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oohah
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11/2/2008  9:41 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Carmelo Anthony

for

David Lee
Nate Robinson
Wilson Chandler
Malik Rose
$3 million

Unfortunately Supreme Cap'n, the Nuggets would have to have A) Enough roster spots for those guys, and B) Be stupid enough to make that trade.

oohah

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11/2/2008  9:44 PM
Posted by McK1:

that guy wearing the no. 3 tattoo might help...

*clean slate
*in shape
*willing to play the 2 in this offense
*still a guy that consistently draws the attention of every defender, thus consistently drawing attention away from guys like Chandler and Lee
*still one of the best penetrators
*still one of the best at drawing fouls and finishing
*****still under contract*****

The guy wearing the #3 Tat was the point guard for teams that won 23, 33, and 23 games the previous 3 years. Yeah, he would help a lot.
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11/2/2008  9:44 PM
we should've taken Speights
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11/2/2008  9:45 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Carmelo Anthony

for

David Lee
Nate Robinson
Wilson Chandler
Malik Rose
$3 million

Unfortunately Supreme Cap'n, the Nuggets would have to have A) Enough roster spots for those guys, and B) Be stupid enough to make that trade.

oohah

Agreed, but that's the best offer the Knicks can make for one "plyer to build around"
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11/2/2008  9:47 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by McK1:

that guy wearing the no. 3 tattoo might help...

*clean slate
*in shape
*willing to play the 2 in this offense
*still a guy that consistently draws the attention of every defender, thus consistently drawing attention away from guys like Chandler and Lee
*still one of the best penetrators
*still one of the best at drawing fouls and finishing
*****still under contract*****

The guy wearing the #3 Tat was the point guard for teams that won 23, 33, and 23 games the previous 3 years. Yeah, he would help a lot.

steph played 20 games last year.

however our starting 2 Crawful has played in and been leading shot taker in almost all of them

no coach has played Steph strictly at the 2. Lenny did it in spurts with Frank Williams and it worked.
Had a chance to do it again this year and IMO it would've made the team a lot more competitive

[Edited by - McK1 on 02-11-2008 9:49 PM]
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11/2/2008  9:55 PM
Posted by Uptown:


The guy wearing the #3 Tat was the point guard for teams that won 23, 33, and 23 games the previous 3 years. Yeah, he would help a lot.

Is he better than Duhon yes or no?

oohah


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11/2/2008  9:57 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Uptown:


The guy wearing the #3 Tat was the point guard for teams that won 23, 33, and 23 games the previous 3 years. Yeah, he would help a lot.

Is he better than Duhon yes or no?

oohah

He certainly and obviously has more talent, but he certainly never helped us win many games.
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11/2/2008  9:59 PM
So much wasted anger and emotion. It's a win win situation. If the team shows improvement GREAT! If not we get a lottery pick and keep building. I think that it is annoying how poorly Jamal has played. He has to get it together for this team to have a chance.

Duhon was also a big dissapointment, however I never saw him as anything more than the interim PG anyway. This is a necessary process tho. We must go thru the painful process of evaluation and establishing a new culture. Guys like Chan need PT so they can learn. We need to have them take their lumps this year, learn and grow.
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11/2/2008  10:01 PM
MDA has a poor record of developing rookies

It fits with NY's poor record of drafting them
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11/2/2008  10:02 PM
Posted by McK1:

MDA has a poor record of developing rookies

It fits with NY's poor record of drafting them

While I agree with your premise, but in Phoenix they were drafting at the very end of the 1st round every year.
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11/2/2008  10:05 PM
Posted by nixluva:

So much wasted anger and emotion. It's a win win situation. If the team shows improvement GREAT! If not we get a lottery pick and keep building.

It's not so simple. What were are geared for is ~36 wins and a *poorly positioned* lottery pick.

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As far as the current roster goes, what we have a a couple of glue guys that are trying to hold together a bunch of overrated lunatics. When your best players are glue guys you can bet you're stuck.
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11/2/2008  10:08 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Uptown:


The guy wearing the #3 Tat was the point guard for teams that won 23, 33, and 23 games the previous 3 years. Yeah, he would help a lot.

Is he better than Duhon yes or no?

oohah

He certainly and obviously has more talent, but he certainly never helped us win many games.

He did in his first half-season. That wass when Lenny Wilkens played him in a manner that exploited his talents properly. In other cases Marbury helped us lose a lot too.

However, I am tired of playing for idealism or trying to turn "X player" into this or that. I just want to see the coach/players/organization try to win some games. That is all I ask.

