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Markji
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10/3/2008  7:37 AM
Jeffries was to be the center - for his defense and BB IQ. This hurts the team.

I was wondering how he could break his leg? Sprained ankles, yes. But a fracture? He did it by blocking Marbury from behind on a fast-break. This will hurt the team and our guys learning the new system. Jeffries was really gung-ho and he knew how to play D'A system.
The Knicks announced tonight that Jeffries had suffered a left fibula fracture. It happened in today's practice when Jeffries made an impressively athletic defensive play for a 6-11 man. He sprinted to catch Stephon Marbury on a fast break and blocked Marbury's layup attempt from behind. But when he landed, Jeffries said he felt like "a horse kicked me in my shin."

Jeffries tried to get back into the game a short while later but he was clearly in pain. Mike D'Antoni immediately waved him off the court and told him not to push it. Jeffries said he heard a pop at that point. He walked off the court and talked to reporters after practice. He also walked to the team bus.

He was taken to Saratoga Hospital where x-rays showed the fracture. The team says he'll miss 6-to-8 weeks, which means sometime before Thanksgiving, or, at least the first 15 games.

This is a major blow to D'Antoni's plans for the rotation. Jeffries was penciled in as the starting center -- yes, center -- because of his high basketball IQ, skills handling the ball and, of course, the athleticism to make such plays as the block on Marbury.

But aside from his undisputable shooting issues, Jeffries has also shown a penchant for early injuries. Two years ago he broke his wrist in the first preseason game and missed the first 23 games of the season. Last year he had a sprained knee (ACL) and missed the first five games of the season.

Without Jeffries, the Knicks' already weak interior defense only gets weaker. Eddy Curry is not a shot-blocker and has yet to show any kind of defensive instincts. And then there's the little fact that the bacterial infection that has kept him out of the first three days of camp will, according to D'Antoni, will likely keep him out until perhaps Monday. Eddy will be way behind both in conditioning and in learning the system. D'Antoni will also be behind in figuring out how best to use Curry in his plans.
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/10/jeffries_should_invest_in_bubb.html

[Edited by - markji on 10-03-2008 08:43 AM]
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Bonn1997
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10/3/2008  7:48 AM
Posted by oohah:
This is not good...

Jeffries was just using up valuable time that can now go to Chandler and Lee.

oohah
I'm with you on this. I never want a guy to get injured but if Jeffries was going to steal even one minute from either of those players, then this is a blessing in disguise.

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10/3/2008  9:27 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Damn he was doing good to.


What kind of "good" was he going to do? Stop crime? Help old ladies cross the street?
Cause I know damn well you don't mean he was going to do "well".
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10/3/2008  11:16 AM
This is a blessing in disguise. I'm kinda glad he is out now Chandeler gets more PT as does Lee. Everyone knows that Chandlr and Lee are 10x better players than Jefferies.
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10/3/2008  11:23 AM
I hope he's out for the entire season... he sux
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10/3/2008  11:33 AM
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10/3/2008  11:35 AM
I think that opens up minutes for





Solidfying our rotation
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10/3/2008  12:39 PM
I know lots of you love to hate Jared Jeffries, but if you look at one of the few basketball stats that actually gives you useful info (adjusted plus/minus), he was one of only 3 knicks last season to make a positive contribution (the others being Crawford and Balkman).

He is, by this measure much better to have on court than any of our big men (Lee included).

http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?year=2007-2008&id=315
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10/3/2008  12:52 PM
I really think with him at center and curry out of the rotation the team would be much better off on the defensive side of the ball. It's too bad because he could have been useful making up for zach in the frontcourt. But it's nice to see chandler get some time, maybe even gallo.

I have a good feeling about the way mike is going to define everyones role out there.
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10/3/2008  1:06 PM
I say go hard after Odom he would be great in this offense. He can play the 3,4,5 in this system. Just hold your breath that he can handle coming back home.
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10/3/2008  1:26 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by oohah:
This is not good...

Jeffries was just using up valuable time that can now go to Chandler and Lee.

oohah
I'm with you on this. I never want a guy to get injured but if Jeffries was going to steal even one minute from either of those players, then this is a blessing in disguise.

unless the plan was to try to hype jeffries value and trade him.
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10/3/2008  1:32 PM
It's too bad because if he played relatively well like he did in Washington he would have been able to be moved because of his contract.

