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10/7/2008  4:24 PM
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Only bitches worry about who starts. Basketball players care who finishes.

If you want your point guard to go out there and score 25 points on 25 shots, then yeah, Steph has outperformed Chris. But last I checked, that's not what D'Antoni wants from his point guard when he's got a shooting guard, a small forward and a power forward in the starting lineup who all want to do the same damn thing. Unless we want to make Dave responsible for getting everyone shots, Duhon is clearly the choice at point guard, no matter how much it makes Berman's blood boil.

Du's a better point guard than Steph right now and it has nothing to do with talent.

Steph is being put in a position where he will be most successful. He won't be saddled with running the offense where he often misses plays and can't differentiate between a good shot for himself and a better shot for a teammate. Instead, he can come of the bench as a hired gun and basically play "Starbury" basketball. Many nights, he may end up finishing games along side or as opposed to Duhon anyway.

He must've taken his meds or finally realized that "if he played the way how he normally played" he could probably play his way into a trade to a contender or an MLE somewhere else next season.

If anything, he should be thanking Walsh and D'Antoni for truly coming in with a clean slate as opposed to appeasing fans and the media.

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10/7/2008  4:29 PM
i think this is all bullsh t. d'alsh should've never brought steph into camp but for some reason he's here. the drama comes with the territory. again, none of this matters. nothing this year or next year matters. it's all in for summer 2010. until then, it's zombie nation...
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10/7/2008  4:32 PM
I like the idea of Marbury coming off teh bench to play "Starbury" basketball......... If he has it going and Jamal doesnt (which happens a lot) then you can finish the game with Steph. Or vice versa. I think Nate, however may overall out play everyone as a true POINT GAURD.. But we'll see
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10/7/2008  4:33 PM
The most important thing Marbury can learn (as EnySpree pointed out) is not to talk so much. We don't need to bear witness to his every thought, spiritual discovery, or news of his latest evolutionary step. Just play basketball.

We're all hopefully growing, changing, adjusting, and learning every day. We don't have to tell the world about it.

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10/7/2008  4:37 PM
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Only bitches worry about who starts. Basketball players care who finishes.

If you want your point guard to go out there and score 25 points on 25 shots, then yeah, Steph has outperformed Chris. But last I checked, that's not what D'Antoni wants from his point guard when he's got a shooting guard, a small forward and a power forward in the starting lineup who all want to do the same damn thing. Unless we want to make Dave responsible for getting everyone shots, Duhon is clearly the choice at point guard, no matter how much it makes Berman's blood boil.

Du's a better point guard than Steph right now and it has nothing to do with talent.

Steph is being put in a position where he will be most successful. He won't be saddled with running the offense where he often misses plays and can't differentiate between a good shot for himself and a better shot for a teammate. Instead, he can come of the bench as a hired gun and basically play "Starbury" basketball. Many nights, he may end up finishing games along side or as opposed to Duhon anyway.

He must've taken his meds or finally realized that "if he played the way how he normally played" he could probably play his way into a trade to a contender or an MLE somewhere else next season.

If anything, he should be thanking Walsh and D'Antoni for truly coming in with a clean slate as opposed to appeasing fans and the media.

I there is a serious misconception about what D'Antoni wants in a point guard and how he has his point guard actually plays. Other than Amare Stoudamire, Steve Nash has taken the most shots on the Suns the last 4 years. I don't see the evidence that indicates that Duhon is a better pg other than someone saying "Duhon is the better point guard." I don't see any evidence where Duhon made the offense easier for the Bulls, my thoughts if he did he would still be there and Beasley would be starting for them but to each their own. I think Duhon is a solid backup point though. Maybe he was in the wrong system in Chicago and D'Antoni will bring something out of him. He has two years to prove it.
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10/7/2008  4:43 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

The most important thing Marbury can learn (as EnySpree pointed out) is not to talk so much. We don't need to bear witness to his every thought, spiritual discovery, or news of his latest evolutionary step. Just play basketball.

We're all hopefully growing, changing, adjusting, and learning every day. We don't have to tell the world about it.

Actions speak louder than words.

Keep in mind, that reporters are approaching him and the Knicks players were told to make themselves available. You know that whole be "more open with the media thing." Whose to blame? "Hey you guys have to talk to them but don't really talk to them."
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10/7/2008  4:47 PM
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Only bitches worry about who starts. Basketball players care who finishes.

If you want your point guard to go out there and score 25 points on 25 shots, then yeah, Steph has outperformed Chris. But last I checked, that's not what D'Antoni wants from his point guard when he's got a shooting guard, a small forward and a power forward in the starting lineup who all want to do the same damn thing. Unless we want to make Dave responsible for getting everyone shots, Duhon is clearly the choice at point guard, no matter how much it makes Berman's blood boil.

