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fimslim3
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9/29/2008  1:08 AM
Posted by daddynel:

considering the fact that mda has'nt coached a game for the knicks yet and still can do no right, who in your opinion would have been the right choice to coach this team? or is mda just not saying the right things?

I think MDA is a decent- good coach, nothing against him. We really don't have players to run his type of game though, which is an excuse I'm expecting to hear when we lose games. I'd feel bad for any coach to run this team assembled by Isiah Thomas. I like to think MDA was a PR move to make us feel better about the team. I don't have a coach that would have been best suited to coach this team. However, as much as I dislike Isiah Thomas I'd probably want him to coach the team )without running the franchise of course) so this way he could feel the misery of the team he put together.
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9/29/2008  1:11 AM
Posted by fimslim3:
Posted by daddynel:

considering the fact that mda has'nt coached a game for the knicks yet and still can do no right, who in your opinion would have been the right choice to coach this team? or is mda just not saying the right things?

I think MDA is a decent- good coach, nothing against him. We really don't have players to run his type of game though, which is an excuse I'm expecting to hear when we lose games. I'd feel bad for any coach to run this team assembled by Isiah Thomas. I like to think MDA was a PR move to make us feel better about the team. I don't have a coach that would have been best suited to coach this team. However, as much as I dislike Isiah Thomas I'd probably want him to coach the team (without running the franchise of course) so this way he could feel the misery of the team he put together.

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9/29/2008  1:12 AM
Posted by fimslim3:

[quote]Posted by fimslim3:

[quote]Posted by daddynel:

considering the fact that mda has'nt coached a game for the knicks yet and still can do no right, who in your opinion would have been the right choice to coach this team? or is mda just not saying the right things?

I think MDA is a decent- good coach, nothing against him. We really don't have players to run his type of game though, which is an excuse I'm expecting to hear when we lose games. I'd feel bad for any coach to run this team assembled by Isiah Thomas. I like to think MDA was a PR move to make us feel better about the team. I don't have a coach that would have been best suited to coach this team. However, as much as I dislike Isiah Thomas I'd probably want him to coach the team (without running the franchise of course) so this way he could feel the misery of the team he put together.




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9/29/2008  1:53 AM
MDA is a good coach but not that good. Well in the broadest terms that is. He at least has the potential to win 50 or more games in the regular season which is something a lot of coaches can't say. his coaching style has a chance to make the Knicks win more games sooner, but there's still the issue of his playing style not working deep in the playoffs.

Also I didn't realize this until now, but MDA can't increase the trade value of most of the players on this roster. He'll probably increase the trade value of some (the 6-8 that will fit his style and the one's he'll play). But every other player will be scarcely used, and their trade value will at best remain the same. I expect Marbury to be one of the players D'antoni will want to get rid of, and obviously also Curry who's well paid and practically untradeable as it is.

Also If Zach Randolph doesn't make the rotation his value will stay the same or decrease as well, meaning the Knicks may as well give up a 1st to get rid of him cause there's no other way to be under the Cap by 2010-2011 offseason.
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9/29/2008  2:08 AM
Nixluva is in denial. He doesn't want to address Mr. Pringles record without Steve Nash.
Nixluva, Steve Nash is not walking through this door. Probably he will but he will be too old by then.
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9/29/2008  2:27 AM
Well, I don't think D'antoni need's a Steve Nash caliber player to be successful. But, I do think Nash was a big reason why the Suns were 60+ win good at one point. I think to some degree Mike made Steve Nash better as well. He wasn't that good in Dallas.
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9/29/2008  6:35 AM
A coach makes a BIG difference in how individual players play as well as the team plays as a functioning unit. Players are already responding to the new coach!

For the Knicks to go from cellar dwellers to NBA Champions is not going to happen this year. But they can become a better and more enjoyable to watch basketball team.
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9/29/2008  8:13 AM
Talk is cheap. Will see how this will work out.
One thing is for sure - organization managed to make it intriguing. How long it will be interesting? This is another question.


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9/29/2008  8:37 AM
We've heard a lot of this before.

If he starts Lee & Chandler up front like I think he wants to, then seeing will be believing.

