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TheGame
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11/6/2008  9:35 AM
I think Lee will be fine. He does need to hit the weights though. I think an extra 10-15 pounds of muscle would do wonders for his ability to score in the post and guard larger people.
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11/6/2008  9:46 AM

We have only 7 players in rotation - Lee, Zack, Q (only because there is no other option), Craf, Duhon, Chan, and Nate. That’s it...
So if Lee will be traded who will play the game?
D'Antony selected this 7 to work with; and Jeffries and Galo will possibly join in 2-3 month.
This 9 will NOT be traded this season.
So we can cut the B.S.
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11/6/2008  9:49 AM
Walsh is keeping his options open when it comes to Lee... don't think for a second he wouldn't be willing to trade him if the right offer comes along... they already tried to trade him in the offseason for a draft pick, remember?
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11/6/2008  9:50 AM
Posted by TMS:

Walsh is keeping his options open when it comes to Lee... don't think for a second he wouldn't be willing to trade him if the right offer comes along... they already tried to trade him in the offseason for a draft pick, remember?

Man do you know how I wished that had happened
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11/6/2008  9:54 AM
if Walsh knew for sure he would wanna keep Lee on this roster beyond this season he woulda been signed already... the fact that he hasn't means he's gonna see what offers are out there at the trade deadline & if the right deal is there he's gonna make the move... what i wanna see is for Walsh not to wait that long & be proactive & make the move now, not because i don't like Lee as a player but because we can get max value for him earlier in the season rather than now... the team that's trading for him will get a full year of his service & still have the option of trading him later if he doesn't work out... that's something that won't be a possibility if we wait til the trading deadline to get a deal done.

unless Walsh has a plan up his sleeve to get rid of Zach then i don't see any other way to fix our frontcourt situation for next season... i could care less about this season & who plays at C... start Fishlips for all i care... all the better to get that top lottery pick i want anyway.
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11/6/2008  10:03 AM
Posted by TMS:

if Walsh knew for sure he would wanna keep Lee on this roster beyond this season he woulda been signed already... the fact that he hasn't means he's gonna see what offers are out there at the trade deadline & if the right deal is there he's gonna make the move... what i wanna see is for Walsh not to wait that long & be proactive & make the move now, not because i don't like Lee as a player but because we can get max value for him earlier in the season rather than now... the team that's trading for him will get a full year of his service & still have the option of trading him later if he doesn't work out... that's something that won't be a possibility if we wait til the trading deadline to get a deal done.

unless Walsh has a plan up his sleeve to get rid of Zach then i don't see any other way to fix our frontcourt situation for next season... i could care less about this season & who plays at C... start Fishlips for all i care... all the better to get that top lottery pick i want anyway.

Walsh will trade Lee only if Eddy, Steph, Craf, or Zack will be in the same deal will Lee as incentive to make it work.
And because NOBODY in NBA will want any peace of this group of players I am not expecting any trades.
Walsh will NOT trade players like Lee for picks (he is not looking like gambler to me).
And D'Antony needs time to work with same set of players to install his system.




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11/6/2008  10:08 AM
So if Lee will be traded who will play the game?

Very frequently a trade involves one player going and one player coming back.
Walsh will NOT trade players like Lee for picks (he is not looking like gambler to me).

Players like Lee? You mean good bench talent? Why not?

That's just your heart talking. I know you love Lee with all your heart Arkrud, but it really is more about the Knicks.

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11/6/2008  11:14 AM
Lee is letting the contract thing get to his head. Either that or something in his personal life is really bothering him. That's why there is a difference in his play.

We've seen this happen to Camby when his family was in trouble.
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11/6/2008  11:27 AM
DLee needs a dynamic playmaker to see his full potential. We saw this in the Rookie/Soph game when CP3 keeps finding him for dunks when he slashed into the paint. Right now, his success will be dictated by how our offense is humming along. If Duhon, Nate and Crawford pushes the ball and finds DLee streaking down court, then they are playing to DLee's strength. DLee is a horrible one-on-one defender in space. He is a capable post defender. Last night, he looked better when we were running and gunning. When Brown slowed the tempo down, he was awful.
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11/6/2008  11:28 AM
waiting for King1's response to this :)
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11/6/2008  11:32 AM
Posted by subzero0:

Lee is letting the contract thing get to his head. Either that or something in his personal life is really bothering him. That's why there is a difference in his play.

or he is starting for the first time in his career over a long haul and teams have fully scouted him and know how to go at him.