Du's a better point guard than Steph right now and it has nothing to do with talent.

Steph is being put in a position where he will be most successful. He won't be saddled with running the offense where he often misses plays and can't differentiate between a good shot for himself and a better shot for a teammate. Instead, he can come of the bench as a hired gun and basically play "Starbury" basketball. Many nights, he may end up finishing games along side or as opposed to Duhon anyway.

He must've taken his meds or finally realized that "if he played the way how he normally played" he could probably play his way into a trade to a contender or an MLE somewhere else next season.

If anything, he should be thanking Walsh and D'Antoni for truly coming in with a clean slate as opposed to appeasing fans and the media.

This is nothing to do with Steph or who should be starting...Duhon stinks plain and simple...He is an effort player at best and that doesn't make you good...D'Antoni said he saw Nate and Jamal running the team better than Steph last year and I'm not sure what he was looking at...This is New York, fans here watch the games and know the intricacies...Don't hand me that political line to insert who you think should be starting...Right now the Knicks need to cut Steph because Duhon is no where close as a player or a point guard....This will be an issue this season...

Another point I will likely harp on this season...Knick basketball over the years revolved around a defensively minded team...D'Antoni idea of defense of throwing up more shots than the other team...That's not basketball...People thinks that exciting and I really don't get that...Duhon is just another Charlie Ward type player, average at best...


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10/7/2008  4:50 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Only bitches worry about who starts. Basketball players care who finishes.

If you want your point guard to go out there and score 25 points on 25 shots, then yeah, Steph has outperformed Chris. But last I checked, that's not what D'Antoni wants from his point guard when he's got a shooting guard, a small forward and a power forward in the starting lineup who all want to do the same damn thing. Unless we want to make Dave responsible for getting everyone shots, Duhon is clearly the choice at point guard, no matter how much it makes Berman's blood boil.

Du's a better point guard than Steph right now and it has nothing to do with talent.

Steph is being put in a position where he will be most successful. He won't be saddled with running the offense where he often misses plays and can't differentiate between a good shot for himself and a better shot for a teammate. Instead, he can come of the bench as a hired gun and basically play "Starbury" basketball. Many nights, he may end up finishing games along side or as opposed to Duhon anyway.

He must've taken his meds or finally realized that "if he played the way how he normally played" he could probably play his way into a trade to a contender or an MLE somewhere else next season.

If anything, he should be thanking Walsh and D'Antoni for truly coming in with a clean slate as opposed to appeasing fans and the media.

This is nothing to do with Steph or who should be starting...Duhon stinks plain and simple...He is an effort player at best and that doesn't make you good...D'Antoni said he saw Nate and Jamal running the team better than Steph last year and I'm not sure what he was looking at...This is New York, fans here watch the games and know the intricacies...Don't hand me that political line to insert who you think should be starting...Right now the Knicks need to cut Steph because Duhon is no where close as a player or a point guard....This will be an issue this season...

Another point I will likely harp on this season...Knick basketball over the years revolved around a defensively minded team...D'Antoni idea of defense of throwing up more shots than the other team...That's not basketball...People thinks that exciting and I really don't get that...Duhon is just another Charlie Ward type player, average at best...


i'm not even sure what direction the knicks are trying to go in. you figure marbury is gone soon enough but they replace him with a guy signed for only 2 years and is probably a backup. there's no other pg on the roster after duhon (once marbury's gone) and they didn't draft one. so in 2010, they'll have to go find another starting pg. that's why i say none of this matters. all the players on this squad are basically stop gaps anyway.
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10/7/2008  4:56 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Only bitches worry about who starts. Basketball players care who finishes.

If you want your point guard to go out there and score 25 points on 25 shots, then yeah, Steph has outperformed Chris. But last I checked, that's not what D'Antoni wants from his point guard when he's got a shooting guard, a small forward and a power forward in the starting lineup who all want to do the same damn thing. Unless we want to make Dave responsible for getting everyone shots, Duhon is clearly the choice at point guard, no matter how much it makes Berman's blood boil.

Du's a better point guard than Steph right now and it has nothing to do with talent.

Steph is being put in a position where he will be most successful. He won't be saddled with running the offense where he often misses plays and can't differentiate between a good shot for himself and a better shot for a teammate. Instead, he can come of the bench as a hired gun and basically play "Starbury" basketball. Many nights, he may end up finishing games along side or as opposed to Duhon anyway.

