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TMS
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11/5/2008  8:43 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by jazz74:

i agree. we are not rebuilding until we trade randolph and marbury ( or when marbury is off the team next year) then rebuilding has officially begin. if gallinari starts paying dividends and lee becomes half as good as we make him out to be, we have our assets right there.

Really, trading Zach signals rebuilding? Trading Zach so we can possibly line up for the 2010 Free agency Lotto is not rebuilding. Its simply more starphuching.

Trading Crawford, our one viable asset with a halfway decent contract, will signal rebuilding.

how would dumping our worst contract so we can line ourselves up to possibly land a true franchise calibre talent via free agency be defined as starphuching?
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11/5/2008  9:22 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by jazz74:

i agree. we are not rebuilding until we trade randolph and marbury ( or when marbury is off the team next year) then rebuilding has officially begin. if gallinari starts paying dividends and lee becomes half as good as we make him out to be, we have our assets right there.

Really, trading Zach signals rebuilding? Trading Zach so we can possibly line up for the 2010 Free agency Lotto is not rebuilding. Its simply more starphuching.

Trading Crawford, our one viable asset with a halfway decent contract, will signal rebuilding.

how would dumping our worst contract so we can line ourselves up to possibly land a true franchise calibre talent via free agency be defined as starphuching?

I don't get it either. You have to be in the game to win it. We have to rebuild anyway, so why not use 2010 as a target. If you don't get one of these guys, at least you started the rebuilding process and have gotten rid of awful contracts. What's the downside? it's going to take 3-5 years to rebuild this thing anyway.
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11/5/2008  9:45 AM
Rebuilding or retooling or whatever you need to have people in organization on all levels, which are:
1. Willing to work hard.
2. Are dedicated not just for money but for the love of the game and to be proud of what they do.
3. Understand bbal
4. Can take risks and responsibility for failures along the road.
MSG is THE CORPORATION and as such; by nature of modern big corporations; is breading lazy, ignorant, irresponsible, greedy, incompetent, sore losers.
Are Walsh, D'Antony and Co made from another material is to be seen and this will define everything.


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11/5/2008  9:46 AM
we have been a win now team until this year. Every year since Ewing was here. Cant even argue this
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11/5/2008  11:24 AM
Posted by fishmike:

we have been a win now team until this year. Every year since Ewing was here. Cant even argue this

Are you absolutely certain we are truly rebuilding now? Even with Marbury's benching we are playing a lot of the same old guys.

I think this is a question for Dolan.

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11/5/2008  11:41 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by fishmike:

we have been a win now team until this year. Every year since Ewing was here. Cant even argue this

Are you absolutely certain we are truly rebuilding now? Even with Marbury's benching we are playing a lot of the same old guys.

I think this is a question for Dolan.

oohah

I don't think we really have a choice. I do know that our young guys are getting time. It's not as if they aren't playing. The question comes down to ,is Walsh going to make the right moves. But I really don't see Mike having any intention of buidling around Marbs or Curry anymore. They are out to find a new centerpeice. In the meantime they are playing who is on the roster.
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11/5/2008  11:43 AM
I guess I have a different definition of rebuild. To me, it doesn't mean just play the young guys. To me it means, find a new centerpiece. We rebuilt when we went from Allan/Spree to Marbs/Curry. We just made the wrong choices. A proper rebuild is establishing a winning culture and finding a centerpeice or two to build around
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11/5/2008  1:26 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by fishmike:

we have been a win now team until this year. Every year since Ewing was here. Cant even argue this

Are you absolutely certain we are truly rebuilding now? Even with Marbury's benching we are playing a lot of the same old guys.

I think this is a question for Dolan.

oohah
no... not at all. Cant say we are rebuilding yet for sure. MD said we were looking to the future and elected to play young guys in their rookie contracts over Marbury. Knicks drafted a player they consider a project and part of the future. Knicks didnt add any veterans to win now as they have in every previous year.

That being said its premature to comment on any plan the Knicks may or may not have.

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11/5/2008  3:45 PM
Impossible to tell. With that said, it is EASY to tell that you can't win now with the roster we got so I think it's easy to tell that either we're trying to build for the future, or we got a bunch of idiots that are actually trying to win now with what we've got. Who knows?
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11/5/2008  4:13 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Impossible to tell. With that said, it is EASY to tell that you can't win now with the roster we got so I think it's easy to tell that either we're trying to build for the future, or we got a bunch of idiots that are actually trying to win now with what we've got. Who knows?

The next 1 or 2 moves will tell you all you need to know about Walsh's intentions. From what I've seen of D'Antoni he is fully ready to rebuild. Other than not giving Chandler and Gallinari 48 minutes a night, nothing in D'Antoni's actions suggests that he is looking to build around this team.
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11/5/2008  5:33 PM
one thing's for sure, until Dolan gets it into his thick skull that this team needs to make certain moves to rebuild, they ain't gonna rebuild... it'll be 1 starphuch move after another just like we've been doing for years now trying to get to the playoffs at any cost... even if Walsh has a plan to rebuild he won't be able to implement it if Dolan's not on board w/that plan... Dolan has to be willing to miss out on the playoffs for the next couple seasons if he really wants an end product w/a legitimate shot at winning again IMHO... i dunno if Walsh was brought here for that just yet... we'll see w/the next few moves what Walsh's plan really is.
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11/5/2008  7:16 PM
The rebuiling started ( IMO) when we got curry and craw, relatively young guys with some potential, then we got Fry, ariza, nate, lee, mardy The guy from kentucky (can't ever remember his name) chandler. Except for ariza these were all first rounders. Thats 5 first rounders in 4 years. The fact that we gave up a couple of 1st rounders in the process as well has me thinking we have been rebuiling.

What Joe dumars is doing is retooling, getting under the cap and staying competitive. Just like we were doing with dave checketts and ernie grun. The problem with our rebuilding process is that were aren't picking up (ready to contribute) drafties, and curry and craw have probably reach there peak, and will either stay average or start to decline early because of all the loosing.

Steph was (imo) a good move, if allan stayed healthy. Curry was a good move if he didn't take such a giant leap backwards last year, and craw is a solid 6th man. The trade for ariza was the worse, and that set us back 3 years. All in all we have just been making bad decisions sought of like the once Horri-bulls.

I really haven't seen walsh make any block buster trades, he just luck up with O neal, and Isiah truely got that team back to respectabilty, but as usual he falls short of all his projects.
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