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10/30/2008  4:33 PM
king, my reference is to fact that you said you can't sign and trade a restricted free agent.
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Group I: The "Big 10" ETO or Player Option candidates


These are the players with an "early termination option (ETO)" or "player option (PO)" in their contracts, meaning they can opt to forgo the final year(s) of their deals and instead become unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2009. Here's the star-studded lineup:





1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (ETO)
Last summer, when Kobe was pining for a trade, it look as though he would tear up his contract in 2009 and likely leave the Lakers. Now, the Lakers are poised to be a serious championship contender for the next few years. You've got to believe Kobe's going to hang around for the ride.





2. Carlos Boozer, Jazz (PO)
Boozer is probably the biggest threat to leave his team next summer. He's had his eye on Miami for some time, and with some maneuvering, the Heat should be able to get far enough under the cap to deliver the dollars that Boozer is looking for.





3. Richard Hamilton, Pistons (ETO)
Hamilton is not expected to opt out of his contract. He turns 31 in February and is unlikely to earn more than the $11.6 million he's owed in the final season of his contract. More likely, the Pistons will work out some sort of extension with Rip.





4. Jermaine O'Neal, Raptors (PO)
There's virtually no chance of O'Neal opting out of his deal. He's owed a whopping $23 million in 2009-10 and there's no way he could get anything like that on the open market. O'Neal will be trying to work out some sort of contract extension if he can prove to the Raptors that he's healthy.





5. Mehmet Okur, Jazz (ETO)
Okur is also an unlikely candidate to opt out of his contract. He, too, would struggle to find more money on the open market. Like some of the other players on the list, his goal is to work out an extension.





6. Hedo Turkoglu, Magic (ETO)
After Boozer, Turkoglu is the candidate most likely to opt out. He's coming off a career year for the Magic, and if he can repeat his 2008 Most Improved Player performance (19.5 points per game), he should be able to cash in with a bigger deal next summer.





7. Jamal Crawford, Knicks (ETO)
It's hard to believe that Crawford would be willing to leave nearly $20 million on the table to opt out, but it's not inconceivable. If he has a big year playing for Mike D'Antoni, it might be worth the gamble. Crawford turns 29 in March and has never played for a winning team. If he thinks he could get a longer-term deal for a better team, it might be worth the risk.





8. Eddy Curry, Knicks (ETO)
Curry is in a similar situation to Crawford's. Right now he's worth less than what his contract is paying him, which means it's unlikely he'll leave so much cash on the table -- especially with a perceived heart condition. But the Knicks will be doing backflips if he decides to move on.





9. Anderson Varejao, Cavs (PO)
Varejao is another player who is quite likely to opt out. The relationship between Cavs GM Danny Ferry and Varejao's agent, Dan Fegan, is rocky, and unless Varejao has a terrible year, I think Fegan will try to get him moved to a team that's willing to pay him more.





10. Al Harrington, Warriors (PO)
Harrington is unlikely to opt out. He's making more money than his production suggests he deserves, and there will be just too much competition in the open market for Harrington to score a big deal next summer.


Other notables: Kyle Korver, Jazz (ETO); Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cavs (ETO); Ricky Davis, Clippers (PO); Kwame Brown, Pistons (PO); Etan Thomas, Wizards (ETO); Mark Blount, Heat (ETO).




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Group II: The restricted free agents

So far, only three players from the draft class of 2005 -- Andrew Bogut, Chris Paul and Deron Williams -- have signed extensions. It's possible more extensions are coming over the course of the next six weeks, but most of the players listed below will likely be restricted free agents next summer. As we've seen over the past few years, it's next to impossible for restricted free agents to move to a different NBA team: This summer, we didn't have one major restricted free agent sign with another NBA team. A few got so desperate they signed with European teams instead. Given the lack of teams with serious cap space next summer, don't expect things to change for restricted free agents.





1. Andrew Bynum, Lakers
If Bynum's surgically repaired knee is healthy and he comes back and builds on what he was doing last season before he got injured, he'll be a candidate for a max salary. There's no way the Lakers will let another team outbid them for Bynum as long as he's healthy; he's the future of the team.





2. Danny Granger, Pacers
Granger slipped on draft night three years ago because of concerns about a knee injury. But he's proven he should've been a top-six pick. Granger averaged more than 23 ppg for the Pacers over the last few months of last season. He's the Pacers' brightest hope right now, which means they'll likely have to give him a contract in the same ballpark as what Luol Deng or Josh Smith got this summer.





