside of. I've been working out with him for a couple of weeks, and I think his skill level is what made me initially very excited about his future. His ability to shoot, pass, dribble and everything he can do, and it makes him a huge threat from the outside. And being a threat at the three spot at that size, it's a pretty special combination.

While everyone admired how the two were working out (I believe king led the charge of applause), most on the board scoffed at the notion that Marbury was getting ready by running mountains. While their workout periods there were plenty of nightlife photos of the two out on the town during the summer together. I pointed out the irony of the events. Marbury shows up to camp in what was described as in great physical condition while we are now attributing condition issues to both Lee and Gallinari. Has nothing to do with color because Q said that Curry was working his butt off in Chicago but showed up like he just celebrated Thanksgiving 3 times over the summer. Not much was heard from Chandler about what he was doing but seemed to showed up in shape and ready to go in D'Antoni's system. Chandler said he worked with Mike Weber. Sometimes the least hyped workouts are the ones that should be paid attention to.
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11/9/2008  1:35 PM
From what I understand (and I forget his name off hand) we have had the same conditioning coach on this staff for many years now. So why hasn't anyone questioned this guys practice? We have always had injury on this team, key injuries and at key times, at least since Patrick left. So I think we should know more about what's been going on with that part of the conditioning of our players.

The players we get, they seem to have no problems prior to coming to the Knicks and suddenly, they get hurt. What gives on that? Anyone know? Any thoughts?
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11/9/2008  2:58 PM
Posted by 4949:

From what I understand (and I forget his name off hand) we have had the same conditioning coach on this staff for many years now. So why hasn't anyone questioned this guys practice? We have always had injury on this team, key injuries and at key times, at least since Patrick left. So I think we should know more about what's been going on with that part of the conditioning of our players.

The players we get, they seem to have no problems prior to coming to the Knicks and suddenly, they get hurt. What gives on that? Anyone know? Any thoughts?

The press and fans have questioned Brittenham but everyone in that front office and MSG seem to love him. Walsh walked in the door throwing him kisses. I never understood it myself because the Knicks since Riley's departure have always look to be on the pudgy side. Riley had non-mandatory summer workouts (really mandatory) that got him into a bit of trouble with the Players Association. I know Chandler was one of the few Knicks that actually met with Weber over the summer. Weber said the others were working out on their own including Gallinari which I still don't get either.
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11/9/2008  3:26 PM
Posted by 4949:


That's a little bit of a stereotype, because blacks, etc. also can have conditioning problems. And what about all those whites who don't have conditioning problems? It would seem that some attack Lee because he's white, but I also seen the same people call to have black players taken off this team, so it can't be a question of color. At least I hope we are bigger than that because I for one believe in the 'team concept'.

I just thought I needed to say this, to break the ice sort of speak, because some folks may be thinking this.

Arkrud was kidding. He's Russian so I will go out on a limb and say that Arkrud is probably white himself.

The second comment about attacking Lee because he is white...are you kidding? Show me where, anywhere Lee has been unduly attacked. On UK, Lee is celebrated like a player 3 times as good as he really is. As a matter of fact, I've been attacked uncountable times for trying to fairly critique his game as I would any other player.

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[Edited by - oohah on 09-11-2008 3:29 PM]
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