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Nalod
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9/19/2008  11:03 AM
My guess is he has no trade value as many teams are not holding too many bloated players anymore. I doubt we take back anything of value.

If anyone wants Marbury they likley already have contacted his agent and the knicks. We perhaps save 2 million by waiving him and the new team picks up the 2mil so he is whole and still a "max player" in his mind. Miami is rumored to want him.

He be a fine addition for a rookie coach and a great role model for Beasley!

I can see him going to europe this winter then deal with a ego deflation not being a starter and being paid. He can take his money and say he is doing europe to check it out and then ask for money in another season. He'll get injured and just fade away.
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9/19/2008  11:09 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think the author is just speculating based on the evidence but doesn't have anymore knowledge on this situation than the rest of this group.

Pretty much.

I wish they would just waive him though. There is no point on keeping Marbs unless there was reason to believe a bonified star wanted to get outta dodge. Only player I can think of is Carmelo....he's annoyed Camby was traded. Iverson is still on that team and is quiet as a mouse. Who else is worth the trouble?
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9/19/2008  11:13 AM
I'm not usually superstitious, but I am about Stephon Marbury. He's not a bad player. He's got a great first step, he's good at finishing and dishing off when his path is blocked. More recently, he's worked on his defense and gotten pretty good at it. The problem is, he's like a bad luck charm.

Wherever he goes, he brings bad luck. Teams that he's on never do well. The year after he leaves, those teams seem to do better - sometimes dramatically. Someone pointed out that even Steve and Barry's went into Chapter 11 after getting into a business relationship with Marbury.

My point of view is that it's nothing personal and not even a reflection on his game or on his personality. Without meaning to, he has a way of saying things that are so funny, I get a great laugh out of it. But Stephon is bad luck. You have to get rid of bad luck, so Stephon has to go.
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9/19/2008  11:22 AM
Posted by Ira:

I'm not usually superstitious, but I am about Stephon Marbury. He's not a bad player. He's got a great first step, he's good at finishing and dishing off when his path is blocked. More recently, he's worked on his defense and gotten pretty good at it. The problem is, he's like a bad luck charm.

Wherever he goes, he brings bad luck. Teams that he's on never do well. The year after he leaves, those teams seem to do better - sometimes dramatically. Someone pointed out that even Steve and Barry's went into Chapter 11 after getting into a business relationship with Marbury.

My point of view is that it's nothing personal and not even a reflection on his game or on his personality. Without meaning to, he has a way of saying things that are so funny, I get a great laugh out of it. But Stephon is bad luck. You have to get rid of bad luck, so Stephon has to go.

I agree, except it IS his personality. And by extension, his game.



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9/19/2008  11:26 AM
Posted by Ira:

I'm not usually superstitious, but I am about Stephon Marbury. He's not a bad player. He's got a great first step, he's good at finishing and dishing off when his path is blocked. More recently, he's worked on his defense and gotten pretty good at it. The problem is, he's like a bad luck charm.

Wherever he goes, he brings bad luck. Teams that he's on never do well. The year after he leaves, those teams seem to do better - sometimes dramatically. Someone pointed out that even Steve and Barry's went into Chapter 11 after getting into a business relationship with Marbury.

My point of view is that it's nothing personal and not even a reflection on his game or on his personality. Without meaning to, he has a way of saying things that are so funny, I get a great laugh out of it. But Stephon is bad luck. You have to get rid of bad luck, so Stephon has to go.


Good points.

ToxicBury did not take down Steve and Barry's in as much as there were few urban attractive athletes that would take the deal they offered when they perhaps had alternatives.

But it does not help when your product is in full force, doing well, about to launch your 2nd "movement tour" on the heals of the massive success of the first year and then he has a nervous break down, publically acts the fool, admits to adultery and laughts about it, then has a disasterous season.

Bad karma, luck, aura, toxic, this guy is all of that but the bottom line is he can produce, but is no winner and no leader.

This team is still young and does not need to be undermined by anyone. Let this coach have his way and create a culture he see's fit.
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9/19/2008  11:30 AM
Well now that I mention it.....would a Marbs for Iverson trade make sense?