3. Marvin Williams, Hawks
Williams has as much raw talent as anyone in the class of 2005, but he's been frustratingly inconsistent in his first three years with the Hawks. He needs a big year if he wants to earn anything close to what Granger or Bynum might get next summer.





4. David Lee, Knicks
Lee is a fan favorite in New York and among coaches around the league. But what is he worth? It sounds like new head coach Mike D'Antoni is unsure if Lee is a great fit and the Knicks explored trading him this summer. Given the Knicks' goal of getting under the cap in 2010, Lee might be the best player on this list for another team to try to sign to an offer sheet. As long as it's a substantial deal, I doubt the Knicks would match.





5. Josh Childress, Hawks
Childress shocked many in the NBA by deciding to bolt for Greece this summer. If he plays well overseas, he'll be better positioned to get a bigger contract offer next summer. However, it seems unlikely that Childress will ever wear a Hawks uniform again. There's a lot of bad blood on both sides concerning what went down this summer.





6. Raymond Felton, Bobcats
Felton has to be looking over his shoulder after the Bobcats made a strong play for T.J. Ford and then drafted D.J. Augustin in the lottery. Felton can dish out the assists but his poor shooting has hurt his stock. If Augustin performs well this season, Felton will be another player some team can snag with an offer sheet.





7. Charlie Villanueva, Bucks
Villanueva has talent. The question has always been about his heart. With Yi Jianlian now playing in New Jersey, Villanueva should start seeing significant minutes this season. If he produces (and plays a little defense), he could land himself a big contract next summer.





8. Channing Frye, Blazers
After his first season with the Knicks, Frye looked like a star in the making, but his last two seasons have been much less impressive. Still, Frye is big, has some offensive skills facing the basket and is a decent rebounder. If he ever started playing defense, he'd certainly be considered a capable big man. The Blazers are looking for cap room next summer and Frye isn't part of their core group, which means he's also a good candidate to change teams next summer.





9. Nenad Krstic, Nets
Krstic was a borderline All-Star before an ACL injury set his career back. He's now off to Russia to prove that he's 100 percent healthy and ready to contribute. If he has a big year over there, NBA teams will come calling next summer. But will they be willing to offer him as much money as he can make in Europe?





10. Rashad McCants, Timberwolves
McCants is a good scorer and showed that he can be an excellent 3-point shooter. But it appears he's really more of a sixth man than a dominant 2-guard. With Mike Miller and Corey Brewer on board, McCants could see his production dip a bit this season.


Other notables: Jason Maxiell, Pistons; Nate Robinson, Knicks; Sean May, Bobcats; Martell Webster, Blazers; Linas Kleiza, Nuggets; Hakim Warrick, Grizzlies; Jarrett Jack, Pacers; Francisco Garcia; Kings; Luther Head, Rockets; Ramon Sessions, Bucks; Johan Petro, Thunder; Ike Diogu, Blazers; Jamario Moon, Raptors; Glen Davis, Celtics; Leon Powe, Celtics.




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Group III: The real, honest-to-goodness unrestricted free agents

Finally, here are the guys who will be on the market with no strings attached. While there is a lot of star power here, most of the big names are now on the back end of their careers.





1. Shawn Marion, Heat
Marion is a super-talented forward with the ability to score, defend and rebound. But he turns 31 in May and has seen his production slip the past two years. Even if he puts up big numbers in Miami this season, how much is a team going to be willing to spend on him, given his age and reputation for being difficult?





2. Allen Iverson, Nuggets
At the age of 33, Iverson continues to fill up the stat sheet with points, assists and steals. And, last season, AI posted his highest field-goal percentage and lowest turnovers per game since his second year in the league. He's still a dominant player, but two nagging questions will hurt his case for a big deal: One, with the exception of that magical season in Philly under Larry Brown, is Iverson a winner? Two, how much game does he have left? Still, Iverson has one thing going for him that Marion doesn't: He still sells tickets.





3. Ron Artest, Rockets
It's difficult to know where to place Artest on this list. If he stays on his best behavior and helps the Rockets get deep into the playoffs, he's going to make some money. He may not get four- or five-year offers, but teams will come calling if his time in Houston is a success. On the other hand, if Artest self-combusts, he's going to struggle to find anyone willing to give him more than a one-year deal next summer.





4. Lamar Odom, Lakers
Odom will be one of the most coveted free agents on the open market. Phil Jackson likes him, but with Kobe, Bynum and Pau Gasol on the roster, the Lakers don't need him and might explore trades for him in the coming months. Odom's penchant for disappearing in big moments (see: 2008 NBA Finals) hasn't helped his rep in L.A. But he is a great team guy, he can rebound the ball, he can initiate the offense and he doesn't need the ball to be effective. If he doesn't stick in L.A., there will be a line of teams waiting to snatch him up.