I'm not trying to be a snot to you, I'm just thinking out loud: Is that crazy?

oohah

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11/2/2008  10:10 PM
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Chandler could be a really good player?? Or maybe just good?//


How can this team even win 30 games unless they shoot 20 footers well

I kind of thought EC would be back to his 20-7 form and benefit from a more open system

We are small not very athletic with no shooting we had the 6th pick in the draft on a 23 win team and he doesnt see PT and that is the problem---we really have scked in the draft--we need to FIRE people associated with us drafting

This is no do over team rebuilding team its just a team that scks.
At least he has an excuse. He was HURT. He is still just getting back in shape. you need to give him 1-2 months at least to judge him. Let look at the other potntial picks with #6. Eric gordon-can't get time on a bad clipper team. Alexander-can't get any pt. Augustin-who knows if he would be long term answer? Bayless-can't get pt-NOT a point guard. Randolph-deep on the bench in GS-not ready fot prime time. Etc, etc, yada, yada--there really was no one out there as a guaranteed answer. sure now you say Lopez but how many of you at the draft wanted any of the guys I mentioned above? Hindsight is 20/20.
Hey I didn't mind Lopez at all either. Draft is always a crapshot. It is WAY too early to judge a rookie. Until Gallo play at least 20 mins a game then we can see a tasty of what is to come.
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11/2/2008  10:10 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Uptown:


The guy wearing the #3 Tat was the point guard for teams that won 23, 33, and 23 games the previous 3 years. Yeah, he would help a lot.

Is he better than Duhon yes or no?

oohah


Of course Marb is more talented than Duhon. Thats not the point. The point is, this team was so horribly constructed and put together that even if you inserted Marb into the lineup in place of Duhon, it wont help much. We still finish at the bottom of the Atlantic. Same as in the years past with Marb at the point.

Arguing about whether Marb should start or get playing time is way over blown. Our focus should be trying to get a legit 2 guard (Craw is a 6th man) and a legit post player who can play on both sides of the ball. Getting a legit pg is a concern, and definitely needs to be addressed, but Marb isn't the answer moving forward.
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11/2/2008  10:12 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Uptown:


The guy wearing the #3 Tat was the point guard for teams that won 23, 33, and 23 games the previous 3 years. Yeah, he would help a lot.

Is he better than Duhon yes or no?

oohah


Of course Marb is more talented than Duhon. Thats not the point. The point is, this team was so horribly constructed and put together that even if you inserted Marb into the lineup in place of Duhon, it wont help much. We still finish at the bottom of the Atlantic. Same as in the years past with Marb at the point.

Arguing about whether Marb should start or get playing time is way over blown. Our focus should be trying to get a legit 2 guard (Craw is a 6th man) and a legit post player who can play on both sides of the ball. Getting a legit pg is a concern, and definitely needs to be addressed, but Marb isn't the answer moving forward.

I agree with pretty much everything you say.

However, in the meantime, I just want to see the team put their best 5 on the floor and try to win some games. I don't think that is crazy, do you?

oohah

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11/2/2008  10:13 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:

MDA has a poor record of developing rookies

It fits with NY's poor record of drafting them

While I agree with your premise, but in Phoenix they were drafting at the very end of the 1st round every year.

most of their picks were in the early to mid 20's under MDA.

And there were player available Mike passed up because they didn't have a J like Rondo.

Tony Parker was thrilled

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11/2/2008  10:13 PM
Posted by McK1:

MDA has a poor record of developing rookie

It fits with NY's poor record of drafting them
Oh come on!!! So you think that what he's teaching our players about team ball is somehow not good for rookies to learn? There's nothing wrong with MDA's methods or system! The players must get better at making decisions and executing. The players must hit the many open shot MDA's system creates. If they hit at a decent clip we win games like this. It's that simple.

We also know that this is a flawed roster right now and we need to
Make some changes, but more importantly the guys we have must
Play better!!!

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11/2/2008  10:13 PM
Posted by oohah:


I'm not trying to be a snot to you, I'm just thinking out loud: Is that crazy?

Don't think anything of it oohah.

you make valid points and there's no doubting that it would be interesting to see what Marbury could do while playing for a real coach (MikeD) but we might just be teasing ourselves. Steph has all the talent in the world and he's just never put it together, I don't know why it would happen now.
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11/2/2008  10:16 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Uptown:


The guy wearing the #3 Tat was the point guard for teams that won 23, 33, and 23 games the previous 3 years. Yeah, he would help a lot.

Is he better than Duhon yes or no?

oohah

He certainly and obviously has more talent, but he certainly never helped us win many games.

I just want to see the coach/players/organization try to win some games. That is all I ask.

oohah
Agreed.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/2/2008  10:19 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by McK1:

MDA has a poor record of developing rookie

It fits with NY's poor record of drafting them
Oh come on!!! So you think that what he's teaching our players about team ball is somehow not good for rookies to learn? There's nothing wrong with MDA's methods or system! The players must get better at making decisions and executing. The players must hit the many open shot MDA's system creates. If they hit at a decent clip we win games like this. It's that simple.

Totally agree.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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