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nixluva
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10/11/2008  1:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by PhilinLA:

? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.


Why did he wait so long to develope a jumper. What is the motivation? Maybe its contract year if that is the case then you have to wait and see on what he does come this year. Besides this game vs Philly wasn't that great since the Knicks didn't play well until the Sixers scond unit came in.

David Lee is better than Ok4 at everything except blocking shots. I think Ok4 got 13mm
Yeah we were all waiting for this guy to develop his offensive game. We know he's not a natural shot blocker, tho I see he's looking to do it more this year so far. He's just not great at it, but he can get better with a more determined approach to doing it. With his hops he should get a little better. OK4 is a bit of a stiff to me, not that I wouldn't take him, but he's not as good as some make him out to be IMO.
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10/11/2008  1:15 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

because he's darn good.

And...................what if he turns out to be worth 90 mil? Was Houston worth 100 million??

And you guys wanted to get rid of him. I knew better than that! I hope he does ask for more now.
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10/11/2008  1:22 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

If they were going to give him that type of money, they would have began camp with it. I think they are going to ask him for the qualifying offer because it doesn't look like they are going to get rid Randolph.

But in the mean time, I hope you guys don't miss the big picture. This team might actually earn it's money now and we may end up not having to buy anyone out, from the looks of this pre-season. And don't take the numbers for granted, because this is only the second game with the new D'Antoni system.

YUP! I'm looking for this team to be much better as the season progresses. Much better than what we're seeing now.
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10/11/2008  1:24 PM
9 years at $90 mil... get er done Walsh!
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10/11/2008  1:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by PhilinLA:

? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.


Why did he wait so long to develope a jumper. What is the motivation? Maybe its contract year if that is the case then you have to wait and see on what he does come this year. Besides this game vs Philly wasn't that great since the Knicks didn't play well until the Sixers scond unit came in.

David Lee is better than Ok4 at everything except blocking shots. I think Ok4 got 13mm

And everything else pertaining to defense. Lee isn't that good on D. I would still lock him up though.
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10/11/2008  1:45 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by PhilinLA:

? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.


Why did he wait so long to develope a jumper. What is the motivation? Maybe its contract year if that is the case then you have to wait and see on what he does come this year. Besides this game vs Philly wasn't that great since the Knicks didn't play well until the Sixers scond unit came in.
Well all season is going to be a contract year. So if that's your reasoning, I still don't see what waiting is going to do.

I think we have learned from the past that once you give a KNick a contract they start to underperform as soon as they sign the contract. I'm just saying what is the hurry make him work for his ctract all season long. If anything he might give a full effort for atleast a season.

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10/11/2008  1:50 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by PhilinLA:

? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.


Why did he wait so long to develope a jumper. What is the motivation? Maybe its contract year if that is the case then you have to wait and see on what he does come this year. Besides this game vs Philly wasn't that great since the Knicks didn't play well until the Sixers scond unit came in.
Well all season is going to be a contract year. So if that's your reasoning, I still don't see what waiting is going to do.

I think we have learned from the past that once you give a KNick a contract they start to underperform as soon as they sign the contract. I'm just saying what is the hurry make him work for his ctract all season long. If anything he might give a full effort for atleast a season.

I hear what you're saying but I also hear Briggs' point too. Lee's value is likely IMO to continue increasing.
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10/11/2008  1:51 PM
Did Isiah get into all of your UK account? Jeez let him play half a season at least and 60 million? Probably still too much. If he performs 60 million good it is almost a guarantee he is traded.

oohah

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10/11/2008  1:53 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by PhilinLA:

? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.


Why did he wait so long to develope a jumper. What is the motivation? Maybe its contract year if that is the case then you have to wait and see on what he does come this year. Besides this game vs Philly wasn't that great since the Knicks didn't play well until the Sixers scond unit came in.
Man he didn't wait to develop a jumper. He just didn't come up as an offensive player. TONS of guys come into the league that way. He worked real hard to improve and it showed up 1st in his FT's and now he's finally got the confidence to take open jumpers. It's not always 2nd nature to every player to be an offensive player. The point is that he worked hard, unlike some players who just give up on it and never get better. He's showing us his determination to improve his game and I think that kind of effort get's rewarded.

Just how many guys in the league can do what he does now? Most of those guys make big bucks. If he was doing this in college we would never have gotten him!!! So we should be glad that he developed for us and now we have a really good player that wants to be here.

Just pay him and cut the crap!!! More than any other Knick this guy has put up with the garbage, continued to work and get better, just shut his mouth and played!