But, if its Curry, Zach & Q, then its more of the same.
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9/29/2008  10:24 AM
reading posts about d'antoni and walsh and the lack of optimism just highlights the amount of abuse the knicks organization inflicted on their fanbase over the past few years. wow.
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9/29/2008  10:36 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:


I don't get why you are only judging the team on this coming year. The New York Knicks are in a rebuilding situation and they have a fine coach who has had some pretty decent success in this league. I think most of the people who are happy about D'Antoni aren't looking at this year, but looking towards the future knowing that we have a coach set in place now all we gotta do is weed out the players.

What's the crime in that?

As long as you agree we need to weed out a lot of this roster. There are some that are giving the impression that they believe Mike D is going to make Isiah's vision work. That's just not going to happen. They will be better than last year but they won't be any better than the year before where prior to injuries we had a shot at about 37 or 38 wins. Sadly, that's the ceiling for this roster, no matter who coaches.



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9/29/2008  10:54 AM
MDA style of coaching is based on treating people like adults. How many fathers out there treat their 5 year old like an adult? This is what he is dealing with children in adult bodies. If he holds these guys accountable in practice and games then it will work. If he plays Curry, or had Marbury on the team or let Zach walk down the floor then it will be the same crap as the prior years. We drafted Brien Taylor I mean Gallo over guards that could help us right now. Our plan is pray that in 2010 someone wants to play for the Knicks, if that doesnt happen plan B is what?
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9/29/2008  10:57 AM
Posted by fimslim3:

Just because you have a set rotation it doesn't mean you wont suck. Larry Brown's knicks were going to suck rotation or no rotation. If you look at Brown's track record he basically picks the team apart in his first season, Knicks were going to be no different.

No it doesn't, but what I think they are aiming at is some sense of stability and accountability, and sometimes you put the best 5 out there and you are just not good enough, but at least you can establish an enviornment where the best guys play, the guys who play the hardest play. It doesn't always result in wins, but it builds a culture of accountability and hard work, and hopefully you can get the players in that can win, but your foundation must be set....
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9/29/2008  11:00 AM
Posted by tkf:

it builds a culture of accountability and hard work

Which is priority one at this point in time, IMO.

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9/29/2008  11:08 AM
If that is the culture how does Steph has a clean slate?
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9/29/2008  11:28 AM
MDA style of coaching is based on treating people like adults. How many fathers out there treat their 5 year old like an adult? This is what he is dealing with children in adult bodies.

I can't believe you just dissed David Lee like that.

oohah

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9/29/2008  11:33 AM
"My job is that every night, we want to be competitive and win. You can't just say to wait until next year. My job is to win every night, and I'm going to play the guys that give me the best shot to win...

I read this excerpt too, and I liked it. One thing that pissed me off about Brown and then Isiah were that they had personal agendas that did not include giving the team the best chance to win every night, like trying to feature Curry so he did not look like a shytty pickup, or trying to learn Dolan a lesson.

I'm sick of that crap! I want a coach to coach with one thing in mind: Getting a win. all the other crap will sort itself out.

I'm tired of watching our young bucks who have the most heart and are the least selfish get hosed.

I want to see Lee start if he deserves it (Again). I want to see Robinson play in front of Crawford if Crawford keeps on playing the same. I want to see Curry sit and let Randolph get get the 3 square meters Curry occupies on the floor.

I want change we can believe in!

oohah

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9/29/2008  11:33 AM
Posted by Cosmic:


As long as you agree we need to weed out a lot of this roster. There are some that are giving the impression that they believe Mike D is going to make Isiah's vision work. That's just not going to happen. They will be better than last year but they won't be any better than the year before where prior to injuries we had a shot at about 37 or 38 wins. Sadly, that's the ceiling for this roster, no matter who coaches.

I'm glad you're painting ME with the broadest of brushes. It's funny 8 months ago I was considered a Capo in Islesfan's UKMafia and now people are saying "as long as you think we need to weed out the roster...."


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9/29/2008  11:34 AM
I was considered a Capo in Islesfan's UKMafia

Vilefan was never in UK Mafia.

oohah

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9/29/2008  11:37 AM
Posted by oohah:
I was considered a Capo in Islesfan's UKMafia

Vilefan was never in UK Mafia.

oohah

That's because you were conveniently ignoring his posts...
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