He would have been a good player for the celts off the bench
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10/3/2008  4:38 PM
The idea was to have Jared playing Center and that would make the team better since he could help and recover better than Curry ever could. it gave us a much quicker and aggressive defense against guards and forwards that would just buzz by Curry. He's longer than Lee and has more hops than Zach, so he was a good fit for MDA's system. He can handle the ball and I think he's smart enough to run the sets.

We already had problems defensively which is why I think MDA wanted Jared in there so bad. If Jared is focused on being aggressive blocking shots, I think he would actually be much better than he's shown. As a team I think we'd see an improvement with more PT for Chan who can also block some shots.
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10/3/2008  4:49 PM
Posted by markvmc:

I know lots of you love to hate Jared Jeffries, but if you look at one of the few basketball stats that actually gives you useful info (adjusted plus/minus), he was one of only 3 knicks last season to make a positive contribution (the others being Crawford and Balkman).

He is, by this measure much better to have on court than any of our big men (Lee included).

http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?year=2007-2008&id=315

Adjusted plus/minus? How exactly are they adjusting the #s?
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10/3/2008  4:49 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by oohah:
This is not good...

Jeffries was just using up valuable time that can now go to Chandler and Lee.

oohah
I'm with you on this. I never want a guy to get injured but if Jeffries was going to steal even one minute from either of those players, then this is a blessing in disguise.

unless the plan was to try to hype jeffries value and trade him.
I don't think anything Jeffries does on the basketball court will help hype him.
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10/3/2008  5:07 PM
Apparently Terrell Owens sent Jared Jeffries a text message which suggest Jared use a hyberbalic chamber to heal faster. My question is why is T.O. helping Jared fishlips Jeffries?
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10/3/2008  6:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by markvmc:

I know lots of you love to hate Jared Jeffries, but if you look at one of the few basketball stats that actually gives you useful info (adjusted plus/minus), he was one of only 3 knicks last season to make a positive contribution (the others being Crawford and Balkman).

He is, by this measure much better to have on court than any of our big men (Lee included).

http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?year=2007-2008&id=315

Adjusted plus/minus? How exactly are they adjusting the #s?

The plus/minus figures are adjusted to control for the quality of the opposing line up, and the quality of your own line-up (i.e. your net positive/negative contribution to the team). The idea is to capture what plus-minus is supposed to capture, while controlling for the fact that, for example, some people get to play with Kobe all the time, and so would have artificially inflated plus/minus.

An explanation can be found here:

http://www.82games.com/ilardi1.htm

[Edited by - markvmc on 10-03-2008 6:38 PM]

[Edited by - markvmc on 10-03-2008 6:39 PM]
Bonn1997
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10/3/2008  7:09 PM
Posted by markvmc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by markvmc:

I know lots of you love to hate Jared Jeffries, but if you look at one of the few basketball stats that actually gives you useful info (adjusted plus/minus), he was one of only 3 knicks last season to make a positive contribution (the others being Crawford and Balkman).

He is, by this measure much better to have on court than any of our big men (Lee included).

http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?year=2007-2008&id=315

Adjusted plus/minus? How exactly are they adjusting the #s?

The plus/minus figures are adjusted to control for the quality of the opposing line up, and the quality of your own line-up (i.e. your net positive/negative contribution to the team). The idea is to capture what plus-minus is supposed to capture, while controlling for the fact that, for example, some people get to play with Kobe all the time, and so would have artificially inflated plus/minus.

An explanation can be found here:

http://www.82games.com/ilardi1.htm

[Edited by - markvmc on 10-03-2008 6:38 PM]

[Edited by - markvmc on 10-03-2008 6:39 PM]
Thanks; that does sound like a good statistic. I'd still rather let Chandler and Lee develop than give many minutes to Jared, though.
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10/3/2008  7:23 PM
i actually think this is good news for the team... u guys seriously think Fishlips was gonna be any major factor this season? i don't care what D'Antoni was saying about him, the guy sucks, plain & simple.
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10/3/2008  8:39 PM
GUYS, GUYS you need a guy like Jared to spread the workload over 82 games. Chan and Lee would wear down playing C and PF without someone like Jared to fill in against the beasts in the league. I think he'll play a much needed role for this team. He had some really good moments last year and I think those periods would more extended with a clear role and a system that made things easier for him to do the little things. That was supposed to be his role as a glue guy and he never really has been able to find that niche. This may be his chance. I hope he can heal and come back in time to give the guys a boost.
Jeffries out 2 months

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