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GKFv2
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9/22/2008  3:37 PM
Dallas would laugh their ass off at this offer.
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9/22/2008  3:39 PM
I'm pretty much with sebstar here. What exactly has Josh Howard done that is so awful? Smoked weed and perhaps used some poor judgment in handling the situation? As if so few people in the world have ever done either.

As for his comments about national anthem, I can say that I often share similar sentiments and I am a self identified white male. Does this make one "anti-American" or "un-patriotic?" Hardly. These terms are filled with holes, as dissent as a foundation of this nation is probably more American than "patriotism," which one might want to reflect on as overemphasis on this has shown its ugly head by leading to forms of jingoism a la the Iraq War and Guantanamo Bay.

And he's wrong for criticizing the national anthem? Are people of color wrong to be upset about the conditions that have been presented to them by Western imperialism and colonialism?

When Muhammad Ali criticized U.S. foreign policy and went to jail refusing to go to Vietnam was he also "unpatriotic?"


His act did not necessarily reflect foolishness, as much as a rebellious attitudes that is held by more than a few citizens of this country who do not share all of the dominant views held by those with the most power and privilege. ESPN pundits suggesting he needs to be traded because the fans won't approve borders on supporting institutional racist behaviors practiced by businesses that have long gone unchecked.

I am dismayed to hear pundits even suggesting he can be traded for this on any legitimate level. You can't fire or reprimand someone for such behavior, which is effectively what would take place if he was traded. If he hit someone or did something else illegal (other than smoking weed, as if no one else does that, and the NBA already has a policy about drug use), then they would be in the right. The NBA has NO PLACE clamping down on this, and to hear them use the ultra-conservative NFL commissioner's practices as a model is even more dangerous and inciting.

Simply because one makes a good amount of money from one's abilities does not negate the right to free speech! And to hear the suggestion that he needs to be quiet sounds all to familiar...Josh has to be the "good slave, be grateful and keep his mouth shut.

If he came to the Knicks, I'd welcome him with open arms, although I doubt this will happen, and I don't think Cuban will deal Josh anytime soon.
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9/22/2008  3:45 PM
I personally don't care what Josh said or if he smokes pot. A loooooooooot of NBA players smoke pot. But I just don't think the Knicks need this controversy right now. We have already dug ourselves a hole and need to walk the straight and narrow unfortunately at this point.
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9/22/2008  4:07 PM
i'd make that trade personally... i think Josh is 1 of the top SF's in the game... he said some idiotic things recently & has been in the news but the guy plays hard on both ends of the floor & we are severely lacking in players who do that right now... Josh's contract expires after next season w/a team option for 2010, so u could either use him in a trade next season or just let him come off the books & clear cap room for a run at Lebron or D Wade in 2010... the only downside is that it makes Wilson Chandler & Gallo's roles on this team very unclear... if u could trade Curry & Chandler for Josh & DAL's #1 pick i'd do it tho.
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9/22/2008  4:19 PM
Ever since Howard got paid he stopped doing what got him paid. He's turned more and more into a lazy chucker. He's a complete idiot off the court.

Why anyone would want this clown on this team is beyond me.

Whoever said he would turn things around here because winning cures all is insane given the Mavs have been winning and we've been the ones losing. If anything he'd become even more of a malcontent.

Whoever compared him to Sprewell and the situation Spree walked into needs to be punched in the eye in the hope they'd recall the difference between Spree and Howard (Spree a vastly superior player and attitude) and the situation are Knicks are in now versus then (If I have to remind you of the difference maybe you never witnessed the recent past).

Josh Howard? Hell no.

A pot smoking lazy racist chucker? Is this the guy today's fans covet? Granted, our team is terrible, but, Josh Howard isn't the cure - he'd instantly be part of the problem - you can count on that.

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9/22/2008  4:23 PM
while Eddy Curry is clearly part of the solution now... gotcha.
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9/22/2008  4:28 PM
A pot smoking lazy racist chucker?

Josh Howard is a racist?

