they are also playing OFFEENSE my man.

I agree this is getting a bit repetitive, but Im on the disillusioned side too, so I agree with what BRIGGS has been saying lately. This mess is more than difficult to overcome, but doing nothing is not the best way to do so, and definately not what Walsh was expected to do. Offseason is not over yet, so there is still some hope that we may yet do something, but time is expiring wih no signs nor indication of it. If our "star" move is buying out Marbury and let this roster plus Duhon and Gallo to play this next season, I would be very disappointed.

I, along with some other posters here, was already pissed off at last year February trade deadline because we were not in a position to waste chances to improve our cap situation, and we wasted it. So, if this offseason ends with nothing else being done regarding that matter, we will have wasted another opportunity, and we can not afford that. We are the Knicks, damn!! Having been a disgrace for 6 years in a row may justify being uncompetitive for a couple of years, but is no excuse to keep being terrible without any hope nor any significant improvement (Im talking about the cap) during an offseason. I dont know about some of you, but I need more reasons to be excited about my team. Hiring a coach that I never wanted nor fits with our current roster, adding a unncesary and mediocre PG, buying out our best PG (yes, Marbury is the best and more eficient PG we have in spite of everything hes done) and making a high risk draft selection with many question marks is not the offseason I was hoping for.

For sure doing nothing is better than making stupid trades, but Isiah is no longer here and he was the one who agravated the already terrible Layden's legacy. I can not accept "doing nothing" as acceptable during an offseason considering our situation, the same way I did not aproved doing nothing in February. And the worst thing is that Im sure tha if Curry AND Randolph are here for the first regular season game, they both will keep beeing our starting front court. Right now the only reasons I have to watch this team are Wilson Chandler and Gallinari.

So yes, if this is what they are offering to us for this next season, its prety much disappointing.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 23-08-2008 11:33 AM]

Posted by DarkKnicks:

I agree this is getting a bit repetitive, but Im on the disillusioned side too, so I agree with what BRIGGS has been saying lately. This mess is more than difficult to overcome, but doing nothing is not the best way to do so, and definately not what Walsh was expected to do. Offseason is not over yet, so there is still some hope that we may yet do something, but time is expiring wih no signs nor indication of it. If our "star" move is buying out Marbury and let this roster plus Duhon and Gallo to play this next season, I would be very disappointed.

I, along with some other posters here, was already pissed off at last year February trade deadline because we were not in a position to waste chances to improve our cap situation, and we wasted it. So, if this offseason ends with nothing else being done regarding that matter, we will have wasted another opportunity, and we can not afford that. We are the Knicks, damn!! Having been a disgrace for 6 years in a row may justify being uncompetitive for a couple of years, but is no excuse to keep being terrible without any hope nor any significant improvement (Im talking about the cap) during an offseason. I dont know about some of you, but I need more reasons to be excited about my team. Hiring a coach that I never wanted nor fits with our current roster, adding a unncesary and mediocre PG, buying out our best PG (yes, Marbury is the best and more eficient PG we have in spite of everything hes done) and making a high risk draft selection with many question marks is not the offseason I was hoping for.

For sure doing nothing is better than making stupid trades, but Isiah is no longer here and he was the one who agravated the already terrible Layden's legacy. I can not accept "doing nothing" as acceptable during an offseason considering our situation, the same way I did not aproved doing nothing in February. And the worst thing is that Im sure tha if Curry AND Randolph are here for the first regular season game, they both will keep beeing our starting front court. Right now the only reasons I have to watch this team are Wilson Chandler and Gallinari.

So yes, if this is what they are offering to us for this next season, its prety much disappointing.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 23-08-2008 11:33 AM]

Just curious, DK, what coach do you think would fit our roster?

Posted by Panos:

Posted by DarkKnicks:

I agree this is getting a bit repetitive, but Im on the disillusioned side too, so I agree with what BRIGGS has been saying lately. This mess is more than difficult to overcome, but doing nothing is not the best way to do so, and definately not what Walsh was expected to do. Offseason is not over yet, so there is still some hope that we may yet do something, but time is expiring wih no signs nor indication of it. If our "star" move is buying out Marbury and let this roster plus Duhon and Gallo to play this next season, I would be very disappointed.

I, along with some other posters here, was already pissed off at last year February trade deadline because we were not in a position to waste chances to improve our cap situation, and we wasted it. So, if this offseason ends with nothing else being done regarding that matter, we will have wasted another opportunity, and we can not afford that. We are the Knicks, damn!! Having been a disgrace for 6 years in a row may justify being uncompetitive for a couple of years, but is no excuse to keep being terrible without any hope nor any significant improvement (Im talking about the cap) during an offseason. I dont know about some of you, but I need more reasons to be excited about my team. Hiring a coach that I never wanted nor fits with our current roster, adding a unncesary and mediocre PG, buying out our best PG (yes, Marbury is the best and more eficient PG we have in spite of everything hes done) and making a high risk draft selection with many question marks is not the offseason I was hoping for.

