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oohah
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10/28/2008  2:25 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:


Hey man, I've been saying the same thing about former knicks childen... might as well call Oakley, Mase and Starks and see if their children want a spot.


If any of their kids are as good as Ewing we should put a call into all of them, hold tryouts and cut Roberson.

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10/28/2008  2:28 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by nyk4ever:


Hey man, I've been saying the same thing about former knicks childen... might as well call Oakley, Mase and Starks and see if their children want a spot.


If any of their kids are as good as Ewing we should put a call into all of them, hold tryouts and cut Roberson.

oohah

As good as Ewing? Come on oohah, you better than that. Ewing is not that good. What did Ewing display? A couple dunks? Every player Ewing's height in the NBA can dunk. NBA preseason is glorified summer leage, let's be real.
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10/28/2008  2:30 PM
Posted by King1:

Oohah my mom play better defense than Lee and has a better jumper than Ewing.

Let's sign her and cut Roberson!

oohah

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10/28/2008  2:32 PM
As good as Ewing? Come on oohah, you better than that. Ewing is not that good. What did Ewing display? A couple dunks? Every player Ewing's height in the NBA can dunk. NBA preseason is glorified summer leage, let's be real.

I am not under the illusion that Ewing is a "good" NBA player. I do think he is good enough to stick with a team as the last player on the bench which makes him a certain level of "good". And I think he is gooder than Roberson.

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10/28/2008  2:36 PM
Posted by oohah:
As good as Ewing? Come on oohah, you better than that. Ewing is not that good. What did Ewing display? A couple dunks? Every player Ewing's height in the NBA can dunk. NBA preseason is glorified summer leage, let's be real.

I am not under the illusion that Ewing is a "good" NBA player. I do think he is good enough to stick with a team as the last player on the bench which makes him a certain level of "good". And I think he is gooder than Roberson.

oohah

By what standards though? If you ask me, they both suck.
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10/28/2008  2:36 PM
Posted by Elite:
As for James, when asked about the fans' displeasure with him, Walsh tap-danced a bit, saying, "I have no background with Jerome James, except he did not play last year. [two games], so I understand the fans' thinking. he is under contract to us and we honor all our contracts.

"He's in the position that I've had other players in on this team: go out and prove yourself. It'll be up to him to prove it in practice."

i'm not gonna kill walsh for this, i hope for the best for jr's career and maybe we get him back on this team by next summer. but the "honor the contract" thing makes no sense to me. is jerome james honoring his side of the contract? if we weren't trying to go classy as an organization all of a sudden, i seriously wouldn't mind dragging his fat ass to court and see if him never doing **** to get in shape voids his side of the deal.
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10/28/2008  2:38 PM
Let me also state. I wouldn't have minded that Ewing was kept, I enjoyed watching him play and just sit courtside, but that **** means NOTHING to a coach and a GM in the NBA, nor should it. Their job is to build a team, not nostalgia.
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10/28/2008  2:56 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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shooting becomes a problem with Marbury potentially not being here through the whole season and with QRich and Gallinari and even Wilson Chandler looking like they might be injury issues every now and then through the season.

Roberson hasn't shown anything yet, but he fits a possible need. EwJr fit a need as well, but obviously one that's not as important to D'Antoni.

I'm upset that Junior is gone, too. But I think fans are overreacting on this one.

100% right.

I actually think fans are UNDER reacting. This is a bitch slap in the face to all fans, its not just that we cut him.. its how and why we cut him

Dude it's not a bitch slap to anyone. The Knicks cut a player that isn't that good, plain and simple, he's not that good. You can find a player that does what PEJ does by the dozen in the d-league. Ewing Jr. didn't even start for Georgetown, why everyone is making this more than it is is because he has the last name Ewing. As I said in another post, why don't we go out and find every player from the 94 team and see if their children are old enough to be in the NBA right now. If they are lets sign them because they have the last names of Starks, Mason, Oakley, Harper, Davis, etc etc. Nostalgia gets you nowhere. Theres a reason Ewing Jr wasn't drafted and theres a reason he'll be in the d-league this year... he's not that good.


Co-F*#*ing-sign I wouldn't have minded seeing Ewing stick, but he would have been rendered to having a dress-up contest with Jerome James on the end of the bench. He's a good athlete, but that about it. He can't shoot a lick, can't create and isn't a very good passer. I think Roberson on the roster is redundant, and personally, I woud have cut Roberson. But for everyone to be screaming about a bit player-that will have no impact on this team now or in the future-getting cut is going way too far.
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10/28/2008  2:58 PM
Posted by Elite:

Ewing Jr was drafted by Sac... I disagree that his nam means nothing... I think we saw how energized the Garden got vs. NJ.. it sparked a 20 point comeback with 6 min to go in the 4th.. I think Ewing Jr. is more valuable BECAUSE of his name. People keep saying "if he didnt have ewing on the back of his jersey, you wouldnt care"

EXACTLY! no ****! Thats the whole point, its patrick ewing Jr.. you keep him if he can play!!! and he can. He SHOULD get the nod because he brings INTANGIBLES and KARMA .. Invaluable.

