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10/24/2008  11:00 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by oohah:
I agree, except I thought the choice was between Jr., Roberson & James.

Between the three, James is an obvious choice to be cut. It should be a no-brainer.

Walsh won't cut James' salary. James expiring contract is probably worth more to the Knicks than Roberson.

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Dolan won't let Walsh cut James' salary.

Exactly! dolan is finally' being fiscally responsible.
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10/24/2008  11:02 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
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I agree, except I thought the choice was between Jr., Roberson & James.

Between the three, James is an obvious choice to be cut. It should be a no-brainer.

Walsh won't cut James' salary. James expiring contract is probably worth more to the Knicks than Roberson.

oohah

Dolan won't let Walsh cut James' salary.

Which once again proves how incredibly stupid Dolan is. He gave Isiah everything and Walsh nothing in this department.

Yeah, but incredibly, Isiah went out and jacked up the salary all over again, once dolan gave him a buyout. Iisah ruined it for Walsh if you ask me.
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10/24/2008  11:03 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Also, when they showed jr. warming up 3 hours before the game when no one else was on the court. He is a keeper. He is not his dad but it has been along time since I dropped everything and paid total attention to a Knick game for ten straight minutes. I used to watch every game from pregame thru post for a span of ten years and I would travel on vacation to watch games during the Ewing, Starks, Oak years. Seeing jr. out there brought back the feeling that I used to have when I felt like the Knicks could out work and out play any team on any night. I hope he makes it. James should be bought out if they cannot get him to retire.

How come no one else is knocking down the door for him then?
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10/24/2008  11:05 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
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If there is one more cut to make, no way Roberson should beat out ewing. We have enough small shooting guards and we need some insurance for our injury-prone swingmen.

On top of that ewing can really play defense and finish around the basket.

On top of that Ewing is just the better player.

On top of that he is Patrick Ewing Jr.

oohah

I agree, except I thought the choice was between Jr., Roberson & James.

Between the three, James is an obvious choice to be cut. It should be a no-brainer.

You guys still don't get it. dolan isn't buying anyone out. He said so himself. Jr. is a goner! The only way for a buyout to happen is if Jr. showed some super promise. Why sign Roberson to 800 thouw, and then get rid of him a month and a half later? And then what if they did' keep Jr. and he flops? The brass is out another 800 thousand and Jr. is yet another long line of bums.

When did Dolan say he wasn't buying anyone out?

A few months back. It was big news that he wasn't going to give Walsh any buyouts. Has any happened since Walsh took over? No, right?
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10/24/2008  11:13 PM
Posted by 4949:




A few months back. It was big news that he wasn't going to give Walsh any buyouts. Has any happened since Walsh took over? No, right?

I don't remember that. Do you have a link?
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10/24/2008  11:16 PM
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A few months back. It was big news that he wasn't going to give Walsh any buyouts. Has any happened since Walsh took over? No, right?

I don't remember that. Do you have a link?

Hmm, guess I'll have to research it. Anyone else remember this? Why do you want to know?
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10/24/2008  11:18 PM
He is a role player but in NY he has a nostalgic value. The Knicks are the Isiah Knicks, The Anucha Knicks, The Dolan Knicks. They used to be good and they used to be the Ewing Knicks. He is certainly better than Balkman and has a role on this team. He is not yet a rotation player but I think management thinks he can become that. He wasn't drafted by the Knicks. I am not saying that he is an all star but he is a guy with potential, character, an amazing work ethic, and ability. He also has a connection to one of the greatest players in the Knicks franchise history. Don't sell his talent, character, and heart short because he has the same name as his father but will never be a superstar. He can be an exciting rotation player and maybe more. Make the same argument in a convincing manner for Jerome James and I will never post here again.
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10/24/2008  11:18 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I didn't realize James contract was expiring.

It isn't expiring. He still has one more year at 6.6 million. It's a player option and it's his to drop if he wants to. But how can you just drop 6.6 million dollars of virtually free' money down the drain, knowing your a complete bum and no one else is going to pick you up? You don't!
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10/24/2008  11:24 PM
I don't remember anything written about Walsh not being able to do buyouts. It is now spoken about as Walsh's policy. I think Dolan is hesitant to buyout Steph because of his talent, the amount, and Isiah but I think he could be convinced. A link to the announcement of this policy would help.
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10/24/2008  11:28 PM
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A few months back. It was big news that he wasn't going to give Walsh any buyouts. Has any happened since Walsh took over? No, right?

I don't remember that. Do you have a link?

Hmm, guess I'll have to research it. Anyone else remember this? Why do you want to know?

Well it's just that I don't think Dolan ever said that. I also think certain players on this roster should be bought out.
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10/24/2008  11:30 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

He is a role player but in NY he has a nostalgic value. The Knicks are the Isiah Knicks, The Anucha Knicks, The Dolan Knicks. They used to be good and they used to be the Ewing Knicks. He is certainly better than Balkman and has a role on this team. He is not yet a rotation player but I think management thinks he can become that. He wasn't drafted by the Knicks. I am not saying that he is an all star but he is a guy with potential, character, an amazing work ethic, and ability. He also has a connection to one of the greatest players in the Knicks franchise history. Don't sell his talent, character, and heart short because he has the same name as his father but will never be a superstar. He can be an exciting rotation player and maybe more. Make the same argument in a convincing manner for Jerome James and I will never post here again.