5. Rasheed Wallace, Pistons
'Sheed continues to be one of the most baffling players in the league. When he's on, he's one of the best big men in the game. When he's off … he can be way off. He turns 34 in September, which makes you wonder if he's still worth the risk. Short of him making a jump to Charlotte -- he and Larry Brown remain close friends -- is there any other team in the league that will be open to paying this guy?





6. Jason Kidd, Mavericks
Kidd continues to claim that the reports of his demise are exaggerated, but I'm not so sure. He's a 35-year-old point guard who really started to show his age last season. Rick Carlisle is going to try to get him turned around, but I'm not sure he's the right coach for the job. There will always be someone willing to give up some money for a point guard with eyes in the back of his head … but if Kidd continues to slip, I wonder if he'll be able to garner more than a midlevel deal next year, should Dallas decide to move on.





7. Andre Miller, Sixers
Miller, at the age of 32, had one of the best seasons of his career in 2007-08. While many (including me) were calling for GM Ed Stefanski to trade him to create more cap space, Stefanski held on to Miller and rode him to an unexpected playoff berth. Now with Elton Brand in the fold, the Sixers should be formidable. The team has been trying to get Miller locked up to an extension, and once Miller decides to hire an agent, he should move off this list.





8. Chris Wilcox, Thunder
We continue to use Wilcox and the word "upside" in the same sentence, but it's probably time for that to end. By now it is fairly clear what he is -- a super-athletic big man who still relies on dunks for a lot of his points. He is not a great defender and doesn't look like he'll ever be more than a solid contributor. But given the constant need for talented big men in the league, some team is going to want him. OKC is developing Jeff Green and Kevin Durant to be its frontcourt of the future, which should leave Wilcox looking for new digs next summer.





9. Mike Bibby, Hawks
Bibby was decent as the Hawks' starting point guard at the end of last season, but it's hard to see him making anything near what he's made the last few years. The Hawks are a young team still searching for a long-term answer at the point. Bibby is a nice stop-gap for 18 months, but I doubt he's got a long-term future in Atlanta unless he's willing to take much less next summer.





10. Drew Gooden, Bulls
Gooden is coming off the worst year of his career, and it couldn't be worse timing. With the Bulls still trying to develop young players like Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah, it's unclear what role Gooden will play this season. Still, he's a legit power forward who rebounds well. He may not be the headiest player in the league, but he is a talented 4.

u've been saying all along that 2010 was a pipedream & fans were morons for buying into the thought that a big money FA would change teams to come here... if there won't be a market for Lee because of some of these bigname FA's on the market next year, then u'r pretty much implying that cap flexibility of other teams will determine where D Lee lands next season.
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10/30/2008  4:37 PM
Posted by King1:

Joe Johnson was totally different Phoenix was going to sign him no matter what the offer sheet was so they decided to trade him insteadof having somewhere there that didnt want to be there. If you sign a player to a offer sheet you cant sign and trade him. If the Knicks were going to match anything then they could move him but if a team offers something and the Knicks match they cant trade him. Joe Johnson made it very clear he wanted out of Phoenix.
doesnt matter. All the Knicks have to do is let everyone know they will match. Then one of two things happens. Lee doesnt get offers driving his price down, or the team with cap space has to give us somethng to get him (like draft picks).

Either way Knicks are in a drivers seat. If they Knicks do match they can trade him Dec 15th if so inclined.

Lee's options as an RFA are very limited. Knicks have plenty.

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10/30/2008  4:41 PM
Lee will get offers and very nice ones and the Knicks wont match. If they do match that would be retarded because you could have gotten him a lot cheaper before he puts up numbers better than Bogut, Bynum and Biedrins this year. Everyone is talking the reason those guys have gotten so much money is because they are 7-0. The league is moving to smaller quicker guys.
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10/30/2008  4:53 PM
Posted by King1:

Lee will get offers and very nice ones and the Knicks wont match. If they do match that would be retarded because you could have gotten him a lot cheaper before he puts up numbers better than Bogut, Bynum and Biedrins this year. Everyone is talking the reason those guys have gotten so much money is because they are 7-0. The league is moving to smaller quicker guys.

tell that to the lakers.
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10/30/2008  4:57 PM
they got to the finals last year without a big and the celtics didnt have a 7-0 260 pound back to the basket five man. If Bogut, Biedrins, Bynum, Curry, Randolph are worth between 10-14 million Lee is worth 8-10 million. The avewrage salary for a top ten rebounder last year was 13 million the average for a 15 point scorer is 8 million. Lee will be top 5 in rebounding and in my mind is worth 50 if Bogut and Biedrins is worth 65-65.
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10/30/2008  7:58 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Many of those players will re-sign with their current teams (as you always point out).
because they do. And if thats the case than scratch half those teams with cap space. If the Pacers extend Granger and Mia brings back Marion then your looking at what 3-4 teams with space? One of them being Memphis where you say Lee doesnt want to go.