He was also cut by Sacto.....Doubt anyone around the Sacto organization is screaming about cutting him. Maybe if his name was Valde Divac Jr., the fans would have hung the Maloofs in efergy.

Those intagibles you speak of would park themselves on the end of the bench right beside James all year.
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10/28/2008  2:59 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Elite:
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Posted by crzymdups:

shooting becomes a problem with Marbury potentially not being here through the whole season and with QRich and Gallinari and even Wilson Chandler looking like they might be injury issues every now and then through the season.

Roberson hasn't shown anything yet, but he fits a possible need. EwJr fit a need as well, but obviously one that's not as important to D'Antoni.

I'm upset that Junior is gone, too. But I think fans are overreacting on this one.

100% right.

I actually think fans are UNDER reacting. This is a bitch slap in the face to all fans, its not just that we cut him.. its how and why we cut him

Dude it's not a bitch slap to anyone. The Knicks cut a player that isn't that good, plain and simple, he's not that good. You can find a player that does what PEJ does by the dozen in the d-league. Ewing Jr. didn't even start for Georgetown, why everyone is making this more than it is is because he has the last name Ewing. As I said in another post, why don't we go out and find every player from the 94 team and see if their children are old enough to be in the NBA right now. If they are lets sign them because they have the last names of Starks, Mason, Oakley, Harper, Davis, etc etc. Nostalgia gets you nowhere. Theres a reason Ewing Jr wasn't drafted and theres a reason he'll be in the d-league this year... he's not that good.


Anthony Mason Jr. is at St. Johns....If we dont draft him, get ready for the fire Walsh serenade at the garden on draft night.
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10/28/2008  3:33 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:


By what standards though? If you ask me, they both suck.

Okay, Ewing doesn't suck as bad as Roberson then. Here is the standard:

Can Ewing block an NBA shot? I think so.

Can Roberson really get his shot off at the NBA level? I think not.

Can Ewing get a steal or jam it in someone's face at the NBA level? I think so.

Can Roberson do anything besides shoot at an NBA level? I doubt it.

Can Roberson galvanize the team, the crowd, etc. with a highlight play that gets everybody off the bench hooting and hollering? We know he can! Roberson? Not a chance.

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[Edited by - oohah on 28-10-2008 3:34 PM]
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10/28/2008  3:55 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by nyk4ever:


By what standards though? If you ask me, they both suck.

Okay, Ewing doesn't suck as bad as Roberson then. Here is the standard:

Can Ewing block an NBA shot? I think so.

Can Roberson really get his shot off at the NBA level? I think not.

Can Ewing get a steal or jam it in someone's face at the NBA level? I think so.

Can Roberson do anything besides shoot at an NBA level? I doubt it.

Can Roberson galvanize the team, the crowd, etc. with a highlight play that gets everybody off the bench hooting and hollering? We know he can! Roberson? Not a chance.

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[Edited by - oohah on 28-10-2008 3:34 PM]

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10/28/2008  4:12 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by nyk4ever:


By what standards though? If you ask me, they both suck.

Okay, Ewing doesn't suck as bad as Roberson then. Here is the standard:

Can Ewing block an NBA shot? I think so.

Can Roberson really get his shot off at the NBA level? I think not.

Can Ewing get a steal or jam it in someone's face at the NBA level? I think so.

Can Roberson do anything besides shoot at an NBA level? I doubt it.

Can Roberson galvanize the team, the crowd, etc. with a highlight play that gets everybody off the bench hooting and hollering? We know he can! Roberson? Not a chance.

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[Edited by - oohah on 28-10-2008 3:34 PM]

Ok and tell me how Ewing will have a chance of doing any of that when he's the 15man on the team and will NEVER, let me repeat NEVER see the court.
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10/28/2008  4:16 PM
Ewing would've been a good practice player and would've taken some of the pressure off Danilo. Could've been Danilo's best buddy and even gone to DLeague together. Now Danilo has nobody else to take the spotlight off him.
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10/28/2008  4:17 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:


Ok and tell me how Ewing will have a chance of doing any of that when he's the 15man on the team and will NEVER, let me repeat NEVER see the court.

I still want to know why this is a valid reason to drop Ewing.

Yet,

Is not a valid reason to drop Roberson? Why does stinking and not playing NOT apply to cutting Roberson?

I want to know why....

