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nyk4ever
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10/21/2008  2:52 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

1. Who cares about Larry Brown? That was 3 -count'em - 3 seasons ago.
2. Larry Brown did not destroy the Knicks, Isiah Thomas did.
3. Knicks sucked with Larry and sucked without Larry. They will still suck this year.
4. Larry may be an ass but he's a damn good coach. I do think the game has passed him by though.
5. Move the hell on already.

Spot on, GKF.
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10/21/2008  3:23 PM
2. Larry Brown did not destroy the Knicks, Isiah Thomas did.

How is it possible to destroy that which is already destroyed? That is like saying the next president destroyed the economy. It may not have hit rock bottom yet but it is already well on its way. Similarly, the Knicks were already well on their way to the toilet when Isiah got here, and that is a fact.

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10/21/2008  3:29 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by GKFv2:

1. Who cares about Larry Brown? That was 3 -count'em - 3 seasons ago.
2. Larry Brown did not destroy the Knicks, Isiah Thomas did.
3. Knicks sucked with Larry and sucked without Larry. They will still suck this year.
4. Larry may be an ass but he's a damn good coach. I do think the game has passed him by though.
5. Move the hell on already.

Spot on, GKF.

We dont have Trevor Ariza because of LB--he called him delusional. Atleast IT drafted Nate Lee and Chandler
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10/21/2008  3:33 PM
Posted by oohah:
2. Larry Brown did not destroy the Knicks, Isiah Thomas did.

How is it possible to destroy that which is already destroyed? That is like saying the next president destroyed the economy. It may not have hit rock bottom yet but it is already well on its way. Similarly, the Knicks were already well on their way to the toilet when Isiah got here, and that is a fact.

oohah

Please stop defending Isiah. That kind of stuff grinds my gears.

Isiah had the chance to rescue the Knicks from the toilet. People say "he had nothing to work with" yet managed to trade expiring contracts and draft picks for Marbury, Crawford, Curry and the rest. The dude was making like 2 trades a year. Clearly he had something to work with. The problem is he never developed a plan and just kept trading for "talent" and hoped they could all play together. When he first got here he said he wanted to rebuild, then a year later he says you can't rebuild in NY (after he traded everything and the kitchen sink for Dickbury), then he flip flops back and forth all those years until last year where he pretended like he knew the team would suck and that they were "building a foundation" with this team. He's a liar, a loser, and a miserable failure here in NY. Scott Layden did damage. Isiah Thomas took any glimmer of hope and took a dump on it, Eny style. Larry Brown was just part of the failure of Isiah Thomas.
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10/21/2008  3:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by GKFv2:

1. Who cares about Larry Brown? That was 3 -count'em - 3 seasons ago.
2. Larry Brown did not destroy the Knicks, Isiah Thomas did.
3. Knicks sucked with Larry and sucked without Larry. They will still suck this year.
4. Larry may be an ass but he's a damn good coach. I do think the game has passed him by though.
5. Move the hell on already.

Spot on, GKF.

We dont have Trevor Ariza because of LB--he called him delusional. Atleast IT drafted Nate Lee and Chandler

Oh no, not all-star Trevor Ariza! What would we do without him?
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10/21/2008  3:37 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by GKFv2:

1. Who cares about Larry Brown? That was 3 -count'em - 3 seasons ago.
2. Larry Brown did not destroy the Knicks, Isiah Thomas did.
3. Knicks sucked with Larry and sucked without Larry. They will still suck this year.
4. Larry may be an ass but he's a damn good coach. I do think the game has passed him by though.
5. Move the hell on already.

Spot on, GKF.

We dont have Trevor Ariza because of LB--he called him delusional. Atleast IT drafted Nate Lee and Chandler

And we don't have Andrew Bynum because IT thought Frye was worth the 7th pick.
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10/21/2008  4:16 PM
Both Zeke and Brown can go to hell for all I care...I dont know why people pit one against the other. The only difference between the two is that the media has been obsessed with promoting and positioning LB as some sort of class act, when insurmountable evidence to the contrary exists.
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10/21/2008  4:21 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by GKFv2:

1. Who cares about Larry Brown? That was 3 -count'em - 3 seasons ago.
2. Larry Brown did not destroy the Knicks, Isiah Thomas did.
3. Knicks sucked with Larry and sucked without Larry. They will still suck this year.
4. Larry may be an ass but he's a damn good coach. I do think the game has passed him by though.
5. Move the hell on already.

Spot on, GKF.

We dont have Trevor Ariza because of LB--he called him delusional. Atleast IT drafted Nate Lee and Chandler

Oh no, not all-star Trevor Ariza! What would we do without him?

he's starting over Odom in LA. we're starting a broken down QRich at SF. that's what we'd do without him, start a broken down QRich.
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10/21/2008  4:22 PM
Please stop defending Isiah. That kind of stuff grinds my gears.

It has nothing to do with defending Isiah. It is an accurate recap of reality.
Isiah had the chance to rescue the Knicks from the toilet.

There you go, you admit they were already in the toilet. Whether or not he failed to rescue them they were already in the toilet. You can check their record out here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

"Failing to rescue" is not the same as "destroying". They are very different actually.

I could not care less about Isiah Thomas. I never wanted him here actually. But accurately speaking, the destruction of the Knicks started when we traded Ewing for Vin Baker and Glenn Robinson.