I don't want to pay anyone on this team why are you guys in a hurry to pay 23 win mofos. Lets see what they do this year and then maybe if they turn this ship around they can talk. Right now they shouldn't pay anyone.

As for his jumper let see if it is a knock down jumper all season long if it is then you got yourself a new contract.

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10/11/2008  1:56 PM
What Knick underperformed? Jerome had a reputation for being a fat bastard. Eddie Curry had a rep of being a lazy fat bastard who doesn't work hard and doesn't know how to play. That's Isiah's fault for not being able to spot that out of those two. Jamal Crawford is what he is and looks like this is what we're getting out of him. If anything, he improved since he got here and also works hard but just isn't what people expect. Kurt Thomas always gave you his best. Allan had his best year after he signed his contract, until he got injured. Our team just happened to suck then (As it does now).

David Lee is a young player who busts his arse. He always had a J but never had confidence in it, maybe b/c Isiah always babied him, kinda like he did with all the other players. Now he has a coach who is demanding that J, or else, and guess what, he magically has it, after 3 months.

Lee is going to be the best player on our team until hopefully we can get in the cap and lure in either LeBron or Bosh, or Dwight Howard the year after. Ink him up Walshy.
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10/11/2008  1:56 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by PhilinLA:

? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.


Why did he wait so long to develope a jumper. What is the motivation? Maybe its contract year if that is the case then you have to wait and see on what he does come this year. Besides this game vs Philly wasn't that great since the Knicks didn't play well until the Sixers scond unit came in.
Well all season is going to be a contract year. So if that's your reasoning, I still don't see what waiting is going to do.

I think we have learned from the past that once you give a KNick a contract they start to underperform as soon as they sign the contract. I'm just saying what is the hurry make him work for his ctract all season long. If anything he might give a full effort for atleast a season.

I hear what you're saying but I also hear Briggs' point too. Lee's value is likely IMO to continue increasing.

David Lee type players are a dime a dozen don't get enamoured with his play. Bottom line is is the team winning if it isn't then he is expendable.

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10/11/2008  1:57 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by PhilinLA:

? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.


Why did he wait so long to develope a jumper. What is the motivation? Maybe its contract year if that is the case then you have to wait and see on what he does come this year. Besides this game vs Philly wasn't that great since the Knicks didn't play well until the Sixers scond unit came in.
Well all season is going to be a contract year. So if that's your reasoning, I still don't see what waiting is going to do.

I think we have learned from the past that once you give a KNick a contract they start to underperform as soon as they sign the contract. I'm just saying what is the hurry make him work for his ctract all season long. If anything he might give a full effort for atleast a season.

I hear what you're saying but I also hear Briggs' point too. Lee's value is likely IMO to continue increasing.

There never ONCE' was any question about dudes dedication to work ethic or wanting to win. He'll be our captain soon enough. Mark these words.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/11/2008  1:59 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

What Knick underperformed? Jerome had a reputation for being a fat bastard. Eddie Curry had a rep of being a lazy fat bastard who doesn't work hard and doesn't know how to play. That's Isiah's fault for not being able to spot that out of those two. Jamal Crawford is what he is and looks like this is what we're getting out of him. If anything, he improved since he got here and also works hard but just isn't what people expect. Kurt Thomas always gave you his best. Allan had his best year after he signed his contract, until he got injured. Our team just happened to suck then (As it does now).

David Lee is a young player who busts his arse. He always had a J but never had confidence in it, maybe b/c Isiah always babied him, kinda like he did with all the other players. Now he has a coach who is demanding that J, or else, and guess what, he magically has it, after 3 months.

Lee is going to be the best player on our team until hopefully we can get in the cap and lure in either LeBron or Bosh, or Dwight Howard the year after. Ink him up Walshy.

I can wait a year to pay him if he is the best player on the team. There should be no sense of urgency to pay anyone on this team.

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10/11/2008  1:59 PM
Posted by oohah:

Did Isiah get into all of your UK account? Jeez let him play half a season at least and 60 million? Probably still too much. If he performs 60 million good it is almost a guarantee he is traded.

oohah

I bet you guys Lee would take a reasonable contract and will know not to break the bank. That's what kind of class act he is.
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10/11/2008  2:00 PM
Posted by oohah:

Did Isiah get into all of your UK account? Jeez let him play half a season at least and 60 million? Probably still too much. If he performs 60 million good it is almost a guarantee he is traded.