For the record I wanted to cut Malik and keep Roberson/Ewing. Yet Donnie says he only trades contracts. YAY! Can't wait for the next Crawful or Curry to join the Knicks as a result to Malik's extremely valuable expiring contract!!!!

eh....
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10/28/2008  4:19 PM
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If Jerome doesn't play then come January 23rd or so the Knicks can medically retire him. Insurance pays 80% of his contract. That would save Dolan around 8M dollars.

It's easy to see why they wouldn't dump Jerome but there is no explanation for keeping Malik Rose. "valuable expiring" doesn't cut it because we should not be looking to trade expirings for another Crawful or McCurry and that's exactly what you'd be getting.

Not if James claims he can play, which he has been insistent upon throughout. The insurance companies have recourse too and they'll do their damnedest not to pay. Maybe the hope is they'll split the difference but I know if I was the insurance company, I wouldn't pay dick, because James is medically fit to play basketball, he's just an ill-conditioned worthless sack of ****.

Yeah, I'm aware of what JAMES has said but I'm also aware of what every Knick coach has said about him over his 3 years here: HE CANT PLAY.

So, whose word matters?

Jerome is an idiot if he thinks he will get an NBA contract when this one concludes. So ya know what? You're so happy not playing? Then work with the Knicks to get your full money but save them with the medical retirement and then GO AWAY.

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10/28/2008  4:20 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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Ok and tell me how Ewing will have a chance of doing any of that when he's the 15man on the team and will NEVER, let me repeat NEVER see the court.

I still want to know why this is a valid reason to drop Ewing.

Yet,

Is not a valid reason to drop Roberson? Why does stinking and not playing NOT apply to cutting Roberson?

I want to know why....

For the record I wanted to cut Malik and keep Roberson/Ewing. Yet Donnie says he only trades contracts. YAY! Can't wait for the next Crawful or Curry to join the Knicks as a result to Malik's extremely valuable expiring contract!!!!

eh....

Dude read my posts. I never said its a valid reason to keep Roberson. All I'm saying is that both players suck and either one could have been dropped, in this case it was Ewing. Obviously Walsh/D'Antoni feel that Roberson will give them more. If they thought Ewing would give them more, they woulda kept him instead.

It's a complete wash though, both players suck.
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10/28/2008  4:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

[quote]Posted by oohah:


Ok and tell me how Ewing will have a chance of doing any of that when he's the 15man on the team and will NEVER, let me repeat NEVER see the court.

I honestly think Ewing has a better chance of seeing real game action than Roberson (In a sane world) if for no other reason than Q, Chandler, Galinari, and Lee to a certain extent all have health considerations.

However, if we consider both Roberson and Ewing to be blowout players, which is realistic, I'll take baby Ewing every time.

You devil's advocate you!

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[Edited by - oohah on 28-10-2008 4:32 PM]
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10/28/2008  4:42 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Cosmic:
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Ok and tell me how Ewing will have a chance of doing any of that when he's the 15man on the team and will NEVER, let me repeat NEVER see the court.

I still want to know why this is a valid reason to drop Ewing.

Yet,

Is not a valid reason to drop Roberson? Why does stinking and not playing NOT apply to cutting Roberson?

I want to know why....

For the record I wanted to cut Malik and keep Roberson/Ewing. Yet Donnie says he only trades contracts. YAY! Can't wait for the next Crawful or Curry to join the Knicks as a result to Malik's extremely valuable expiring contract!!!!

eh....

Dude read my posts. I never said its a valid reason to keep Roberson. All I'm saying is that both players suck and either one could have been dropped, in this case it was Ewing. Obviously Walsh/D'Antoni feel that Roberson will give them more. If they thought Ewing would give them more, they woulda kept him instead.

It's a complete wash though, both players suck.

I wasn't tasking you bud....I was tasking the general perception that Balkman was traded and Ewing was cut because they wouldn't get minutes and Donnie was just doing the right thing for them - BUT - when it comes to Roberson who is absolutely in the same boat as those two when it comes to minutes - the same evaluation seems to not apply.

I'm taking Donnie's word to task, no one elses... yeah I know on a message board it's tough to tell.
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10/28/2008  4:44 PM
Posted by oohah:



I honestly think Ewing has a better chance of seeing real game action than Roberson (In a sane world) if for no other reason than Q, Chandler, Galinari, and Lee to a certain extent all have health considerations.

However, if we consider both Roberson and Ewing to be blowout players, which is realistic, I'll take baby Ewing every time.

You devil's advocate you!

oohah

I'd find it hard pressed for anyone here to not want Gallo, Ewing, Roberson, Balkman --- over --- Malik, James, Fred Jones, Randolph Morris.






In that, I guess we wound up 2-2 over 4, seems about right in Knick land when .500 is the ultimate ceiling.
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