Yeah, apparently from CNN, Independents did not like McCain "you don't know what you are talking about". I think it was an even debate. McCain kept beating on Obama about the surge. Obama went back at him saying McCain thinks the war began back in 2007. I notice that it was Obama who also kept bringing up Bin Laden and going after him. McCain seemed to back off that. Obama held his own on McCain's speciality. He needed to knock Obama out of the park.

Obama seemed to knock McCain "Out of the park" on the financial issues. Those freeze comments were downright scary, by McCain.

Posted by Hank:

McCain's experience 20+ years of public speaking showed tonight. He didn't stutter as much as Barack, his answers were more focus, and he did better a job anticipating and countering attacks. Kind of disappinted that Barack didn't do better a job explaining why he doesn't support the war in Iraq and why Americans shouldn't either. Obama tried to focus on too many reasons, when one or two detailed reasons would be more than enough.

My response was based on the second half of the debate. I didn't get to see/hear them talk about the financial issues, only tuned in after they started talking about Russia fighting Georgia.

[Edited by - hank on 09-26-2008 11:12 PM]

Obama kept mentioning that $10 billion dollars a month reference. McCain didn't touch that at all.

One scary part that should get the biggest attention is that McCain actually said he would shut down Government spending with the exception of National defense and administration functions. That's basically a federal shut down.

Posted by izybx:

Putting aside whether or not the candidates were right or wrong on the issues, I think that when it came to foriegn policy Mac showed his superior knowledge. Obama could only fall back on the fact that he opposed the Iraq war. When it comes down to who is the superior candidate in dealing with foreign policy in the world that we currently live in, Mccain demonstrated to me that he is the better candidate. Granted, Im as biased toward my candidate as the majority of this board is toward Barry Obama, but its just my two cents.

It's definitely the case that partisans will tend to think their guy won, unless he really blows it like Ford in '76 or Dukakis in '88, etc.

Looks like the crowd here likes image vs answers. You're all impressed by McCain's bluster?

In terms of actual answers Obama won hands down.

In terms of what voters actually pay attention to, slight edge to McCain.

He was non-sensical at times, and even tried to get emotional about how he loves the troops. That sort of bull**** plays well. He hit Obama with attack that lacked truth, but, again since Obama had to defend himself, I think that will fool voters into believing McCain was stronger.

It's who's right vs who's loud.

Obama made him look foolish at times, and there are points I can't understand Obama not bringing up. Like the Keating 5 and the fact that Iraq's leaders agree with him on withdrawal.

I'll call this one a tie.


[Edited by - LBeast on 09-26-2008 11:40 PM]

Posted by LBeast:

Looks like the crowd here likes image vs answers. You're all impressed by McCain's bluster?

In terms of actual answers Obama won hands down.

In terms of what voters actually pay attention to, slight edge to McCain.

He was non-sensical at times, and even tried to get emotional about how he loves the troops. That sort of bull**** plays well. He hit Obama with attack that lacked truth, but, again since Obama had to defend himself, I think that will fool voters into believing McCain was stronger.

It's who's right vs who's loud.

Obama made him look foolish at times, and there are points I can't understand Obama not bringing up. Like the Keating 5 and the fact that Iraq's leaders agree with him on withdrawal.

I'll call this one a tie.


[Edited by - LBeast on 09-26-2008 11:40 PM]

I wouldnt be taking much of a risk by saying that if we liked image vs answers we would all love Obama. Mccain looks old and frail, and the scars from his service and his cander are pronounced. In terms of answers Obama won in the eyes of his supporters, and the same goes to Mccain. One thing that cant be denied, Mccain's experience in foreign policy matters is vastly superior to Obamas, which is fine if that is not an issue for you.

imho, i'm looking at two weak candidates that do not give me any confidence in fixing this country. i am not inspired by either guy. and i see alot of empty promises from both sides. i think there's a high chance that the winner of this election will last only one term...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-27-2008 12:54 AM]

One interesting thing that seems to happen with these debates - the consensus on who won tends to emerge after a few days and it isn't always apparent immediately after the debate.

I think a tie in this case is a win for Obama, given that foreign policy is supposed to be McCain's strong suit.

And again, on demeanor and temperament, I think the edge goes to Obama.

But I guess we'll see in the coming days who really "won".

dig this shiot

McCain came off to me as a total bitch. He's winey and arrogant. He's still talking about experience yet picked a no name Govenor of alaska to run with him to get the hilary votes. McCain has all this "experience" yet talked about canceling the debate to concentrate on the economic crisis.

There was one part of the debate where McCain was trying to call Obama out about talking with world leaders without any conditions. He brought up some douche bag that I can't recall and Obama explained himself.....Obama was basically like duh, you can't expect him to meet with maniacs without certain things happening. Then McCain continues like Obama didn't just say that wasn't the case. McCain was sounding like a little kid mocking someone during recess.

Damn man, all the experience and he still comes off looking like a total bitch. Its comical. I've said it before I can't understand why anyone would consider voting for this guy.

As far as the next few months and 4 years down the line? Both of these guys are screwed. There is nothing they can do in months, or the first year or 2 to really make things that are happening now disappear. Either candidate will get screwed.

while I'm talking about the economy.......isn't it funny that just 6 months ago it seemed like everything was cool? Banks opening up everywhere. Like a banking boom. All the big spaces around town have been getting filled with banks. Now we are in an economic crisis that people are saying "another great depression" and even "armagedon". What the hell is going on seriously? And why all of a sudden things start poppin off less that 2 months before election day? Where the hell is Playa?!?!?