Iverson wants to run and gun. Marbs just wants to do him.

George Karl needs a scoring point guard, that wants to drive and dish if he doesn't have a shot. That's Marbs game. With a guy like JR Smith, you can't have Iverson taking over all the time. Marbs is a bitch, but aside from scoring he is a able passer that doesn't want to take the last shot. Carmelo and JR Smith do. I think it brings better balance. To what they are doing in Denver.

As far as iverson? Well D'antoni likes spacing, ball movement and running like crazy. He likes shot makers. Iverson could be his point guard to push the rock and finally be used back-door and as a decoy. Iverson's whole game even at his age is all about taking advantage of the defense. That D'antoni all the way. D'antoni would NOT simply isolate Iverson like Karl. D'antoni will get iverson on the right wave length. Iverson and Craw in the backourt, with Nate and Duhon? Its kinda disgusting....in a good way.

I'm just ranting out don't mind me.

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9/19/2008  11:36 AM
If you were to get Iverson, you would HAVE to make Duhon the starting PG, with Iverson at SG. Iverson is no PG. He can do it in spurts, just like Crawford, but there's no way those 2 coexist, just like Curry and Randolph in the frontcourt. Iverson would be great in any system, but at the same time, he doesn't really fit that European style of play. Iverson demands the ball all the time, and it prevents ball and player movement, as D'Antoni commands. Iverson would have to make BIG TIME sacrifices if he wanted to help win a championship for Mike D'Antoni. He wouldn't be playing like he did in Philly or the way he and Melo are playing, that's for sure.

All of that being said, I still love AI and think he can win a championship with the game he has, just not under D'Antoni who would require so much different.
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9/19/2008  12:16 PM
I just don't see the players out there that we could trade Marbury for- makes more sense to let him go & hook on with another team in training camp- its not like he is going to come back to haunt us in the play offs or something- and we could wish for that!

And JJ1 should be forced to show up & be ready or asked to retire or medical exemption.
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9/19/2008  1:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by oohah:

I don't care what Beck says. It is very unlikely that Marbury gets waived. He is in the last year of a huge contract and that is valuable for trades.

Valuable in a trade if you are willing to take salary back.
It could be short-term salary that is irrelevant to our cap situation. Then we'd actually be utiziling our financial advantage over smaller market teams.

Who are we taking on for two years that

A) Makes the same $$$ as Marbury
B) Won't compain about not playing

Or are you saying we might have to trade Marbury for several players? In that case

C) Who are we cutting to make room for this package of players?
D) Dolan may not want to pay the added Lux tax anyway on that extra year.
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9/19/2008  1:36 PM
Yep, the more I realize it, the more I realize that trading Marbs (B/c he's an expiring deal) probably isn't that worth it, unless you can strike gold, and trade him to a really really stupid contending team, who's impatient as hell and willing to mess with their team chemistry and give up one of their good young players (Like the Lakers and Bynum, which isn't happening.) Might as well just get rid of Marbs. Move foward.
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9/19/2008  2:31 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by oohah:

I don't care what Beck says. It is very unlikely that Marbury gets waived. He is in the last year of a huge contract and that is valuable for trades.

Valuable in a trade if you are willing to take salary back.
It could be short-term salary that is irrelevant to our cap situation. Then we'd actually be utiziling our financial advantage over smaller market teams.

Who are we taking on for two years that

A) Makes the same $$$ as Marbury
B) Won't compain about not playing

Or are you saying we might have to trade Marbury for several players? In that case

C) Who are we cutting to make room for this package of players?
D) Dolan may not want to pay the added Lux tax anyway on that extra year.

Also, anyone who actually wants Marbury probably assumes we will waive him or buy him out if we can't find a deal because we won't want him here at any cost. So they'll just wait it out until we waive him.

