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10/26/2008  9:05 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

which gm would be willing to take on $17 mil for the 2010 season when it's a free agent bonanza? whoever trades for that contract should be fired. this is all bs. credit the knicks or zach's agent for trying to create a fake marketplace for his services. stop believing the gossip.
I think you'd have to include some sweatner too. Maybe Nate maybe just a future 1st round pick. People hate the idea of giving up assets just to get cap space but they'll hate the idea of missing out on Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Yao a lot more.

Very true. Let's like being trapped inside of 'trapped'.
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10/26/2008  9:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Detroit paper responds to NY paper's claims:
Saying no to Zach
You might have read in some of the New York papers that the Pistons were keeping an eye on the Knicks to see how Zach Randolph fits with Mike D'Antoni's system. The presumption being that if the Knicks look to move Zach, the Pistons would be interested.

Trust me, the Pistons are not interested -- not now, not later. The Pistons' scouts have known Zach for a long, long time and they know his talents and warts as well as anybody. Bottom line: There's too much baggage and too much contract for the Pistons to take that risk.
http://info.detnews.com/redesign/blogs/pistonsblog/index.cfm?blogid=1585

And that's pretty much how other cities talk about us. Thanks a lot freak'n Isiah!
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10/26/2008  9:13 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

which gm would be willing to take on $17 mil for the 2010 season when it's a free agent bonanza? whoever trades for that contract should be fired. this is all bs. credit the knicks or zach's agent for trying to create a fake marketplace for his services. stop believing the gossip.

1) If the GM believe they could win 1, maybe 2 titles by making the move. Detroit is closer than most, but I doubt Dumars believes Randolph is the player to put them over the top

2) If the GM currently runs the team who's players will be becoming Free agents, and is close to competing. With the window closing on the contracts, now is the time to surround that player with another star to help them get over the top while he's still on the team. Re-signing that player won't come down to cap space with the bird rule, it'll be about whether they have the cash available.
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10/26/2008  9:28 PM
there is no logical reason for any gm to take on zach's $17 mil in 2010. none...especially two full season before 2010.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-26-2008 9:29 PM]
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10/26/2008  9:28 PM
with that said, zach is the knicks primary post presence. trading him would make the team worse this year.
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10/26/2008  9:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

with that said, zach is the knicks primary post presence. trading him would make the team worse this year.

This is not a bad thing. Ricky Rubio as our new PG would look quite good.
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10/26/2008  9:39 PM
Not true, Rasheed Wallace is not a selfish ball hog. A headcase yes, prone to get in trouble yes, but he can still play reasonable defense and his shooting was never in question.

Rasheed may not be a selfish ball-hog, but he is a selfish player, in that he will get himself thrown out or pick up techs with no regard for his team.

I remember the Portland and Washington rasheed, and they were much better than the Pistons Rasheed. Pistons Rasheed is 75% fall away jumpers and 3 pointers. He should be totally holding down the interior because that team has no inside presence, but he is content to play like a small forward.

And that is why the Pistons are willing to move him for Randolph, who at least holds down the middle with rebounding and scoring around the hoop.

When the going gets tough, Wallace goes and gets 2 techs and heads to the showers!

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10/26/2008  9:40 PM
Then we're all just wasting our time talking about dead weight. As a matter of fact, I don't really know if there is anything worth talking about, as far as this team is concerned. The way I see it more and more, we are in hell another five years and all the super star contracts will be by gone, by the time we get a shot at anyone. I have been convinced of it finally.

Maybe Isiah **** head should have followed through on the pills. He couldn't even do that right.
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10/26/2008  9:50 PM
Posted by 4949:

Then we're all just wasting our time talking about dead weight. As a matter of fact, I don't really know if there is anything worth talking about, as far as this team is concerned. The way I see it more and more, we are in hell another five years and all the super star contracts will be by gone, by the time we get a shot at anyone. I have been convinced of it finally.

Maybe Isiah **** head should have followed through on the pills. He couldn't even do that right.

Bipolar much?

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10/26/2008  9:59 PM
Har Dee Har Har

"Trust me, the Pistons are not interested -- not now, not later. The Pistons' scouts have known Zach for a long, long time and they know his talents and warts as well as anybody. Bottom line: There's too much baggage and too much contract for the Pistons to take that risk."

Translation: the Sheed deal is in the works

First, Zach and Sheed are both problemmatic. So far, Zach looks like a model citizen under D'Antoni. Cool. He's younger and a great change of pace for the bad boy Pistons. Sheed has his moments, but he also offers a tasty alternative/compliment to Jamal Crawford from 18 feet out. Imagine the adjustments defenses will be forced to make with Gallinari and Sheed from outside.

The advantage is purely entertainment factor. Sheed, a prime time actor, under the bright lights of New York City is just too perfect. Besides, Sheed in the middle of the pre-game huddle, doing his war dance in The Garden, makes the video introduction hype obsolete.

The crowd will eat it up.



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10/26/2008  10:14 PM
3 years ago Wallace was what Randolph is now: A very good player with a bad rep. Then he jumped on a hot team that had some good breaks and his whole reputation changed around.

Wallace is what he is, and that is the same as what he was. Very talented, a complete headcase, and more concerned about himself than his squad.

The biggest differences between Wallace and Randolph are age and luck.

Remember, Wallace was Randolph's mentor!

Me no want Wallace. There is a reason the Pistons want to dump his ass. I don't want any more aging players who have definitely seen their best years either. I'd rather roll with Zach.

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[Edited by - oohah on 26-10-2008 10:16 PM]
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10/26/2008  10:15 PM
djsu - post presence? We don't need no steenkin' post presence!