He must've taken his meds or finally realized that "if he played the way how he normally played" he could probably play his way into a trade to a contender or an MLE somewhere else next season.

If anything, he should be thanking Walsh and D'Antoni for truly coming in with a clean slate as opposed to appeasing fans and the media.

This is nothing to do with Steph or who should be starting...Duhon stinks plain and simple...He is an effort player at best and that doesn't make you good...D'Antoni said he saw Nate and Jamal running the team better than Steph last year and I'm not sure what he was looking at...This is New York, fans here watch the games and know the intricacies...Don't hand me that political line to insert who you think should be starting...Right now the Knicks need to cut Steph because Duhon is no where close as a player or a point guard....This will be an issue this season...

Another point I will likely harp on this season...Knick basketball over the years revolved around a defensively minded team...D'Antoni idea of defense of throwing up more shots than the other team...That's not basketball...People thinks that exciting and I really don't get that...Duhon is just another Charlie Ward type player, average at best...


That's my point. Walsh and D'Antoni are creating their own distractions. The moment you brought the man into camp it was going to be a distraction after you spent $12 million on another pg. Anytime Duhon will struggle and believe he will struggle, the press and fans will be looking over at Marbury. Players will be leaking crap to the media. "Man, I think we would be better with Steph at point right now." D'Antoni who has already shown to be sensitive about being second guess is just setting himself up for problems. If you made up your mind just cut the guy.
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10/7/2008  5:00 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Only bitches worry about who starts. Basketball players care who finishes.

If you want your point guard to go out there and score 25 points on 25 shots, then yeah, Steph has outperformed Chris. But last I checked, that's not what D'Antoni wants from his point guard when he's got a shooting guard, a small forward and a power forward in the starting lineup who all want to do the same damn thing. Unless we want to make Dave responsible for getting everyone shots, Duhon is clearly the choice at point guard, no matter how much it makes Berman's blood boil.

Du's a better point guard than Steph right now and it has nothing to do with talent.

Steph is being put in a position where he will be most successful. He won't be saddled with running the offense where he often misses plays and can't differentiate between a good shot for himself and a better shot for a teammate. Instead, he can come of the bench as a hired gun and basically play "Starbury" basketball. Many nights, he may end up finishing games along side or as opposed to Duhon anyway.

He must've taken his meds or finally realized that "if he played the way how he normally played" he could probably play his way into a trade to a contender or an MLE somewhere else next season.

If anything, he should be thanking Walsh and D'Antoni for truly coming in with a clean slate as opposed to appeasing fans and the media.

This is nothing to do with Steph or who should be starting...Duhon stinks plain and simple...He is an effort player at best and that doesn't make you good...D'Antoni said he saw Nate and Jamal running the team better than Steph last year and I'm not sure what he was looking at...This is New York, fans here watch the games and know the intricacies...Don't hand me that political line to insert who you think should be starting...Right now the Knicks need to cut Steph because Duhon is no where close as a player or a point guard....This will be an issue this season...

Another point I will likely harp on this season...Knick basketball over the years revolved around a defensively minded team...D'Antoni idea of defense of throwing up more shots than the other team...That's not basketball...People thinks that exciting and I really don't get that...Duhon is just another Charlie Ward type player, average at best...


i'm not even sure what direction the knicks are trying to go in. you figure marbury is gone soon enough but they replace him with a guy signed for only 2 years and is probably a backup. there's no other pg on the roster after duhon (once marbury's gone) and they didn't draft one. so in 2010, they'll have to go find another starting pg. that's why i say none of this matters. all the players on this squad are basically stop gaps anyway.

You are probably right there...I really feel they are trying to rebuild, but with Curry, Steph, H20, Randolph, and Malik vying for a spot, I dont know..It seems like they are saying yeah rebuild, but are hedging themselves as well..If they get a few wins with the vets, playoffs will be the mantra again like all the other Dolan regimes...So no clear direction...



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10/7/2008  5:02 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BasketballJones:

The most important thing Marbury can learn (as EnySpree pointed out) is not to talk so much. We don't need to bear witness to his every thought, spiritual discovery, or news of his latest evolutionary step. Just play basketball.

We're all hopefully growing, changing, adjusting, and learning every day. We don't have to tell the world about it.

Actions speak louder than words.

Keep in mind, that reporters are approaching him and the Knicks players were told to make themselves available. You know that whole be "more open with the media thing." Whose to blame? "Hey you guys have to talk to them but don't really talk to them."

