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Bonn1997
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Do You Approve or Disapprove of Walsh's Handling of Zach Trades?
Approve, he's waiting for a good deal
Disapprove, he doesn't realize a good deal will never come
I can't decide
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Solace
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9/20/2008  2:00 PM
Disapprove only because Zach needs to be gone for a shorter contract. Getting nothing else in return should be perfectly fine.

That being said, we don't really know what the details are, since the media is unreliable, so I won't instantly blame Walsh. Obviously, if the media is telling the truth, then either trade was a no-brainer.
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9/20/2008  2:01 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Markji:
Posted by izybx:

Hes doing exactly what most of us here have been calling for. Being patient and waiting for a good deal is refreshing after years of Isiah spazzing out. Im sure the right deal will come along at some point in the next couple years.
IZY, I am with you on this one. I think Zach will be gone by the trade deadline.
Gone to prison? Gone to the inactive list with an injury to his microfracture-repaired knee because the chubby guy can't handle the fast paced offense of D'Antoni? There's a lot of bad possibilities you have to take into account too.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-20-2008 10:16 AM]

Haha, the prison line was classic. And possibly will come true. Not sure if Steph's trip to the funny farm will precede it, though.
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9/20/2008  2:13 PM
I approve. The Knicks have a very good team. We have many players with allstar caliber on this squad. What we did not have is good coaching. Now we do. Sure we want to get under the cap by 2010 but you have to take the best deal available. Jumpong the gun will only make you shoot yourself in the foot later.
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9/20/2008  2:24 PM
^We don't have anything coming close to resembling a good team.
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Bonn1997
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9/20/2008  2:34 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

^We don't have anything coming close to resembling a good team.
I think (and hope!) he was being sarcastic. Either that or MisterEarl is back with a new screen name.
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9/20/2008  3:09 PM
Disapprove, he doesn't realize a good deal will never come.
Thank you, Rick Brunson.
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9/20/2008  5:22 PM
When I say good team I am talking in terms of talent. We have all the talent in the world...just no results. Most our players don't suck...their effort and commitment does.
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9/20/2008  6:07 PM
I guess. I've always disliked the word talent because it's so vague. I find it typically just means one or more of the following: The player
a) is very athletic
b) has impressive individual stats
c) is fancy and flashy
d) is impressive on offense but does nothing on defense
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9/20/2008  7:34 PM
Talent is when you have a certain skillset suitable for the NBA. Bruce Bowen has talent b/c he knows EXACTLY what to do on defense. It's a unique talent and most people don't possess it, but it's talent. You don't have to only be good on offense. Marcus Camby has talent. Shotblocking is a pure skill that not everybody can possess. Eddie Curry and Zach and DLee, in my mind, don't have the ability to be shotblockers. They don't have those types of skills. Patrick Ewing Junior DOES have that sort of talent.

Being athletic just means you're athletic. It doesn't mean you have talent. Kind of like a Stromile Swift. Possessing athletic ability AND talent means is very intriguing b/c it shows "Superstar" POTENTIAL. Kind of like Crawford. Kind of like Eddie Curry.

Offensive skills include shooting, passing, dribbling, court awareness, screen setting, yada yada.

Having offensive talent has nothing to do with your defense. If you have talent on offense, it doesn't mean you don't play defense. You're watching the Knicks a little too much, Bonn.
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9/20/2008  7:56 PM
OK, but that's your unique usage of a vague word that can be used in many different ways. For example, I highly doubt there have been many articles in the past 5 years in which Bruce Bowen was described as talented. I bet there are far more describing Jamal Crawford and Eddy Curry as talented actually.
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9/20/2008  9:12 PM
I don't think we can decide, because we're not positive what the actual dynamics of the trade discussions were.