The Knicks run a souped-up triangle - 6'11 Sheed and 6'8 Wilson Chandler running next to 6'10 Danilo will open up a lot of mad-crazy passing angles.
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10/26/2008  10:40 PM
Sheed is a perfect salary dump.

At this point in his career I don't know how much you can root for him ---- as he clearly has slacked his way around these days chucking 3s and not playing hard.

This guy could have been a SUPERstar but chose otherwise. Amazingly, as he slacked and wasted his time, he was still a damn good player.
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10/26/2008  10:59 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Sheed is a perfect salary dump.

At this point in his career I don't know how much you can root for him ---- as he clearly has slacked his way around these days chucking 3s and not playing hard.

This guy could have been a SUPERstar but chose otherwise. Amazingly, as he slacked and wasted his time, he was still a damn good player.

yea, it is a perfect salary dump. Sheed in his last year will play well,he wants another deal, he can still block shots and unlike zach, sheed can actually jump to contest shots.. The bright lights of MSG will be on him, and the fans won't let him slack, sheed has pride and he won't embarass himself. I would do the deal in a heartbeat..
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10/26/2008  11:12 PM
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Sheed is a perfect salary dump.

At this point in his career I don't know how much you can root for him ---- as he clearly has slacked his way around these days chucking 3s and not playing hard.

This guy could have been a SUPERstar but chose otherwise. Amazingly, as he slacked and wasted his time, he was still a damn good player.

yea, it is a perfect salary dump. Sheed in his last year will play well,he wants another deal, he can still block shots and unlike zach, sheed can actually jump to contest shots.. The bright lights of MSG will be on him, and the fans won't let him slack, sheed has pride and he won't embarass himself. I would do the deal in a heartbeat..

Yeah good points. He would probably be on his best behavior so to speak given the contract year....yet...at his age all he can expect is a 3-year-mle deal IMO. He ought to not Sprewell himself unless he's done with basketball.

Always liked Sheed but he, like Crawford, is so frustrating because he could have been SO MUCH better. Sheed could have been a SUPERSTAR.
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10/26/2008  11:34 PM
so many rumors & yet nothing ever gets done when it comes to dumping Zach
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10/26/2008  11:50 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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Sheed is a perfect salary dump.

At this point in his career I don't know how much you can root for him ---- as he clearly has slacked his way around these days chucking 3s and not playing hard.

This guy could have been a SUPERstar but chose otherwise. Amazingly, as he slacked and wasted his time, he was still a damn good player.

yea, it is a perfect salary dump. Sheed in his last year will play well,he wants another deal, he can still block shots and unlike zach, sheed can actually jump to contest shots.. The bright lights of MSG will be on him, and the fans won't let him slack, sheed has pride and he won't embarass himself. I would do the deal in a heartbeat..

Yeah good points. He would probably be on his best behavior so to speak given the contract year....yet...at his age all he can expect is a 3-year-mle deal IMO. He ought to not Sprewell himself unless he's done with basketball.

Always liked Sheed but he, like Crawford, is so frustrating because he could have been SO MUCH better. Sheed could have been a SUPERSTAR.

yea, but superstars have a different mindset, and usually you can see if they have that early. Guys like sheed and crawford never had it early which most likely means they won't have it late. In some guys you just can see it. Given crawford's and sheeds talent, if they had displayed that mindset earlier in their careers, sheed would still be with the wizards(then bullets) and craw with the bulls..
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10/26/2008  11:51 PM
Posted by TMS:

so many rumors & yet nothing ever gets done when it comes to dumping Zach

He's just such a hard guy to value... he's a 20 and 10 guy, which is just so incredibly rare and he has range, which makes him even rarer. But he doesn't play any defense and his attitude is for **** and (I think) he's only been on one playoff team and these issues are compounded by the financial commitment and, and, and...

So you have to discount him as a 20 and 10 guy, but by how much? Is he worth 90% of a 20 and 10? 75%? 25%? I'm sure no two GMs in the league would agree by how much. ANd some organizations change their mind. i mean, Portland essentially paid him like he was 90% of that and then traded him at 25%.
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10/26/2008  11:59 PM
when he was on the POR playoff team he played a minor role... when he became a mainstay in their offense the team took a steady decline... i think he's tremendously talented but like u said those stats just don't translate into wins for the teams he plays on for some reason... i dunno if it's the teams he's played on or the fact that he's just a stat padding type player, but that 20 & 10 label he gets placed on him is so misleading... he's not a true 20 & 10 guy... that would be someone like KG or Brand... plus those guys give u allstar calibre defense on the other end as well.
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10/27/2008  12:10 AM
Posted by tkf:

yea, but superstars have a different mindset, and usually you can see if they have that early. Guys like sheed and crawford never had it early which most likely means they won't have it late. In some guys you just can see it. Given crawford's and sheeds talent, if they had displayed that mindset earlier in their careers, sheed would still be with the wizards(then bullets) and craw with the bulls..

Yup the hunger just isn't there with them. Imagine Sheed with Ewing's hunger? HOF no doubt.

Crawford with Stark's hunger? He'd be an allstar.

This is what makes these guys SO FRUSTRATING. Yet they are what they are as you have said and I guess we just have to embrace that....or crap on it as I tend to do.

I can't help it, I grew up on Ewing's Knicks. To watch Curry and Crawford waste themselves out there after watching Ewing and Starks makes me sick because you just know the talent is there but the desire just does not seem to exist.

This is why over the past few seasons we have come to love guys like Ariza.... cause even though they stink they FIGHT like crazy to do well.
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