The Knicks should be smart enough to exclude Marbury from that rule.
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10/7/2008  5:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


i'm not even sure what direction the knicks are trying to go in. you figure marbury is gone soon enough but they replace him with a guy signed for only 2 years and is probably a backup. there's no other pg on the roster after duhon (once marbury's gone) and they didn't draft one. so in 2010, they'll have to go find another starting pg. that's why i say none of this matters. all the players on this squad are basically stop gaps anyway.

That doesn't bother me at all. I hope every player on this team (sans Gallo, and Lee/Chandler to a degree) is a stopgap player. Let them all expire.
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10/7/2008  5:22 PM
Marc Berman is really a fat loser. I hate him more than Curry.
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10/7/2008  5:39 PM
the thought of Steph joining the C's or Heat and having a big year probably is scaring the DrFloras out of Walsh and Doughlan.

opens up the door for

why not keep Steph in a contract year and had him have the same impact here?

or

why not at least keep him till the trade deadline and get something of worth for a team looking to make a late season run like Portland did with Rasheed his last year?
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10/7/2008  5:47 PM
The direction the Knicks are going in is clear as it can be at this point. They can't get rid of enough of their poor fit players at this point and it makes sense to basically try to just get the team playing better for the sake of the guys who WILL be staying. The young guys need a better nurturing environment which means more wins and a stable system to learn and master. There's no way to make the team perfect at this point.

All this stuff about who should start goes right back to what MDA has been saying, it's about team. Whoever he feels should start for the good of the team will start and no one should be overly concerned with who starts and who doesn't except the coach. This team has lost a ton of games with Steph at the helm, so he has no leg to stand on. Curry is in the same position. MDA has every right to take his time making his final decision without being questioned.

Overall i'm happy that Steph has accepted the idea that he may end up coming off the bench. This isn't a written in stone decision yet either, so he is at least mentally ready should MDA make this move final.
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10/7/2008  6:04 PM
Well, yeah, DAntoni just SHAT all over Marbury....

Marbury:

“I just think going forward to limit the distractions, to just concentrate on basketball, that’s the most important thing,” he said this afternoon. “The most important thing right now is to get out to a good start and try to do what I said, try to make it to the playoffs.”

D’Antoni’s reaction was priceless.

“Yeah, it’s great,” he said. “Wow. For ya’ll, that’s big news. To me, that’s like, well, that’s how everybody should act. Isn’t that how you do it? Don’t you build a team? Does it matter who gets the credit and who doesn’t? This is the New York Knicks. I would think the New York Knicks is bigger than me and anybody else. And it is that way. I’m really proud he did that, but it shouldn’t be newsworthy. To do the right thing should never make the news.”
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10/7/2008  6:48 PM
the media coverage following Stephon nowadays is like the media coverage that followed Adam Sandler in Mr. Deeds



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10/7/2008  6:57 PM
Posted by McK1:

the media coverage following Stephon nowadays is like the media coverage that followed Adam Sandler in Mr. Deeds

This is why it was hoped for that Steph would not be here. From a talent standpoint he helps, but the sideshow will always be there so long as he's asked for his opinion by the press. They love him cuz he's a threat to say or do something crazy at anytime. They'll always flock to Steph in hopes of getting something juicy.

This is somewhat of a throw away season, so one more year of this circus isn't going to change the final outcome for this franchise down the line. They just have to find ways to minimize his impact as much as possible.
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10/7/2008  7:08 PM
Personally I'm sick of all the talking by Steph, but it really doesn't matter. He can say what he wants today. Let's see how he reacts when the season starts. If he starts and busts his bizzalls, great. If he comes off the bench and plays hard. Great. But the test will come, if he is on the bench and someone else is getting the minutes. That's when we will see the true Marbs and which one of his preseason speeches was true.
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Posted by Cosmic:

Well, yeah, DAntoni just SHAT all over Marbury....

Marbury:

“I just think going forward to limit the distractions, to just concentrate on basketball, that’s the most important thing,” he said this afternoon. “The most important thing right now is to get out to a good start and try to do what I said, try to make it to the playoffs.”

D’Antoni’s reaction was priceless.

“Yeah, it’s great,” he said. “Wow. For ya’ll, that’s big news. To me, that’s like, well, that’s how everybody should act. Isn’t that how you do it? Don’t you build a team? Does it matter who gets the credit and who doesn’t? This is the New York Knicks. I would think the New York Knicks is bigger than me and anybody else. And it is that way. I’m really proud he did that, but it shouldn’t be newsworthy. To do the right thing should never make the news.”

He shat on Marbury? It reads to me like he shat on the press and called them idiots for trying to create a story out of nothing as usual, not Marbury.

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