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BRIGGS
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9/13/2008  8:24 AM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

perhaps, but either way he hasn't proved to even be an all star, let alone a perenial :) one. Basically, he may be worth the money but he'll defenietly not be a superstar on the order of someone like KG, so he won't net you next tier talent for less money. He may substantially underperform and so you might in hindsight be overpaying alot for him. essentially the best you could do y giving him this kind of $ is break even.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

He ain't worth this kind of money yet. Any team that pays him runs a high risk of having an overpaid disappointment for years to come. Don't get me wrong, I love his potential but I'm not sold that he's a prennial all-star as such a slary would dictate.

"Perenial" all-star? They usually get max 7 year contracts with their own team. You're not referring to all-stars but to perenial all-stars. $80 mil is a lot to us ordinary folk but would be a steal for a perenial all-star.


Bynum was surpassing KG before he got hurt. Numbers dont lie and neither do my eyes. My bet is no one here even comes close to watching the Lakers as much as me. I'm not saying Bynum was playing at an unbelievable level because I wanted the Knicks to draft him---but actually watching Bynum game to game you realized that there was NO other NBA player who can check him--that he just TAPPED his offensive potential[which is higher than KG] Remember this guy is 7-1 285 and quite athletic and skilled. That is hard to stop. Does that mean he is worth 80MM? The bottom line--Bynum is healthy and no effect from injury and comes back as he left---Bynum gets 80mm at some point no questions asked.
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9/13/2008  9:31 AM
He wasn't surpassing KG in his prime. Maybe for a brief stretch he put up better #s than KG did this year, though. KG's still great but he's not in his prime. He used to be much faster.
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9/13/2008  1:31 PM
Bynum was surpassing KG before he got hurt.

Bynum was surpassing one of the best all-around player the game has ever seen who was anchoring the Celtics to a championship?

Geez Louise BRIGGS! I guess Kobe is very fortunate to be on Bynum's supporting cast?!

If Bynum is the all-time great in the making you are making him out to be, when he is 21 years old in this upcoming season, which will be his fourth, I expect to see Bynum outperform what Shaquille O'neal did at 21 years old as a rookie: 23.4 PPG, 13.9 RPG, 3.5 BPG, 1.9 assists per game.

I'll bet you wouldn't stake your personal fortune on that!

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9/14/2008  10:59 AM
If I recall, the Lakers were doing better after he got hurt. He's good for sure, but I think alot of what you were seeing is having 2 of the best offesnive playmakers and a team that without him was the most fluid offense in the NBA. Everyone thought Derrick Coleman as gonna be great. Even Magliore who seemed to have busted out went puzling into sub mediocrity.
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Posted by nykshaknbake:

perhaps, but either way he hasn't proved to even be an all star, let alone a perenial :) one. Basically, he may be worth the money but he'll defenietly not be a superstar on the order of someone like KG, so he won't net you next tier talent for less money. He may substantially underperform and so you might in hindsight be overpaying alot for him. essentially the best you could do y giving him this kind of $ is break even.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

He ain't worth this kind of money yet. Any team that pays him runs a high risk of having an overpaid disappointment for years to come. Don't get me wrong, I love his potential but I'm not sold that he's a prennial all-star as such a slary would dictate.

"Perenial" all-star? They usually get max 7 year contracts with their own team. You're not referring to all-stars but to perenial all-stars. $80 mil is a lot to us ordinary folk but would be a steal for a perenial all-star.


Bynum was surpassing KG before he got hurt. Numbers dont lie and neither do my eyes. My bet is no one here even comes close to watching the Lakers as much as me. I'm not saying Bynum was playing at an unbelievable level because I wanted the Knicks to draft him---but actually watching Bynum game to game you realized that there was NO other NBA player who can check him--that he just TAPPED his offensive potential[which is higher than KG] Remember this guy is 7-1 285 and quite athletic and skilled. That is hard to stop. Does that mean he is worth 80MM? The bottom line--Bynum is healthy and no effect from injury and comes back as he left---Bynum gets 80mm at some point no questions asked.