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9/22/2008  4:34 PM
Posted by oohah:
A pot smoking lazy racist chucker?

Josh Howard is a racist?

oohah

He's not? Really?

So his "Im Black I don't celebrate that ****" isn't racist? Sure sounds like it to me. He isolated himself from our National Pride and used his own race as a reason for it. If that is not racist I don't know what is.
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9/22/2008  4:36 PM
Posted by TMS:

while Eddy Curry is clearly part of the solution now... gotcha.

Huh? Curry stinks we know this.

What does that have to do with a lazy racist pot smoking chucker looking to do nothing but get in more and more trouble off the court as his on the court game dwindles?

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9/22/2008  4:36 PM
It would be crazy not to do this deal. He smokes pot. Big deal. It's a fake controversy because he didn't do anything really controversial and the controversy will fade quickly. It's not like he choked his coach. Now, he's one of the best two-way SFs in the league. You have to make room for him if you can get him. I do agree with GKFv2, though, that Dallas would laugh at this offer. At a bare minimum, I think we'd have to include D Lee in the deal.
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9/22/2008  4:38 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

It would be crazy not to do this deal. He smokes pot. Big deal. It's a fake controversy because he didn't do anything really controversial and the controversy will fade quickly. It's not like he choked his coach. Now, he's one of the best two-way SFs in the league. You have to make room for him if you can get him. I do agree with GKFv2, though, that Dallas would laugh at this offer. At a bare minimum, I think we'd have to include D Lee in the deal.

Smokes pot, gets into trouble with the law, is a racist POS, has gotten lazier and lazier on the court.

Yeah, sorry, I would never do this deal.

And, Yes, this is a moot argument because Dallas wouldn't do this trade.

Guess what, even if they did, I would not.
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9/22/2008  4:39 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by oohah:
A pot smoking lazy racist chucker?

Josh Howard is a racist?

oohah

He's not? Really?

So his "Im Black I don't celebrate that ****" isn't racist? Sure sounds like it to me. He isolated himself from our National Pride and used his own race as a reason for it. If that is not racist I don't know what is.

what he did is not racist, it's called being unpatriotic.

do u even know what racism is? it's the belief that 1 race is what determines our humanity & that it can define 1 race as being superior to another... what those idiots that responded to Josh Howard's comments are what you call racist... Josh Howard's comments themselves weren't racist, just monumentally stupid.
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9/22/2008  4:40 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TMS:

while Eddy Curry is clearly part of the solution now... gotcha.

Huh? Curry stinks we know this.

What does that have to do with a lazy racist pot smoking chucker looking to do nothing but get in more and more trouble off the court as his on the court game dwindles?

because Josh Howard is a damn good player on both ends of the floor... i could give a rat's ass if he smokes weed or not... i bet more than half the players in the league do it.
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9/22/2008  4:44 PM
He's not? Really?

So his "Im Black I don't celebrate that ****" isn't racist? Sure sounds like it to me. He isolated himself from our National Pride and used his own race as a reason for it. If that is not racist I don't know what is.

Then you don't know what "Racist" is. Racism is the actual act of keeping down another race.

The term you are really looking for is prejudiced, and that is not even prejudiced.

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9/22/2008  4:50 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Bonn1997:

It would be crazy not to do this deal. He smokes pot. Big deal. It's a fake controversy because he didn't do anything really controversial and the controversy will fade quickly. It's not like he choked his coach. Now, he's one of the best two-way SFs in the league. You have to make room for him if you can get him. I do agree with GKFv2, though, that Dallas would laugh at this offer. At a bare minimum, I think we'd have to include D Lee in the deal.

Smokes pot, gets into trouble with the law, is a racist POS, has gotten lazier and lazier on the court.

Yeah, sorry, I would never do this deal.

And, Yes, this is a moot argument because Dallas wouldn't do this trade.

Guess what, even if they did, I would not.