I'm so sick and tired of Houston for one. I cannot even believe he had yet another' chance to try out for the roster. To be honest, I want to forget all about the Ewing, Starks, Spreewell, Houston eras. I want to start concentrating on the Lee, Chandler, Gallinari eras. We can't move on if we won't let go. It's not like we have some kind of a 'tradition' or anything like that. And the championships are just too far away for most to have even experienced here. We have to make our story now and into the future.
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10/24/2008  11:31 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by oohah:

Another thing I like about Ewing Jr. that really reminds me of his father is his fire. He really plays with emotion and he cares. He lays it on the line. He's got the pro body, I'd like to see if he can develop his game and take advantage of his physical gifts.

oohah

Jr. plays like his father? HA!

Reading is Fundamental.

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10/24/2008  11:32 PM
I was talking about jr.
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10/24/2008  11:34 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I don't remember anything written about Walsh not being able to do buyouts. It is now spoken about as Walsh's policy. I think Dolan is hesitant to buyout Steph because of his talent, the amount, and Isiah but I think he could be convinced. A link to the announcement of this policy would help.

No, no. I know from what I read that dolan will not let him do buyouts. Someone please back this up!

And spoken as 'Walsh's policy'? I never heard that one before. Anyone else here about non buyouts being Walsh's policy??
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10/24/2008  11:37 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I don't remember anything written about Walsh not being able to do buyouts. It is now spoken about as Walsh's policy. I think Dolan is hesitant to buyout Steph because of his talent, the amount, and Isiah but I think he could be convinced. A link to the announcement of this policy would help.

No, no. I know from what I read that dolan will not let him do buyouts. Someone please back this up!

And spoken as 'Walsh's policy'? I never heard that one before. Anyone else here about non buyouts being Walsh's policy??

I've seen the claim made, but no direct quotes. Besides, we're talking Jim Dolan here. Who knows what this idiot will do next. Though you may be right, he may do the stupid thing and [have Walsh] cut Ewing.



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They should keep Ewing if they have any interest in reconnecting with the fans.
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10/24/2008  11:40 PM
I will be surprised if Gallo plays more than 40 games this year. I don't think he will average over 20 minutes. I am not sure that he will have a career in the NBA. If he does make it he appears to be a C-Webb type without the rebounding, defense, or speed. The other guys that I think of are Don McLain and KVH but I think the Webber comparison is the closest. I do not think he will ever play a full season and I think there will be at least 12 guys taken after him who will have better and longer careers.
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10/24/2008  11:46 PM
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A few months back. It was big news that he wasn't going to give Walsh any buyouts. Has any happened since Walsh took over? No, right?

I don't remember that. Do you have a link?

Hmm, guess I'll have to research it. Anyone else remember this? Why do you want to know?

Well it's just that I don't think Dolan ever said that. I also think certain players on this roster should be bought out.

Aside from whether he said it or not, we simply cannot continue to keep buying out players, when they don't work out. They tried it before and it failed.

They picked up the rest of Larry Johnson's 12 years, 84 million dollar contract and then had to eat the rest of his salary because he could no longer play, because of a bad back. Same with Houston. Six year, 100 million and he didn't finish either. And then there was the Brown contract and basic buyout, Jalen Rose contract and buyout. I believe they had to do the same for Luc Longley also. And then Anucha case cost what' 11 million?

It's just way, way, way too much money dolan lost and to keep doing it would mean losing even more. Not happening and if it did' then I'd be the most surprised person on earth. Fiscally, it just isn't sensible to go that route anymore.
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10/24/2008  11:49 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I will be surprised if Gallo plays more than 40 games this year. I don't think he will average over 20 minutes. I am not sure that he will have a career in the NBA. If he does make it he appears to be a C-Webb type without the rebounding, defense, or speed. The other guys that I think of are Don McLain and KVH but I think the Webber comparison is the closest. I do not think he will ever play a full season and I think there will be at least 12 guys taken after him who will have better and longer careers.

I'm beginning to wonder if he'll even play one game. I mean what is up with this rook already? Damaged goods?
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10/24/2008  11:49 PM
Three Walsh quotes within the past month:

"I'm not going to put (Dolan) in that position," Walsh said. "It's my fault if that happens."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/09/27/2008-09-27_for_good_of_knicks_cant_get_rid_of_steph.html

"I can only tell you this," he said. "I was doing this in Indiana for a long time and I can't ever remember buying out a contract. I did it through trades. (Buying players out) just isn't good management."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/09/26/2008-09-26_donnie_walsh_mike_dantoni_stephon_marbur.html

"He is coming to training camp. We have not approached Stephon about a buyout."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09242008/sports/knicks/hous_back__steph__too_____for_now_130459.htm

If there was a public mandate from Dolan, why is Walsh talking like these buyouts are his decision?
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