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Knicksfansince94
Posts: 20615 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 10/7/2008 Member: #2261 |
10/17/2008 3:21 AM
I agree with Eny and his video, this kid is playing grown men in that ****, bro! He's going to surpass both Dirk and Toni.
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franco12
Posts: 34069 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
10/17/2008 7:34 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander: I am pretty sure that is what was in the news- that his back had been bothering him before summer league. damaged goods would imply his back is irreparably damaged - and I don't think that is the case. But, I suppose we will see. This is what happens when prospects do the 'individual' work outs. |
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
10/17/2008 8:26 AM
Posted by 4949:I thought you were going to see he'd take Q's spot because we'll need someone to fill the "chronic bad back category" once Q's contract runs out.Posted by nixluva: |
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Pharzeone
Posts: 32183 Alba Posts: 14 Joined: 2/11/2005 Member: #871 |
10/17/2008 1:34 PM
You guys kill me with these EL videos. The best people to talk about playing in the EL vs. the NBA are guys who actually did. Dirk when asked about it, said it was like night and day. He said he was warned about how much more physical the NBA was but still wasn't prepare. The guy described his rookie season as brutal because his body was sore all the time and the schedule wouldn't allow for him to completely recover. Dirk had to put on serious weight and train his body in the off season just to keep up. Dirk didn't have a medical condition coming in to the league. Gallinari has a cranky back and will be playing in a more physical conference. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that doesn't bode well for his body. The Knicks have screwed many players up physically over the years, he isn't ready for the rigors of the post in the NBA.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
10/17/2008 2:58 PM
Posted by Pharzeone: Look, I'll be the first one to tell ya that you can't put too much stock in these Youtube highlight videos. Remember the one that makes Jeffries look like an all-star?? Exactly.. We all know better. Now having said that, let's talk about this Gallinari video for a sec. I agree with Eny, this is the best, most complete clip of this kid out there. I've watched this many times, like I'm sure most of you have as well. Two important things stand out for me when analyzing this video - (1) It's a lengthy clip, over 10 mins. in fact, so it's a very good sampling of what he can do offensively - it's not one of these 2, 3 min. clips of all circus shots where it's hard to gauge the player's overall talent level. On the contrary, you really come away with a real feel for his game after watching this clip. (2) If you watch the video carefully, you'll notice it's the same few plays he executes to perfection over and over and over again, indicating a good amount of consistency and polish to his game which is rare at his age. Specifically, it repeatedly shows Gallo shooting it well with a quick release and deep range from anywhere on the court, including a nice step back move to free himself up. It shows him continuely taking it strong to the rim time after time after time with an above average first step. Quite a few times it shows him grabbing a rebound and going coast to coast for a score or a foul, showcasing his above average handle in the process. It shows multiple times that he's got a real polished up and under post move that I have no doubt he'll be able to use against almost every SF in the league. Not to mention the whole video reflects the impressive fire and intensity he seems to play with. You guys mean to tell me none of this impresses you??? I must have seen this vid about 5 times now and I come away impressed every time. Now I agree with the concerns - the mysterious back problem and the lack of faith in our medical staff, the perceived lack of physicality and overall sub-par competition and talent level in the Euro. League, etc... I understand all those concerns, believe me. They're all legit concerns. I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered them myself. But I tell you what fellas, there's no doubt in my mind that this kid's got what it takes to be a ball player in this league. There's no denying the talent's there - I mean you can see it. Clear as day. There's gonna be an adjustment period that should be expected, possibly longer than most ready-to-go rookies (some rookies aren't even ready to contribute in their first or second year but this kid is IMO). He's gonna have to prove he's ready to go physically and that this back thing's behind him. Then he's gonna have to work on adding some strength and tone his body up a little (not necessarily adding too much more weight though - I wouldn't want him to lose his mobility & agility which right now looks to be superior for a guy his size). And of course he's going to have to mature as a person and a player while continuing to add to his game. These are all important issues he needs to address just like every other rookie in the league. That's the thing people lose sight of here - this kid's a 19 year old PROSPECT. We didn't draft a finished product here, we drafted a prospect. There's a learning curve and a period of adjustment for ever player that enters this league. He might have some catching up to do in the strength and 'understanding the NBA style' categories but when you consider his basketball IQ and his advanced offensive game he's clearly one of the more advanced prospects out there. Again, I'm excited about him. I mean how can you not be?!?!?!?! [Edited by - finestrg on 10-17-2008 5:43 PM] |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