oohah

oohah, the problem is that the Knicks can only re-sign without going to the market if they do so by the end of the month. If Lee plays super well during the year, maybe some team decides to sign him to a huge offer sheet. If that happens, and we didn't offer him less (I dunno if it would be 60 million, which I am guessing is averaging 10 mil over 6 years) that he might take, that would put us in a tough spot, because then you are letting him just walk away.
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10/11/2008  2:03 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

What Knick underperformed? Jerome had a reputation for being a fat bastard. Eddie Curry had a rep of being a lazy fat bastard who doesn't work hard and doesn't know how to play. That's Isiah's fault for not being able to spot that out of those two. Jamal Crawford is what he is and looks like this is what we're getting out of him. If anything, he improved since he got here and also works hard but just isn't what people expect. Kurt Thomas always gave you his best. Allan had his best year after he signed his contract, until he got injured. Our team just happened to suck then (As it does now).

This isn't going to be about who did what to who. This is finally starting to look like a team and we should start treating them like a team and stop putting a price on everything.
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10/11/2008  2:06 PM
oohah, the problem is that the Knicks can only re-sign without going to the market if they do so by the end of the month. If Lee plays super well during the year, maybe some team decides to sign him to a huge offer sheet. If that happens, and we didn't offer him less (I dunno if it would be 60 million, which I am guessing is averaging 10 mil over 6 years) that he might take, that would put us in a tough spot, because then you are letting him just walk away.

That's why I say if he performs 60 million good he will be traded.

oohah



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10/11/2008  2:09 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Allanfan20:

What Knick underperformed? Jerome had a reputation for being a fat bastard. Eddie Curry had a rep of being a lazy fat bastard who doesn't work hard and doesn't know how to play. That's Isiah's fault for not being able to spot that out of those two. Jamal Crawford is what he is and looks like this is what we're getting out of him. If anything, he improved since he got here and also works hard but just isn't what people expect. Kurt Thomas always gave you his best. Allan had his best year after he signed his contract, until he got injured. Our team just happened to suck then (As it does now).

David Lee is a young player who busts his arse. He always had a J but never had confidence in it, maybe b/c Isiah always babied him, kinda like he did with all the other players. Now he has a coach who is demanding that J, or else, and guess what, he magically has it, after 3 months.

Lee is going to be the best player on our team until hopefully we can get in the cap and lure in either LeBron or Bosh, or Dwight Howard the year after. Ink him up Walshy.

I can wait a year to pay him if he is the best player on the team. There should be no sense of urgency to pay anyone on this team.

No you can't. If he performs well enough and Walsh isn't willing to pay a sky rocketing price, then Lee WALKS! Lock him up now while you still can.
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10/11/2008  2:15 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Allanfan20:

What Knick underperformed? Jerome had a reputation for being a fat bastard. Eddie Curry had a rep of being a lazy fat bastard who doesn't work hard and doesn't know how to play. That's Isiah's fault for not being able to spot that out of those two. Jamal Crawford is what he is and looks like this is what we're getting out of him. If anything, he improved since he got here and also works hard but just isn't what people expect. Kurt Thomas always gave you his best. Allan had his best year after he signed his contract, until he got injured. Our team just happened to suck then (As it does now).

David Lee is a young player who busts his arse. He always had a J but never had confidence in it, maybe b/c Isiah always babied him, kinda like he did with all the other players. Now he has a coach who is demanding that J, or else, and guess what, he magically has it, after 3 months.

Lee is going to be the best player on our team until hopefully we can get in the cap and lure in either LeBron or Bosh, or Dwight Howard the year after. Ink him up Walshy.

I can wait a year to pay him if he is the best player on the team. There should be no sense of urgency to pay anyone on this team.

No you can't. If he performs well enough and Walsh isn't willing to pay a sky rocketing price, then Lee WALKS! Lock him up now while you still can.

Let him walk it isn't the end of the world.

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10/11/2008  3:08 PM
Lee is an All Star Period, better than Tyson Chandler so he deserves that type of money, there are 5 players in the league that average double doubles Garnett, Duncan, Boozer, Brand, and Howard Lee is going to lead the league in fg% and rebounder, most people have said that to no avail. We are not going to sign Lee because so Italian kid has a bad back? How many good bigs are in the league, it's not a power game anymore.

What's wrong with Gallo, Lee, Chandler as the future frontcourt let other teams try to defend them. You want to build a team for Lebron or Bosh, or whoever you are doing it with those three guys.

The team could make the playoffs if you subtract Richardson and Crawford and let chandler play heavy minutes, start marbury with Duhon and give collins and nate the minutes off the bench
They better offer Lee 60 mm before he asks for 90

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