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[Edited by - oohah on 21-10-2008 4:23 PM]
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10/21/2008  4:28 PM
Can we just amend number 2 to:

2. Larry Brown did not destroy the Knicks, Isiah Thomas and Scott Layded did.

and then be done with it.
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10/21/2008  4:31 PM
Posted by oohah:
Please stop defending Isiah. That kind of stuff grinds my gears.

It has nothing to do with defending Isiah. It is an accurate recap of reality.
Isiah had the chance to rescue the Knicks from the toilet.

There you go, you admit they were already in the toilet. Whether or not he failed to rescue them they were already in the toilet. You can check their record out here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

"Failing to rescue" is not the same as "destroying". They are very different actually.

I could not care less about Isiah Thomas. I never wanted him here actually. But accurately speaking, the destruction of the Knicks started when we traded Ewing for Vin Baker and Glenn Robinson.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 21-10-2008 4:23 PM]

Actually in this case he did destroy them because he took a team so low on the totem pole and managed to put it farther underground, probably reaching the equator. He made **** into complete and utter pathetic laughingstock **** and it takes a lot of sucking to do that.
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10/21/2008  4:37 PM
Finding someone to blame is off point in my opinion. There are so many guilty parties here. The truth is that you are both right. Oooh Aah is correct when he said this started with the Ewing trade. When an organization did not bleive that the trading of a franchise star was the time to rebuild. When an organization felt that Allan Houston and Spree had the talent to lead us to titles based on them getting hot in the playoffs. This is what started the downfall. But GKF is right as well. Isiah took us to new depths. He not only failed miserably on the court. But he changed us from a running harmless joke to an absolute embarrassment of an organization. Layden and him were both bumbs. We should move on from them as we should move on from LB. Time to turn the page
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10/21/2008  6:36 PM
Ewing wasn't traded for Glenn Robinson...who was I thinking of?

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10/21/2008  6:45 PM
Ewing wasn't traded for Glenn Robinson
Or Vin Baker. He was traded for Glen Rice, Luc Longley Travis Knight, Vladimir Stepania, Lazarro Borrell, and a 1st round pick(I think).

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 10-21-2008 6:45 PM]
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10/21/2008  8:05 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Ewing wasn't traded for Glenn Robinson
Or Vin Baker. He was traded for Glen Rice, Luc Longley Travis Knight, Vladimir Stepania, Lazarro Borrell, and a 1st round pick(I think).

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 10-21-2008 6:45 PM]

Yes, you are correct. I think he was supposed to be traded for Vin Baker, but he vetoed it or something along those lines. What a mess! We should have just let him expire and try his luck on the free agent market.

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10/21/2008  11:49 PM
If Dumars had listened to LB the Pistons would have Melo. I wouldn't judge the Augustine pick yet. Everyone was very down on Lopez pre draft and it didn't make sense. I think he was a steal for the Nets but I also think Augustine could be a great nba player and I wish the Knicks had gotten either of these guys. I think if you are going to criticize Brown's draft you need to take a close look at the unkown 19 year old taken with the highest pick the Knicks have had in decades. A 19 year old with a back injury that has him unable to play for 4 plus months is a concern. When you consider that he already was expected to not live up to his draft status and that announcers and reporters are speculating that he should play in the NBADL, I think it is wrong to speculate on the failure of other teams drafts/front offices.
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10/22/2008  12:04 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

For someone to suggest that Brown hasn’t gotten his way already, though, would be erroneous. On draft night in June, sources said, Jordan and general manager Rod Higgins had decided to take Stanford 7-footer Brook Lopez with the ninth pick. There was even a call made out of the Charlotte war room to send word to Lopez’s representatives that commissioner David Stern would soon be calling his name at Madison Square Garden.

Despite the fact that Texas point guard D.J. Augustin never worked out for the Bobcats, Brown still wanted to pick him. He was down on Raymond Felton, the ex-Tar Heel guard, and used the final moments until the pick was due to lobby his bosses for Augustin.



They couldve had Lopez and Okafor as a 5-4 foundation yet they took Tyron Lue and a stiff from France. MJ shouldve went with his gut and first inclination there because ultimately LB just wants to get paid and cause problems and it will reflect back on MJ and he had it right for the first time with Lopez. LB is long since past his time.

Wait a minute. This means MJ was 'stupid' enough to pick what Brown wanted? MJ is a dumb man. I don't see how Brown ruined the Bobcats??
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/22/2008  12:12 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I mean not matter what else---locking up Lopez and Ok4 as a 4-5 sets the foundation for a LONG time. You can put Ok4 back into the position he is supposed to be 4 he is 6-8 not 6-10 and next to him you have the next Tim Duncan type player? They could figure out everything else later. The two guys that teams 1-9 are going to be crying about is Lopez and Mcgee.

Weren't you one of the people who was making the case that Lopez was overrated?
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10/22/2008  12:13 AM
Larry Brown rules!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/22/2008  10:55 AM
Jordan's Draft record is not all that great.

Give the coach what he wants and believe in him until your fire him or he retires.

Larry was the right man for the wrong job here in NY.

A fundamentally weak team crumbles in the face of an old school teacher like Larry.
He was the wrong man for the knicks. He was corrupted by the money to even take the job, or promised he could restructure the roster. That would make Isiah look stupid if done.

Its all behind us. The records speak for themselves.

Layden is off the hook for Isiahs mess.
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