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9/14/2008  12:34 PM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

If I recall, the Lakers were doing better after he got hurt. He's good for sure, but I think alot of what you were seeing is having 2 of the best offesnive playmakers and a team that without him was the most fluid offense in the NBA. Everyone thought Derrick Coleman as gonna be great. Even Magliore who seemed to have busted out went puzling into sub mediocrity.
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

perhaps, but either way he hasn't proved to even be an all star, let alone a perenial :) one. Basically, he may be worth the money but he'll defenietly not be a superstar on the order of someone like KG, so he won't net you next tier talent for less money. He may substantially underperform and so you might in hindsight be overpaying alot for him. essentially the best you could do y giving him this kind of $ is break even.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

He ain't worth this kind of money yet. Any team that pays him runs a high risk of having an overpaid disappointment for years to come. Don't get me wrong, I love his potential but I'm not sold that he's a prennial all-star as such a slary would dictate.

"Perenial" all-star? They usually get max 7 year contracts with their own team. You're not referring to all-stars but to perenial all-stars. $80 mil is a lot to us ordinary folk but would be a steal for a perenial all-star.


Bynum was surpassing KG before he got hurt. Numbers dont lie and neither do my eyes. My bet is no one here even comes close to watching the Lakers as much as me. I'm not saying Bynum was playing at an unbelievable level because I wanted the Knicks to draft him---but actually watching Bynum game to game you realized that there was NO other NBA player who can check him--that he just TAPPED his offensive potential[which is higher than KG] Remember this guy is 7-1 285 and quite athletic and skilled. That is hard to stop. Does that mean he is worth 80MM? The bottom line--Bynum is healthy and no effect from injury and comes back as he left---Bynum gets 80mm at some point no questions asked.
That's because they added Pau Gasol right around when he got hurt. I'm not sure though if they were doing better or just maintaining their record when he got hurt. TMS pointed out to me a while ago when I was criticizing Kobe that his team was doing very well even before the Gasol trade. And regardless of the breakdown of their record with vs. without either Gasol or Bynum, it should be clear from the playoffs that they really needed Bynum's toughness in the middle.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-14-2008 12:35 PM]
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9/14/2008  4:44 PM
Bynum had a month long stretch of excellent play in December & early Jan before he got injured & the Lakers went 14 - 3... his importance to that team is definitely significant... still, i just think it's way too premature to proclaim the guy to be a top player in the NBA based on that short of a sample... i have no doubt the guy's gonna be a good one at this point but he still has a ways to go to work on his offensive game & develop a consistent go to move, like a turn around midrange jump hook or other move to complement his game that he can knock down w/consistency... defensively he's well on his way to becoming 1 of the best bigmen in the game... i don't think the Lakers have much choice but to pay the kid but it doesn't mean these guys all deserve the dollars they're making.
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9/15/2008  11:21 AM
They better pay him now before he really explodes into a monster. Because then he'll be worth much more and they won't like paying him a 100 mill then. Now if the injury was so bad that he can never reach his potential....then yeah they shouldn't pay him 80.

But when has the guy not shown the DRIVE to become one of the great players in the league? He has the fire, let him burn some green.
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9/15/2008  11:44 AM
Cartman, that's how the NBA works. I agree, if they want to keep him they are going to have to anti-up because I think someone in the NBA will offer a salary in that range. I personally don't think he's earned it, but he does have some bargaining power right now because of his potential.
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9/15/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Cartman, that's how the NBA works. I agree, if they want to keep him they are going to have to anti-up because I think someone in the NBA will offer a salary in that range. I personally don't think he's earned it, but he does have some bargaining power right now because of his potential.

At least it wouldn't be like they spent 60 mill on Jerome James and Jared Jeffries!!! plus luxury tax!

[Edited by - cartman718 on 09-15-2008 12:52 PM]
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9/15/2008  12:58 PM
Posted by Cartman718:
Posted by Bippity10:

Cartman, that's how the NBA works. I agree, if they want to keep him they are going to have to anti-up because I think someone in the NBA will offer a salary in that range. I personally don't think he's earned it, but he does have some bargaining power right now because of his potential.

At least it wouldn't be like they spent 60 mill on Jerome James and Jared Jeffries!!! plus luxury tax!

[Edited by - cartman718 on 09-15-2008 12:52 PM]

Ugh. Bynum could retire days after signing the contract and it would still be a better deal.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 15-09-2008 12:59 PM]
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