Some of what we have heard- and it likely came from Walsh & Co- is that the other team was looking for a first rounder. I don't know that we can discount whether the terms ever talked about provisions on the first rounder, or swaps of picks, etc.
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9/20/2008  9:31 PM
I approve, cautiously. If giving up a first round pick on top of Zach is the current market then we might as well wait. He's only going up folks. A deal like that can be revisited at any time. All you "lets rebuild" cats are the first ones to get so impatient.

Only problem is the team dynamic this year. He knows we tried shopping his punk ass.
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9/21/2008  7:30 AM
I think deals like the ones that Donnie passed on will always be there if we want them.
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9/21/2008  7:52 AM
But Zach's presence interferes with Eddy's and Lee's games and drives down their trade value. (Your statement also assumes Zach's microfracture repaired knee will be fine.)

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-21-2008 07:52 AM]
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9/21/2008  9:11 AM
can't really give a qualified opinion on this one since none of us know what's being discussed behind the scenes, just some unnamed sources referenced by beat reporters trying to make a deadline, not exactly the most reliable sources of info.

all i can say is that IF the rumored trades were all accurately reported on (& who knows if that's been the case or not), then i'm disappointed a deal hasn't been done by now... personally i wish they'd moved on the rumored Philly deal a couple months ago where we woulda got Reggie Evans & the #16 for Zach & the #6 & called it a day... that's the only trade ever even talked about where we wouldn't have had to lose a 1st round pick outright to dump Zach's contract, & as we all saw there were still some good prospects available after pick 15 this past draft (as there usually are most years).
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9/21/2008  5:14 PM
From Knickerblogger, Mike K, on Walsh's handling of the Zach trade possibilities:
I put myself in the position that I’d rather see no deal than a deal that hurts the Knicks. Trading Randolph fits with both the short and long term plans of New York, and it’s entirely possible that the Knicks can get a better deal down the road. At worst you’d think the Memphis deal should still be available in February.....

Like myself, Hahn believes that Los Angeles wanted a first round pick in order to take Randolph off New York’s hands. To me it doesn’t make sense that New York would refuse to trade Randolph for nothing in return to the Clippers, then work on a deal for Darko & Marko with the Grizzlies. Given Donnie Walsh’s tenure in the business, it seems to make more sense that the Clips wanted a first rounder instead of Walsh failing to realize that getting nothing for Randolph was a smart deal.
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9/21/2008  5:23 PM
I think we forget about doing a bad deal to get under the cap in 2010. If we want a free agent, can't we just pay them and the luxury tax?

We need to concentrate on getting the team better, that will put us in a position to attract FAs. Remember how Kobe really didn't want to be here?
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9/21/2008  7:15 PM
Posted by nymoorestx:

I think we forget about doing a bad deal to get under the cap in 2010. If we want a free agent, can't we just pay them and the luxury tax?

u can't sign any FA's for more than MLE money if you're over the cap.

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9/22/2008  8:01 AM
Actually- I want to change my vote from 'Can't Decide' to 'disapprove'.

A point I just realized on the Stuck with Zach thread:

When Walsh realized he couldn't move Zach without including a first rounder, he should have gone with option B: Curry.

He sure doesn't save as much money in 2010, and he might opt out (please!), but he clears the roster log jam up front, and a starting line up of Zach & Lee with Chandler/Gallo/JJ2 as the back ups would be pretty mean with D'Antoni as the coach.
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9/22/2008  9:11 AM
Posted by franco12:

Actually- I want to change my vote from 'Can't Decide' to 'disapprove'.

A point I just realized on the Stuck with Zach thread:

When Walsh realized he couldn't move Zach without including a first rounder, he should have gone with option B: Curry.

He sure doesn't save as much money in 2010, and he might opt out (please!), but he clears the roster log jam up front, and a starting line up of Zach & Lee with Chandler/Gallo/JJ2 as the back ups would be pretty mean with D'Antoni as the coach.
Teams may want to see how Eddy recovers from knee surgery before trading for him. I also don't think we'd save much money in that deal because Jaric makes about $7 mil in 2010.
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