Posted by misterearl:

McK1 - I understand where you are coming from but from the press reports it seems the "Knicks backcourt fix" does not have number 3 in a feature role. The lead guard transition to Duhon is a done deal. With the sudden impact of a Mike Tyson hook that realization hit Marbury right beside his tatoo and he had Berman document his epiphany.

The only question is how the artist formerly known as Starbury adapts to the John Starks sixth man role.

Did I mention The Mayor starts before Christmas Day?

Posted by nyk4ever:

Buying out guys is what got us in this mess to begin with. Name one other team that has bought out as many players as the Knicks have over the past few years..... there isn't one. The insanity with buying players out has to stop.

Let Marbury earn his current contract and play for his next one, since you know he wants to play more. This year means absolutely jack-**** anyways, so there's no reason to buy him out, he's going to be gone after this year regardless, so we might as well make him earn his money and maybe he plays well enough that some team wants him at the trade-deadline. If no one wants him, who cares, he's gone at the end of the season anyway.

Posted by Cosmic:


TRADING the expiring deals is what got us into this mess not buying anyone out!

Again, either give him the ball and let him do his thing or pull the plug. There is absolutely NO middle ground here. He has NO value as a tradeable expiring deal it will only bring back more garbage on longer term deals.

Either commit to the guy in full or move on - anything else? Can't complain when it blows up.

Posted by Cosmic:

He can continue to be a poison.

If you like even just ONE player on this team not named Marbury and you want that player to grow? Then you want Marbury (and Zach) gone.

He will continue to fester and distract everyone here.

Our priority should be our own growth - not whether or not Marbury might help another team win a game here or there. Chances are he won't. Chances are he will ruin that team's hope of success.

Get him out of here, or give him the ball and let him run himself into the ground, or face the consequences of trying to mold him into what you want him to be.

It would be in our best interests to cut ties with him. It should have been done prior to camp. It's a joke to have him here.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by misterearl:

McK1 - I understand where you are coming from but from the press reports it seems the "Knicks backcourt fix" does not have number 3 in a feature role. The lead guard transition to Duhon is a done deal. With the sudden impact of a Mike Tyson hook that realization hit Marbury right beside his tatoo and he had Berman document his epiphany.

The only question is how the artist formerly known as Starbury adapts to the John Starks sixth man role.

Did I mention The Mayor starts before Christmas Day?

He shouldn't have to. He is the best player on the team.

Either give him the ball and tell him to do his thing or buy him out.

There is no middle ground with Steph, there never was, so either let him loose, or cut him loose.

Anything else is a disaster.

Buying out guys is what got us in this mess to begin with. Name one other team that has bought out as many players as the Knicks have over the past few years..... there isn't one. The insanity with buying players out has to stop.

Let Marbury earn his current contract and play for his next one, since you know he wants to play more. This year means absolutely jack-**** anyways, so there's no reason to buy him out, he's going to be gone after this year regardless, so we might as well make him earn his money and maybe he plays well enough that some team wants him at the trade-deadline. If no one wants him, who cares, he's gone at the end of the season anyway.

Posted by Cosmic:

He can continue to be a poison.

If you like even just ONE player on this team not named Marbury and you want that player to grow? Then you want Marbury (and Zach) gone.

He will continue to fester and distract everyone here.

Our priority should be our own growth - not whether or not Marbury might help another team win a game here or there. Chances are he won't. Chances are he will ruin that team's hope of success.

Get him out of here, or give him the ball and let him run himself into the ground, or face the consequences of trying to mold him into what you want him to be.

It would be in our best interests to cut ties with him. It should have been done prior to camp. It's a joke to have him here.

Posted by PresIke:

I have to say I really think D'Antoni is thus far doing things, for the most part, very much in line with much of what has shown to be effective as a coach/manager/teacher.

He's starting with a positive, strengths based approach, yet also holding them to high expectations and using standards, which is a perfect combo.

His response to Marbury, while perhaps a bit short, was also an example of how he seems to also be holding everyone to a high standard. It's usually effective, because while he has been positive and upbeat, and having a system that players can learn from, he is also showing support to those who are doing as asked without any nudging, creating them as models as well as setting a standard. Modeling appropriate work ethic and behavior is the lynch pin for change.

The Freakonomics cats showed how when we care about what others think of us, in their honor system story about a guy who sold bagels, we are less likely to engage in stealing, or cheating.

D'Antoni's support of "lesser" talents like Duhon as starter, because of his being already on the right page, without directly vilifying any specific player in public is also supporting those that model the best behavior without directly reprimanding Marbury. Folks seem to be trying to get him to say something, but the statement is being made with the one tool (or as teachers would say, rubric) he has to show players how they are being evaluated:

"minutes"

Sending a message to workers needs to always be done carefully and cleverly. Too much bravado that we see from a lot of old school coaches (but not all) or too little standard setting does not work. If Marbury truly cares about showing us he can be the player we want him to be, D'Antoni doesn't have to publicly humiliate him verbally because this can often backfire, as it did with Brown to Steph.

He surely should not just give him free reign for years, and then suddenly bench him after a few games into a season, see him go AWOL, and then renege on his decision when players supported such a move and punishment. Isiah committed another cardinal sin of teaching/coaching/management...not being consistent.

Lenny and Herb may have not even been able to be effective because I doubt they had backing to do as they wanted, which says a lot about how much weight Isiah carried back then. Lenny may have been "too" friendly and not set high enough standards, but I also wonder if Isiah's presence made it difficult for anyone to really coach. We saw what it is like for Isiah to meet his match in Brown, who was also not the right guy, in hindsight.

In this regard, I am very much looking forward to what our team becomes over the next few seasons under D'Antoni.

Posted by misterearl:

"After awhile, some will get it and some won't, but the only tool you'll have is minutes," D'Antoni said.


"It's a different mentality," Stephon Marbury said. "(D'Antoni) demands a lot and demands it every time. When we're on the court playing, you know what you can do and what you can't do. It's very important to do things differently than how we used to do things. Because, obviously, it didn't work the last two or three years."

Posted by Bippity10:

It's not just about D'Antoni. It's the fact that D'Antoni has the unwavering support of the fron office. It doesn't matter if D'Antoni puts the players on notice and the front office then turns around and supports the players. We've had that for too long here in NY. Now When Mike says something, if the players complain, he can bench them and marginalize them, he won't have to watch his back..........At least for the time being. We all know that JD can destroy that with the touch of his no nothing finger. Hopefully Mike will be left alone to run his team. That is the way you turn a franchise around. This infighting between coaches and GM's has destroyed us. It has left the team rudderless and allowed the likes of Marbury to torpedo seasons. Clearly Marbs can still be a distraction. Clearly a bad episode from him can hurt us. But I think the reaction he will receive this time will not be in his favor. And when the players see this reaction they may respond positively.

We don't like it, but Mike is testing Marbs. He clearly doesn't like the guy but is giving him a shot to get things done. It's up to Marbs at this point.