There aren't too many packages out there for players whose contract or multiple contracts that end in 2009 for a team that would actually want Marbury as a contributor or who would want one year of cap relief. I think it's a very improbable trade and that waiving him is the best option at this point.
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9/19/2008  4:13 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Well now that I mention it.....would a Marbs for Iverson trade make sense?

come on bro... AI for Marbs? what would possess the DEN GM to make that trade? maybe if Marbs were to smoke some of that cracka-lacka w/him before he does his next interview?
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9/19/2008  4:15 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yep, the more I realize it, the more I realize that trading Marbs (B/c he's an expiring deal) probably isn't that worth it, unless you can strike gold, and trade him to a really really stupid contending team, who's impatient as hell and willing to mess with their team chemistry and give up one of their good young players (Like the Lakers and Bynum, which isn't happening.) Might as well just get rid of Marbs. Move foward.

exactly... the same way we probably wouldn't have benefitted all that much by holding onto Jalen Rose's expiring max contract, the same probably holds true for Marbs, even moreso because of his bad attitude & franchise wrecking reputation... just buy the sucka out & move forward... no team's gonna give us anything we would want back in a trade & take on his $20 million this season... keep on the path towards cap flexibility in 2010 i say.
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9/19/2008  4:58 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yep, the more I realize it, the more I realize that trading Marbs (B/c he's an expiring deal) probably isn't that worth it, unless you can strike gold, and trade him to a really really stupid contending team, who's impatient as hell and willing to mess with their team chemistry and give up one of their good young players (Like the Lakers and Bynum, which isn't happening.) Might as well just get rid of Marbs. Move foward.

exactly... the same way we probably wouldn't have benefitted all that much by holding onto Jalen Rose's expiring max contract, the same probably holds true for Marbs, even moreso because of his bad attitude & franchise wrecking reputation... just buy the sucka out & move forward... no team's gonna give us anything we would want back in a trade & take on his $20 million this season... keep on the path towards cap flexibility in 2010 i say.

For my money, Marbs should be cut, just for the symbolic meaning behind it. You lose out on a possible trade chip, but I don't think it's worth it. 3 years of his crap, time to move on. The next step for me is a decision between Zach and jerome. You can't cut Zach, so I think they should cut Jerome and then spend the next few months trying to get rid of Zach. You make those three steps and you are showing everyone on the team that you are beginning a new era.
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9/19/2008  5:24 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think the author is just speculating based on the evidence but doesn't have anymore knowledge on this situation than the rest of this group.

Bip, Beck is generally one of, if not the, most reliable reporter on the Knicks beat in terms of accurate reporting.

You could be right, but what evidence do you have to support your own speculation about where he is getting his information from?
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9/19/2008  5:25 PM
no Marbs, Zach & Turd on this roster would be a nice Christmas present for me this year... dare i hope for Fishlips to be in someone else's Christmas stocking than ours too?

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9/19/2008  5:34 PM
Posted by TMS:

no Marbs, Zach & Turd on this roster would be a nice Christmas present for me this year... dare i hope for Fishlips to be in someone else's Christmas stocking than ours too?


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9/19/2008  5:54 PM
Who are we taking on for two years that

A) Makes the same $$$ as Marbury
B) Won't compain about not playing

Or are you saying we might have to trade Marbury for several players? In that case

C) Who are we cutting to make room for this package of players?
D) Dolan may not want to pay the added Lux tax anyway on that extra year.

I'm not speculating on a trade idea yet because I don't have one. However, reading your breakdown above it seems like you might think it is impossible to trade Marbury. I don't buy that at all. If Kwame Brown can be moved for Gasol, anything is possible, and I know for sure that big expiring contracts are very valuable.

If Marbury has anything left in his tank he'll be tradeable to a team looking to cut salary or acquire a PG to make a run at something. We may not get a great player for him, but who knows? Maybe we'll get a pick for him.

I am not for dumping assets in a rush. I am for looking for smart ways to use our assets. There ain't no chemistry to be ruined yet. I think the smart thing to do is bide our time and look for the right situation to move Marbury or Randolph.

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9/19/2008  7:10 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Well now that I mention it.....would a Marbs for Iverson trade make sense?

I'd love to see Stephon Marbury and George Karl together at last.

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