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10/23/2008  3:40 PM
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10/23/2008  3:54 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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just say no to Larry Hughes

The reason to get Larry Hughes is his expiring contract (next year) not for any other reason.

Just to note, I doubt Larry Hughes is going anywhere anytime soon.

from the Chicago Tribune..
Bulls guard Larry Hughes will miss six-to-eight weeks of action after dislocating his shoulder in Wednesday night's preseason win over the Timberwolves.
He dislocated his right shoulder late in the third quarter. Team sources claim that surgery can be avoided, but more tests will be conducted on Thursday and Friday.
"It's definitely tough because I was getting my touch back," Hughes said. "I've had different injuries before, so I'll figure what I need to do with rehab to get 100 percent healthy. I'm confident I can do that."
He could retire for medical reasons and I wouldn't care. I'd still do the above trade.
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10/23/2008  6:49 PM
u can't trade for injured or retired players.

that said if Hughes hadn't gotten injured i'd make that deal in a heartbeat... not too crazy about Ty Thomas but getting that last year off Zach's contract would be huge & TT can at least block shots & run the floor, & i'd much rather see him getting minutes than a scrub like Jared Jefferies.
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10/23/2008  7:03 PM
I don't know if Im still press to get rid of zach, especially if he becomes an all star this year. I mean getting rid of a all star so we can get a super star is not what it's all crack up to be. Weather it be LJ, Wade, Bosh, who ever we have the oppertunity to get, will not want to sign with a team full of role players, so keep that in mind. One super star does not equal instant success, and it becomes a hell ve a process trying to find the right complimentry players, and balancing out the roster.
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10/23/2008  7:05 PM
Posted by TMS:

u can't trade for injured or retired players.

that said if Hughes hadn't gotten injured i'd make that deal in a heartbeat... not too crazy about Ty Thomas but getting that last year off Zach's contract would be huge & TT can at least block shots & run the floor, & i'd much rather see him getting minutes than a scrub like Jared Jefferies.

You can't trade for an injured player? That's news to me. I thought players had been traded many times while still on the inactive list. I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. As for retired players, I meant I wouldn't care if he had to retire after we got him and never was able to play a game even if he was still on the inactive list when we got him.
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10/23/2008  7:49 PM
I like the idea of breaking up Zach's contract, to make it more manageable.

Which deal do you guys prefer? One that waits until Zach's last year + 17 mil., to make a deal, so there's not much commitment for another team?

Or make a deal now, even though another team will have him for 2 to 3 years, plus the 14, 16 and 17 million dollar contract the rest of the way?

Personally, I think waiting two years to offer him up for dividing new contracts and one year left is much more attractive, but waiting could be a bit of a risk also. What do you's think if it comes to either one of these?
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10/23/2008  7:52 PM
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Lopez is going to be a defensive force in NJ.

That's who I wanted initially. Thought passing on a center was a mistake.
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10/23/2008  7:54 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

u can't trade for injured or retired players.

that said if Hughes hadn't gotten injured i'd make that deal in a heartbeat... not too crazy about Ty Thomas but getting that last year off Zach's contract would be huge & TT can at least block shots & run the floor, & i'd much rather see him getting minutes than a scrub like Jared Jefferies.

You can't trade for an injured player? That's news to me. I thought players had been traded many times while still on the inactive list. I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. As for retired players, I meant I wouldn't care if he had to retire after we got him and never was able to play a game even if he was still on the inactive list when we got him.
I don't think you can cut an injured player...

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10/23/2008  7:54 PM
Posted by martin:

As much as I would like to move Zach for the long term betterment of the team, I don't like Hughes... we already got crawford.

But I think the point of the move is to break Zach's contract up (why the bulls want to help us do that is beyond me) and if we can't use Hughes, then at least his contract will be a little more flexible than Zach giant contract.
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10/23/2008  8:14 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

u can't trade for injured or retired players.

that said if Hughes hadn't gotten injured i'd make that deal in a heartbeat... not too crazy about Ty Thomas but getting that last year off Zach's contract would be huge & TT can at least block shots & run the floor, & i'd much rather see him getting minutes than a scrub like Jared Jefferies.

You can't trade for an injured player? That's news to me. I thought players had been traded many times while still on the inactive list. I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. As for retired players, I meant I wouldn't care if he had to retire after we got him and never was able to play a game even if he was still on the inactive list when we got him.
I don't think you can cut an injured player...
OK but I didn't say anything about cutting players
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10/23/2008  8:52 PM
Posted by TMS:

u can't trade for injured or retired players.

that said if Hughes hadn't gotten injured i'd make that deal in a heartbeat... not too crazy about Ty Thomas but getting that last year off Zach's contract would be huge & TT can at least block shots & run the floor, & i'd much rather see him getting minutes than a scrub like Jared Jefferies.

