Posted by Nalod:


So you view Irans threat as not legit to the safety of Israel?

Lets discuss that point before we send chuck norris, or James Bond to fix Iran.

Is Irans threat an empty one???

Lets isolate this. Not Iraq, not North Korea, Just Iran's threat to nuke Israel.

And we should either sit back and let it happen? What are the circumstances if Israel does it? Anyone really think Iran won't try to light up Israel??

Israel isn't my top concern. But I'm curious as to why an American citizen wouldn't consider this country's interest top priority. Also Israel has nuclear weapons so again how can they demand something of another country that you won't do themselves.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 09-08-2008 4:42 PM]

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Nalod:


So you view Irans threat as not legit to the safety of Israel?

Lets discuss that point before we send chuck norris, or James Bond to fix Iran.

Is Irans threat an empty one???

Lets isolate this. Not Iraq, not North Korea, Just Iran's threat to nuke Israel.

And we should either sit back and let it happen? What are the circumstances if Israel does it? Anyone really think Iran won't try to light up Israel??

Israel isn't my top concern. But I'm curious as to why an American citizen wouldn't consider this country's interest top priority. Also Israel has nuclear weapons so again how can they demand something of another country that you won't do themselves.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 09-08-2008 4:42 PM]

Posted by nykshaknbake:

Iran is run by nutjobs.

Posted by Nalod:




Playa, your historical presidence of who we back is way out dated. That was over 20 years ago. If Iran had the bomb back then and wanted to blow up Iraq killing millions you think thats cool?

Be a citizen of the world! And Playa, back then when you served, would have given your life so save 1,000 innocent civilians even if they did not agree with your idealology?

Are you "america first?"

It's not outdated Nalod, I served over 20 yrs ago.

I was invloved with a multi-peacekeeping force back in 83-84 off the coast of Lebanon.

You remember the Marine Barracks that was blown up by a kamikazze truck driver full of explosives.

Our gunmount dispersed 15 rounds into the mountains there.

It was very intense time for me. Patroling in circles 5 knots all day long.

Threats of gunboats and prop planes coming to try and blow us on impact.

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by playa2:

Posted by Nalod:




Playa, your historical presidence of who we back is way out dated. That was over 20 years ago. If Iran had the bomb back then and wanted to blow up Iraq killing millions you think thats cool?

Be a citizen of the world! And Playa, back then when you served, would have given your life so save 1,000 innocent civilians even if they did not agree with your idealology?

Are you "america first?"

It's not outdated Nalod, I served over 20 yrs ago.

I was invloved with a multi-peacekeeping force back in 83-84 off the coast of Lebanon.

You remember the Marine Barracks that was blown up by a kamikazze truck driver full of explosives.

Our gunmount dispersed 15 rounds into the mountains there.

It was very intense time for me. Patroling in circles 5 knots all day long.

Threats of gunboats and prop planes coming to try and blow us on impact.

Who was the threat from?

Hezbollah which operates with the approval of Syria.

Now for the U.S ACTIONS.

Back in 1983 we secretly dropped off navy seals in raft boats off the coast of EL SALVADOR . When we got back to the states we watched Reagan on TV tell the american public "there were no ships off the coast of El Salvador in the last 6 months" We had just left there.

My point is a lot of secret wars was going on at that time.

Heavan knows why Hezboallah did what they did .

Here's an article from the Elsalvador war the gives me credibility.
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Shortly after taking office in 1981, President Reagan dispatched 55 Green Beret trainers to El Salvador to teach the Salvadoran army better techniques for defeating a resilient band of Marxist-led guerrillas. For years, the Salvadoran military had been more adept at running death squads against civilian targets than at cornering an armed enemy in the country's mountainous terrain. To allay public fears about another Vietnam War, however, Reagan limited the number of Green Berets to 55 and ordered them to avoid combat zones. They were to train only, not advise the Salvadorans in combat situations as Green Berets had done in Vietnam. They also were forbidden to carry M-16s. They were to have only side arms, for self-defense.

MISSING THE STORY
All of these U.S. government pronouncements, the Arlington ceremony made clear, had been lies. But the Post story made only a passing attempt to explain why so little was known about these years of classified combat and why the government cover-ups had been so successful. "Reports of firefights involving U.S. troops were closely held, and field commanders were told in no uncertain terms not to nominate soldiers for combat awards," the Post reported. It then quoted Joseph Stringham, a retired one-star Army general who commanded U.S. military forces in El Salvador in 1983-84. "It had been determined this was not a combat zone, and they were going to hold the line on that," Stringham said. "I've puzzled over why. It may be something as fundamental as the bureaucracy not wanting to reverse itself."

The Reagan administration also might have been surprised how easy it was to gull the Washington press corps and the Congress. No matter how obvious the lies or how illogical the administration's arguments, the media and the Democrats couldn't sustain any serious pursuit of the truth. But the lies did not go completely unchallenged. As early as 1981-82, a few American reporters in Central America were stumbling over the reality of secret U.S. combat operations. One top U.S. military adviser told me about an incident in which he was on patrol with a Salvadoran army unit and was spotted by New York Times correspondent Raymond Bonner. Bonner, renowned for his tough reporting on the early years of the war, was not easily intimidated into doubting his own perceptions. To head off a possible embarrassing disclosure, the Green Beret told me that U.S. officials quickly lined up the Salvadoran soldiers and gave them false affidavits to sign, declaring that there was no American with them. The adviser said the strategy for discrediting honest journalists, such as Bonner, was always an important part of the embassy's strategy for keeping secret the reality on the battlefield.

In early 1982, Bonner also exposed the Salvadoran government's massacre of nearly 1,000 men, women and children at the town of El Mozote in December 1981. After that disclosure, Bonner was targeted by right-wing press "watchdog" groups, such as Reed Irvine's Accuracy in Media, and the Wall Street Journal's editorial page. In congressional testimony, assistant secretaries of state Thomas Enders and Elliott Abrams disputed Bonner's stories. They insisted that an investigation of the incident had concluded that the El Mozote massacre had never happened. As pressure built on The New York Times, then-executive editor Abe Rosenthal flew to El Salvador to assess the complaints about Bonner first-hand. Sympathetic to Ronald Reagan's anti-communist foreign policy, Rosenthal began limiting Bonner's role in the Times' bureau in Central America. Word soon spread that Bonner would be removed.

When I was in El Salvador on a reporting assignment in fall 1982, two senior U.S. officials boasted to me about the embassy's success in discrediting Bonner and orchestrating his departure. In early 1983, Rosenthal did recall Bonner from El Salvador and put him on the business desk in New York. Not long after that, Bonner resigned from the Times. Another case of gutsy reporting was a long investigative article by Frank Greve and Ellen Warren of the Knight-Ridder newspaper chain on Dec. 16, 1984. The piece brought to light the term "bodywashing," the disturbing practice of reporting false details about the circumstances surrounding the deaths of U.S. soldiers involved in secret operations.




[Edited by - playa2 on 09-09-2008 14:16]

Posted by playa2:

I have seen worst than the situation with the brother and sister on this forums.

Somebody at work told me they knew of people that actually happen to in another country where they are from, so that wasn't some far fetched made-up situation.

Some of you don't have a clue how other people outside of yourself actually live and what they experience. Oh Well

Posted by playa2:


Who are you to give your opinion after them ???