Maybe he has a bad ankle. Maybe his jumpshot that looked good in preseason is off. Maybe is just better off being a 6th man. Maybe he should work on his defense in the offseason as well as offense. Maybe he is guarding center instead of PF.
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11/6/2008  11:56 AM
I love Lee, but I think we should cash-in on his trade value and deal him with someone like Crawford or Curry or something, get rid of one of those contracts for the future of this franchise.
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11/6/2008  11:56 AM
I think we should give him at least a full month before we come to any conclusions. He had a great preseason and we have played 4 games into the regular season. So far he has had 1 very good, game 1 solid game, and 2 bad games.

He could end up tearing up the rest of the month or he can continue to go down hill, or he can be inconsistant. We should at lest wait a month and see where he is at.
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11/6/2008  12:01 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I think we should give him at least a full month before we come to any conclusions. He had a great preseason and we have played 4 games into the regular season. So far he has had 1 very good, game 1 solid game, and 2 bad games.

He could end up tearing up the rest of the month or he can continue to go down hill, or he can be inconsistant. We should at lest wait a month and see where he is at.

At this point of his career I believe we should all know who David Lee is as a player.

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11/6/2008  12:11 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I think we should give him at least a full month before we come to any conclusions. He had a great preseason and we have played 4 games into the regular season. So far he has had 1 very good, game 1 solid game, and 2 bad games.

He could end up tearing up the rest of the month or he can continue to go down hill, or he can be inconsistant. We should at lest wait a month and see where he is at.

At this point of his career I believe we should all know who David Lee is as a player.

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Except he is being used in a different system and it might take some time for things to gel and for him to find his spots.
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11/6/2008  12:17 PM
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Except he is being used in a different system and it might take some time for things to gel and for him to find his spots.

Lee needs time to "find his spots"? Let me accelerate the process: 5 feet from from the basket and in. 10 feet on a good day.

Done.

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11/6/2008  12:19 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by franco12:


Except he is being used in a different system and it might take some time for things to gel and for him to find his spots.

Lee needs time to "find his spots"? Let me accelerate the process: 5 feet from from the basket and in. 10 feet on a good day.

Done.

oohah

In this system! They key is spacing. I see Lee being used up high much more than in the past when we tended to pack things in.
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11/6/2008  12:20 PM
lets get into a frenzy about the season.

Wow!

What I notice is he is great starting breaks on dRebounds and his positioning is different this year do to a whole new offense formation. He is tentitive on his shot when he is wide open. He does not trust the system yet and likly can't believe he is that open.

Having you only other big being Zdumb might also lead to his awkward offense. The pick and roll, mastered by Nash/Amare is more awkward with Lee. He is a good finisher so lets give that weapon more time to mature.

So many trade ideas as if change alone will help.

Lee must nail those 15 footers!!!!!
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11/6/2008  12:22 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by TMS:

if Walsh knew for sure he would wanna keep Lee on this roster beyond this season he woulda been signed already... the fact that he hasn't means he's gonna see what offers are out there at the trade deadline & if the right deal is there he's gonna make the move... what i wanna see is for Walsh not to wait that long & be proactive & make the move now, not because i don't like Lee as a player but because we can get max value for him earlier in the season rather than now... the team that's trading for him will get a full year of his service & still have the option of trading him later if he doesn't work out... that's something that won't be a possibility if we wait til the trading deadline to get a deal done.

unless Walsh has a plan up his sleeve to get rid of Zach then i don't see any other way to fix our frontcourt situation for next season... i could care less about this season & who plays at C... start Fishlips for all i care... all the better to get that top lottery pick i want anyway.

Walsh will trade Lee only if Eddy, Steph, Craf, or Zack will be in the same deal will Lee as incentive to make it work.
And because NOBODY in NBA will want any peace of this group of players I am not expecting any trades.
Walsh will NOT trade players like Lee for picks (he is not looking like gambler to me).
And D'Antony needs time to work with same set of players to install his system.


huh??? dude, did u miss all the news stories this past offseason? D Lee was widely reported as being all but signed, sealed & delivered to the Grizzlies for the #5 pick 'til his agent nixed the deal by saying he wouldn't re-sign w/them longterm... what could possibly lead u to believe that Walsh would have any qualms about trading him for a draft pick when he already tried?
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11/6/2008  12:23 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

DLee needs a dynamic playmaker to see his full potential. We saw this in the Rookie/Soph game when CP3 keeps finding him for dunks when he slashed into the paint. Right now, his success will be dictated by how our offense is humming along. If Duhon, Nate and Crawford pushes the ball and finds DLee streaking down court, then they are playing to DLee's strength. DLee is a horrible one-on-one defender in space. He is a capable post defender. Last night, he looked better when we were running and gunning. When Brown slowed the tempo down, he was awful.

he would definitely benefit from a playmaker, but we can't take stock in what happened in the Rookie Allstar game... no one even pretends to play D in those things.
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