What did he do that was racist or unpatriotic or whatever? Legal trouble? Do you mean smoking pot? Lazy on the court? Laziness can't seriously be a reason to keep Eddy over Josh Howard!!!!!
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9/22/2008  4:50 PM
When the man says "I'm BLACK I don't celebrate that ****."

That's when it becomes racist. He's saying BLACK people don't celebrate THAT SHIT.

That SHIT = our country and the freedom our predecessors and current young and women fight for.

If BLACK people don't celebrate that, or shouldn't celebrate that, then he brings RACE into it, not me, he does.

To me, that means, WHITE people celebrate that SHIT, not Josh Howard, cause, Josh Howard is BLACK.

If you can't make the distinction, I can't help you on that, but that's what I and quite a few other people get out of it.




If he wants to be unpatriotic that's fine even if I don't condone that for he disrespects those that enabled him to play a childs game for millions of dollars.

However, he never said "I dont celebrate that ****."

He said "IM BLACK I dont celebrate that ****."

Meaning, BLACKS dont celebrate that ****.

Wanna know something? There's plenty of BLACK people that are angry over his comments as well for being RACIST and UNPATRIOTIC.


He said it, not I, don't try to cover it up on his behalf, he couldn't give a rats ass any of you breathe. That you can count on.

And, in case you missed it, one last time.

"I'm BLACK I dont celebrate that ****."

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Posted by Cosmic:

When the man says "I'm BLACK I don't celebrate that ****."

That's when it becomes racist. He's saying BLACK people don't celebrate THAT SHIT.

That SHIT = our country and the freedom our predecessors and current young and women fight for.

If BLACK people don't celebrate that, or shouldn't celebrate that, then he brings RACE into it, not me, he does.

To me, that means, WHITE people celebrate that SHIT, not Josh Howard, cause, Josh Howard is BLACK.

If you can't make the distinction, I can't help you on that, but that's what I and quite a few other people get out of it.




If he wants to be unpatriotic that's fine even if I don't condone that for he disrespects those that enabled him to play a childs game for millions of dollars.

However, he never said "I dont celebrate that ****."

He said "IM BLACK I dont celebrate that ****."

Meaning, BLACKS dont celebrate that ****.

Wanna know something? There's plenty of BLACK people that are angry over his comments as well for being RACIST and UNPATRIOTIC.


He said it, not I, don't try to cover it up on his behalf, he couldn't give a rats ass any of you breathe. That you can count on.

And, in case you missed it, one last time.

"I'm BLACK I dont celebrate that ****."

Here are some more goddam racists:



oohah

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9/22/2008  5:03 PM
"I'm BLACK I dont celebrate that ****."

In case you missed it:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist


racism
4 dictionary results for: racist
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
[Origin: 1865–70; < F racisme. See race2, -ism]

—Related forms
racist, noun, adjective

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

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So in case you missed it, Howard would have to be stating that Blacks are superior to other races, or that other races are inferior to Blacks in order for racist to have any place in this conversation. Or state that he hates other races.

I wonder how the American Indians we slaughtered and stole from feel about the U.S.A. I'll bet many of them are "racist" too! They should shut up or leave!

This is silly Cosmic.

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9/22/2008  5:19 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by oohah:
A pot smoking lazy racist chucker?

Josh Howard is a racist?

oohah

He's not? Really?

So his "Im Black I don't celebrate that ****" isn't racist? Sure sounds like it to me. He isolated himself from our National Pride and used his own race as a reason for it. If that is not racist I don't know what is.

I'd be interested to read what definition of racism includes something like:
Definition: Racism - When one expresses a lack of interest towards participating in national pride as a result of how one feels a racial group they identify with are treated by such a nation.

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9/22/2008  5:23 PM
oohah, there are actually multiple definitions of racism in use, which leads to a significant problem with such conversation. Effectively, we don't even share a common language to discuss the topic, and everyone believes themselves to be an expert on the subject (often those who by some definitions cannot even be a victim of it).

The idea that one can create their own definition of the term so easily indicates the reality of this problem even more so, I think.

[Edited by - PresIke on 09-22-2008 5:23 PM]
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