10/17/2008 3:10 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:There seem to be two things being said about the kid. One is that he's not going to be good enough to play at the NBA level and then there are those who think he's gonna be a bust due to his back. The thing is at any time in an athletes career they can injure themselves somewhere in the spine. That doesn't mean that it's necessarily a chronic injury. We don't have any access to his medical info, so it's all speculation. Back issues and Knee issues are scary, but it's not a done deal that it's a permanent condition. I just want to see him get healthy and play. The kid has NBA talent IMO. Is he gonna be the fastest guy or the most atheltic? NO! But then since when has that been the biggest determination for success in the NBA? |
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Pharzeone
Posts: 32183 Alba Posts: 14 Joined: 2/11/2005 Member: #871 |
10/17/2008 3:33 PM
Posted by nixluva:Posted by Pharzeone:There seem to be two things being said about the kid. One is that he's not going to be good enough to play at the NBA level and then there are those who think he's gonna be a bust due to his back. The thing is at any time in an athletes career they can injure themselves somewhere in the spine. That doesn't mean that it's necessarily a chronic injury. We don't have any access to his medical info, so it's all speculation. Back issues and Knee issues are scary, but it's not a done deal that it's a permanent condition. I just want to see him get healthy and play. I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2005 Member: #858 Germany |
10/17/2008 3:34 PM
Posted by Finestrg:Posted by Pharzeone: Kudos with that post. Just to add something, I get the strong feeling from watching his game that he can be a really special player. I don't know what that will be in 5 years, but just look at the heady play and nice moves from a 19 year old (Who was the go to guy on his team). I agree with you, how can people not see what this kid has? His level of talent seems very very high for his age and that talent seems to be more with IQ than physicalness (which isn't so bad). I can only imagine him with Lee on the floor. That will be more smarts that we've had on the floor at the same time in a while... The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
10/17/2008 3:58 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by nixluva:Posted by Pharzeone:There seem to be two things being said about the kid. One is that he's not going to be good enough to play at the NBA level and then there are those who think he's gonna be a bust due to his back. The thing is at any time in an athletes career they can injure themselves somewhere in the spine. That doesn't mean that it's necessarily a chronic injury. We don't have any access to his medical info, so it's all speculation. Back issues and Knee issues are scary, but it's not a done deal that it's a permanent condition. I just want to see him get healthy and play. |
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Pharzeone
Posts: 32183 Alba Posts: 14 Joined: 2/11/2005 Member: #871 |
10/17/2008 4:04 PM
Posted by nixluva:Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by nixluva:Posted by Pharzeone:There seem to be two things being said about the kid. One is that he's not going to be good enough to play at the NBA level and then there are those who think he's gonna be a bust due to his back. The thing is at any time in an athletes career they can injure themselves somewhere in the spine. That doesn't mean that it's necessarily a chronic injury. We don't have any access to his medical info, so it's all speculation. Back issues and Knee issues are scary, but it's not a done deal that it's a permanent condition. I just want to see him get healthy and play. I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
10/17/2008 5:11 PM
Posted by Pharzeone: I think you're not understanding what I was trying to say. His way of expressing what they said is clear enough, but you can't be 100% sure he's meaning it in a way that YOU are taking it. From what I read he's saying that he will need to do core exercise to protect his back, which makes sense considering that's usually a part of treatment for a bulging disc. You don't want a weak core since this will only lead to a repeat of the problem. He's gonna need strong back and abdominal muscles to help relieve undue strain on his spine. That makes sense, but doesn't imply that he'll be unable to play. If he puts in the work, therapy and rest, then I would expect that he can heal like many people do. Yes there's a high degree of chance that he'll have flair ups down the line, but it doesn't mean his career is ruined. How about we wait to see how he's healing and what happens after he starts to scrimmage with the team? |
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Uptown
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10/17/2008 6:11 PM
Posted by franco12:Posted by SupremeCommander: There was talk of a back problem and some type of growth issues before we drafted him. Said he was still growing and should be fine in a couple of years. Obviously, his back problem is a little more serious than previously stated, but Tractor Trailer wasn't the one that caused this problem. Appearently, the problem already existed. |
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TheGame
Posts: 26651 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/15/2006 Member: #1154 USA |
10/18/2008 5:41 AM
I still don't understand how a guy could miss two months over the supposed minor injury DG suffered in SL play. This back thing sounds like we got damaged goods.
Trust the Process
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Anji
Posts: 25523 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 4/14/2006 Member: #1122 USA |
10/18/2008 11:03 AM
^^^ 3months........... He got hurt July 14th and it's October 18th.
 [Edited by - Anji on 10-18-2008 11:03 AM] "Really, all Americans want is a cold beer, warm p***y, and some place to s**t with a door on it." - Mr. Ford
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
10/18/2008 5:32 PM
Posted by TheGame: From the literature i've read, it's often times a very slow healing process when you have a bulging disc. There's very little blood flow to the disc ordinarily, so you have to take measures to increase the blood flow and increase healing in the area. It just takes time. With proper rest, therapy and training, you can heal but it's not like there's a specific timetable you can put on it like a bone fracture. They need to let him take as much time as he needs to let the area heal fully. |
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