Those few teams with cap space may not re-sign their own players, though, if they want to be big players in the FA market.
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10/30/2008  8:00 PM
Lee gets a chance to start he will put up numbers and get paid by someone.
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10/30/2008  8:03 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I gave him the Joe Johnson example the other day. king is in a state of denial about Lee. I don't blame him.
yea.. thats another.

Knicks are in the drivers seat. Lee may be worth $10mm like Troy Murphy got. But the market for him is so limited. And he's the 3rd PF out there behind Boozer and Marion. Add to it he's a fun player but cant guard anyone and still limited offensively.

I can see him playing for QO next year like Ben Gordon
3rd best PF? I don't know about that. I think he'll have a stronger market value than an aging Shawn Marion.
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10/30/2008  8:34 PM
What the hell does Lee have to do with Bynum? Now Lee is considered to be a player of Bynum potential? Lee is a good player, but come on guys....

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10/30/2008  8:38 PM
If Lee is oh so guaranteed to put up nice numbers that would warrant a large contract....why would he sigh for less this year?
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10/30/2008  8:42 PM
Posted by Andrew:

If Lee is oh so guaranteed to put up nice numbers that would warrant a large contract....why would he sigh for less this year?

security. if you're looking for your first deal, you want it signed immediately in case of injury.
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10/30/2008  8:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Andrew:

If Lee is oh so guaranteed to put up nice numbers that would warrant a large contract....why would he sigh for less this year?

security. if you're looking for your first deal, you want it signed immediately in case of injury.
That's exactly what I was going to say.

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10/30/2008  8:58 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by King1:

Lee will get offers and very nice ones and the Knicks wont match. If they do match that would be retarded because you could have gotten him a lot cheaper before he puts up numbers better than Bogut, Bynum and Biedrins this year. Everyone is talking the reason those guys have gotten so much money is because they are 7-0. The league is moving to smaller quicker guys.

tell that to the lakers.

Lee's defensive weakness is my biggest issue... 10+ mil for a guy who simply can't guard anyone is absurd. We already have Crawford as our designated weak-link on defense; unless David shows major signs of improvement here, I'm not sure he's worth that kind of investment
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10/30/2008  9:47 PM
Lee would have probably signed for less. Now fans have to wait to see what the big do nothing until 2010 in hopes of a fairy tale ending does.
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The Lee fortune watch took a little hit tonight. -1
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10/31/2008  9:47 PM
Danny Granger just signed a 5 year extension w/the Pacers... news story has it between a $60-64 million dollar deal... i gotta believe Lee won't be able to ask for that level of money, probably more in the $50-55 million dollar range.
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Bynum is another center I really wanted. And for good reason. Our next draft HAS' to be for a center this time. It's gotta be a no brainer this time.
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10/31/2008  10:04 PM
Posted by King1:

they got to the finals last year without a big and the celtics didnt have a 7-0 260 pound back to the basket five man. If Bogut, Biedrins, Bynum, Curry, Randolph are worth between 10-14 million Lee is worth 8-10 million. The avewrage salary for a top ten rebounder last year was 13 million the average for a 15 point scorer is 8 million. Lee will be top 5 in rebounding and in my mind is worth 50 if Bogut and Biedrins is worth 65-65.

Yeah, but they also had one of the top stars of the NBA. Without him, they don't even get to the playoffs. Plus is showing that he can put some numbers up and he's actually worth paying some money to. 10-12 million, I'm not so sure, but he is showing consistency. Something Curry, Q, Craw, Jerome and a few others who have not. And they make way more then he has.

I like all the opportunist's who dive for a way to get rid of Lee. I hope he earns a new, expensive Knick contract and helps take us to a championship. I'd like to see some of you suffer as he excepts him NBA championship ring and congrats from the President. You'd really hate to see that one, wouldn't you.
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10/31/2008  10:06 PM
Posted by oohah:

What the hell does Lee have to do with Bynum? Now Lee is considered to be a player of Bynum potential? Lee is a good player, but come on guys....

oohah

Are you kidding?! Lee can take Bynum in 'thumb wresting' any day.
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