Congratulations TMS, on your 19,000 hit!!!
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10/23/2008  9:02 PM
lol... i dunno whether to be happy or embarassed about that but thanks bro.
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10/23/2008  9:07 PM
Posted by TMS:

lol... i dunno whether to be happy or embarassed about that but thanks bro.

How does it feel to be the mostist' one without a life??
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10/23/2008  9:10 PM
damn good.
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10/23/2008  9:13 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

I don't know if Im still press to get rid of zach, especially if he becomes an all star this year. I mean getting rid of a all star so we can get a super star is not what it's all crack up to be. Weather it be LJ, Wade, Bosh, who ever we have the oppertunity to get, will not want to sign with a team full of role players, so keep that in mind. One super star does not equal instant success, and it becomes a hell ve a process trying to find the right complimentry players, and balancing out the roster.

Dont see Zach becoming an allstar, but even if he is, you still need to move him or Lee. the Zach and Lee combo kills us defensively and doesn't help much offensively when we go up against quick, long defensive players.

Id do this trade in an NY minute even with an injured Hughes.
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10/23/2008  9:18 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by knicks1248:

I don't know if Im still press to get rid of zach, especially if he becomes an all star this year. I mean getting rid of a all star so we can get a super star is not what it's all crack up to be. Weather it be LJ, Wade, Bosh, who ever we have the oppertunity to get, will not want to sign with a team full of role players, so keep that in mind. One super star does not equal instant success, and it becomes a hell ve a process trying to find the right complimentry players, and balancing out the roster.

Dont see Zach becoming an allstar, but even if he is, you still need to move him or Lee. the Zach and Lee combo kills us defensively and doesn't help much offensively when we go up against quick, long defensive players.

Id do this trade in an NY minute even with an injured Hughes.

One problem. With the season starting tomorrow, and one more roster spot to be filled, before the last cuts, how can we bring two more guys along and have it all done and said by game time? You can't. Maybe the bulls should have done this at least a week ago. But then again, maybe they didn't have time to realize that they needed the very valuable, highly sought after, high in demand 'Mr. Zach Randolph'.
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10/24/2008  10:08 AM
Do you guys really find this rumor credible? Wasn't there an exact rumor in July regarding Zach to the Bulls? This is nothing new and I fail to find anything concrete on the matter.
Evening Scoop: Randolph and the Bulls?

By:Bill IngramLast Updated: 10/23/08 4:44

Yes, there's an internet report floating around that suggests that the Chicago Bulls are interested in Zach Randolph. It even goes so far as to say the deal would get done if the Bulls only had something of interest to offer the New York Knicks.

It's easy to see an element of truth here, as anyone who's seen a Bulls preseason game knows the one thing missing is a low post threat. Sure, Drew Gooden is a worthy starter and his shooting touch makes him a difficult match-up for traditional centers, but at the end of the day the Bulls still need someone who can do some damage in the paint and grab double-digit rebounds night in and night out.

As of right now they don't have anyone who fills that bill.

Now, the suggestion that the Bulls have nothing to offer the Knicks is simply absurd. They have two power forwards who could start, and while Tyrus Thomas has been a monster in preseason and will begin 2008-09 in the starting rotation, Joakim Noah is certainly someone who could help the Knicks, and there are some throw-ins that could be worked to make the numbers work.

If the report we're seeing is true, and we all know the Knicks are committed to trading Randolph, it seems reasonable to think something could get done fairly quickly. The Bulls have plenty of pieces, and could even involve a third team if necessary.


Sounds like a huge speculative article, no? With absolutely no factual information?

Also, at this point in time, I gotta say as much as I wanted Zach gone that Walsh has done the right thing so far. It's Crawford and Curry who do not fit this system and need to go. Zach has been a beast.

As much as I think a full stripping of the roster and starting over is probably the way to go the bottom line is you can't just completely SUCK as a team and expect anything positive to come of it either. Trading Zach we'd be 1-5 in preseason so far I bet. Sad but likely true.

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10/24/2008  11:44 AM
Zach's trade value may be a little higher than it was when Donnie turned down the Memphis deal and if he keeps playing well, his trade value will continue to rise. So Donnie did well to wait.
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10/24/2008  8:09 PM
No thank you... this deal is terrible. Hughes stinks and Thomas, at best, is 25% of what most though he'd be. I mean, even if Thomas becomes half the player most thought he'd be, the Knicks then sign him to a long-term deal. I don't see how the instant relief + a massive trade exception is worse than taking on a bunch of crap.

Zach is a headcase and one of the most discounted 20-10 players ever. If I were another team, I wouldn't give up too much for Zach. But that doesn't mean they should give him away to be the 20-10 second banana to Derrick Rose and a team they might be fighting for a playoff spot with (best case).
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10/24/2008  8:29 PM
Even if TT gets an extension, it wouldn't take effect until 2011/12 and it certainly won't be for the $17 mil/year Zach is getting, unless TT turns out to be a superstar.
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