Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by KNICKSdom:

Memphis front office are a bunch of poopheads. They are jealous we have Zach and they don't. I like what Walsh is doing...not bending over for anyone. I'm ok with keeping Zach if Knicks can't get a decent offer for him.

Yeah, that's it.

Hi my name is GKF and I'm just here to be miserable and make sure everyone else feels the same way.....**** the Knicks and **** everyone else who loves them.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Donnie taking his time to study the trade. Continuing the trait that got on Miller's, Bird's and Brown's nerves. Oh well. Welcome to Donnie basketball. Patience at a fault.

Posted by Nalod:

I'd have to say that we are not at liberty to fully render an opinion on these trades as we don't know the details.

Memphis should not use cap flex on a piece of crap like Zdumb and infect their youth movement.

Of course I want him moved for max value, but if they want a valuable 1st round pick as being rumored and want us to pick up deferred salary we just as soon keep him and buy him out a year early then take on mid level talent and salary.

Regarding the Memphis article they are more correct then wrong, even if we don't like it.

I'd make sure Isiah has to read it and sign off as part of his meager job (that pays well!)

So far we have had two teams try to get Zdumb. He does have some value. But Walsh is being cool and holding on.

I'll relate my own recent experience. I have a piece of real estate on the market for the last 4 months. Things went from bad to really really bad. I did not lower my price as the amount of people looking have dropped and there is just not as many buyers. My property was fairly priced, and despite those around me lowering my price, I held tight. My reasoning was the property had unique features in the marketplace and once the right person came along they would HAVE to have it. Those looking to steal a property need look elsewhere. I was not forclosing, nor desporate. This past weekend I got a solid offer preapproved with money and no contingencies. Got 98% of what I was asking which is great in this environment and we close in 6 weeks.

So I think that if your desporate teams will try to steal z-dumb but those that really need him, warts and all will eventually make a FAIR offer for him.

He is nobody's answer, but he will put up numbers and can help the right team with the right system.

excellent post Nalod. what you did, is exactly what I did in a real estate deal, a year ago... It is called dealing from a position of strength( since you were in no rush to move the property) and not dealing out of fear. when you deal out of fear and in a position of weakness, you will get killed on that deal every single time...

Posted by Anji:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by KNICKSdom:

Memphis front office are a bunch of poopheads. They are jealous we have Zach and they don't. I like what Walsh is doing...not bending over for anyone. I'm ok with keeping Zach if Knicks can't get a decent offer for him.

Yeah, that's it.

Hi my name is GKF and I'm just here to be miserable and make sure everyone else feels the same way.....**** the Knicks and **** everyone else who loves them.

LOL............... you can take the monkey out of the circus, but you can't take the circus out of the monkey eh???



The way Walsh works through his trades is weird. I think it's almost like a old woman at the deli.

[Edited by - anji on 09-11-2008 07:05 AM]

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by tkf:




I don't understand the rush either. It seems like some fans are waiting for him to transform this team into the spurs overnight.... I thought we were supposed to be in favor of rebuilding the right way, being patient, weighing out trades carefully. I guess things really haven't changed with most of the fans..

The rush for me isn't expectations of being the Spurs on opening night....it's to get a few knuckleheads off the team before training camp begins. I think it would be wise to part ways with Marbury and ship Zach out of town by the end of September so those players who remain are not under their influences - of which are apparently quite negative across the board. Waiving Malik would be the right thing and buying out Jerome would also fall under the "fresh start without negative influence" category.

These are moves that can be done without damaging the team - nor do these moves have to be consummated in an Isiah manner. The only tough trade is the Zach one because of what now will come back after the Clipper deal fell through. If this Memphis deal falls through I'd wonder how much worse attempt #3 will be? Probably worse coming back.

If the deal truly is Zach + the 07/08 deferred payment = Darko and Marko ... you take that and count your blessings. It wouldn't be a rushed deal. It'd be a deal you simply must make to improve the overall atmosphere here in New York.

The last thing we need now is Zach showing up to camp. We just don't need that.

Donnie may be patient but he seems to maybe be too patient on this one and that could get us into trouble.

Either way we will be a bad team this year - but I'd rather be a good character bad team looking ahead to better days --- than a bad character 'my god this never ends' losing team still waiting to get rid of it's bad influences. It'll always keep us a step behind in rebuilding.

Trade Zach and come to terms with Marbury and Jerome - and do the right thing and let Malik go.

It shouldn't be as tough as it's being made to be to get this done.

Posted by Bippity10:

Is getting rid of Zach at any cost right now really the best thing for the team, or is it that we as fans just don't want to watch him anymore?

I'm of the mindset that if you can dump Zach for garbage today, you can dump him for garbage tomorrow. So why not try to raise his value? Nobody has given me a compelling reason yet. Other than, we just don't like him as fans.

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Nalod:

I'd have to say that we are not at liberty to fully render an opinion on these trades as we don't know the details.

Memphis should not use cap flex on a piece of crap like Zdumb and infect their youth movement.

Of course I want him moved for max value, but if they want a valuable 1st round pick as being rumored and want us to pick up deferred salary we just as soon keep him and buy him out a year early then take on mid level talent and salary.

That means entirely abandoning the plan for cap space in 2010 when Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Chris Paul and others were available simply because 2 years ago you insisted on holding onto a lottery protected 1st round pick. I can't say I agree.

who said lotto protected?

I read that in one of the threads on this trade. You can't seriously think they asked for an unprotected pick. With the exception of Isiah's blunder, that's unprecedented. You have to assume it's a protected pick (maybe full lottery as I saw somewhere earlier but at least protected) because that's the default although the protection might not be for the full lottery. Wasn't it also like a 2012 pick, if I'm not mistaken, because we've given up more recent picks? If we get a top FA and make other smart moves, we shouldn't be in the lottery then anyway.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-11-2008 5:28 PM]

c.) you keep him, see if he can thrive. If he does, then you don't get robbed when you get rid of him. If he doesn't, if he is a disruption again, then you still have options a and b and you haven't lost a thing.