For sure doing nothing is better than making stupid trades, but Isiah is no longer here and he was the one who agravated the already terrible Layden's legacy. I can not accept "doing nothing" as acceptable during an offseason considering our situation, the same way I did not aproved doing nothing in February. And the worst thing is that Im sure tha if Curry AND Randolph are here for the first regular season game, they both will keep beeing our starting front court. Right now the only reasons I have to watch this team are Wilson Chandler and Gallinari.

So yes, if this is what they are offering to us for this next season, its prety much disappointing.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 23-08-2008 11:33 AM]

Just curious, DK, what coach do you think would fit our roster?

No coach can make this roster win, but I prefered an "normal" coach. By "norma" I mean not a offensively not especially defensively oriented one. We cant play the "D'Antoni way" because our players cant run nor shoot. With Larry Brown it failed because our players could not play defense. So I guess considering our current situation (the roster is bad, and it seems we cant do anything to make it better anytime soon), we need something in-between or simply a young coach like Mark Jackson to start his career. Flip Saunders for example would have been a better choice for me. Apart from that and just in my personal opinion, though Im not from New York nor American, the image I have always identified the Knicks with, is far from the ideas and style D'Antoni will bring here, in case he succeeds and last here for many years. Anyway, the coach is FAR away from being the main problem we have, and I will root for D'Antoni since he is our coach, no matter if I dislike his style or think he does not fit.

Franco, Phil Jackson wants to send you a reminder of 1994 and a big f@@k you to Hue Hollins.

criticizing d'antoni b/c nobody on the roster fits his style of play is a bizarre angle to take becuase you would believe that the knicks would shape the team around his style, wouldn't you? all i'm saying is the regime changed, isiah is gone (kind of), and i'm willing to let walsh, who has publically said he wants to rebuild, do his thing.

nash owes as much to d'antoni as vice versa. i agree we need a point and hope we can get jennings or whoever the best available point guard is in the draft or on the market, that is the most important piece.

randolph in this system should put up nice numbers, enough to inflate his value and maybe get some draft picks in return. we'll see.

Posted by nixluva:

I think there's a lot of misconception when it comes to D'Antoni. For one thing his teams did play defense.

2007-08 PHX was 7th in the NBA in Point Differential at 5.1. If you don't play D, you can't be top ten in the league in Point Diff.

2006-07 PHX was 2nd at 7.3

2005-06 PHX was 4th at 5.6

Now yes they focused on O, but in order to score more than your opponent you have to be able to STOP them at least once in a while. Well they did that as well as many of the best teams in the league. Points allowed often has more to do with "pace". They aren't a slow it down team and so people assume that they don't defend. They defended. They just didn't grind it out like most defensive styled teams tend to do.

I believe that Mike will get this team to not only play better offense, but also defend better. They just won't be a grind it out team.

I think you are referring to fact that he was coaching one of the best defensive players in the league. There is no misconception about him and defense. That is why he is currently coaching the Knicks and not the Suns.

Also using point differential is one of the strangest ways to try to prove a team is playing defense. It only proves that his team was able to outscore the opposition not defend them. If you miss a shot and I make it, doesn't mean I played defense on you. It only means that shot the ball better than I did.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 08-23-2008 3:42 PM]

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by nixluva:

I think there's a lot of misconception when it comes to D'Antoni. For one thing his teams did play defense.

2007-08 PHX was 7th in the NBA in Point Differential at 5.1. If you don't play D, you can't be top ten in the league in Point Diff.

2006-07 PHX was 2nd at 7.3

2005-06 PHX was 4th at 5.6

Now yes they focused on O, but in order to score more than your opponent you have to be able to STOP them at least once in a while. Well they did that as well as many of the best teams in the league. Points allowed often has more to do with "pace". They aren't a slow it down team and so people assume that they don't defend. They defended. They just didn't grind it out like most defensive styled teams tend to do.

I believe that Mike will get this team to not only play better offense, but also defend better. They just won't be a grind it out team.

I think you are referring to fact that he was coaching one of the best defensive players in the league. There is no misconception about him and defense. That is why he is currently coaching the Knicks and not the Suns.

Also using point differential is one of the strangest ways to try to prove a team is playing defense. It only proves that his team was able to outscore the opposition not defend them. If you miss a shot and I make it, doesn't mean I played defense on you. It only means that shot the ball better than I did.

That team played D. They weren't the best defensive team, but then they didn't have to be. My point is that point diff is a bigtime stat, that shows you a teams actual defensive and offensive impact on their opposition. They won a ton of games and did so convincingly. If they didn't play D, then they would've been the Denver Nuggests!!!! That's what happens when you play only one side of the ball and all you have defensively is one guy. If it was just Amare they'd be the Nuggets, who had Camby and nothing else.

Denver avg'd 110.7 ppg and were 2nd in the league in scoring behind GS another team that only played one side of the court. Denver had a 3.7 point diff and GS only 2.2. Clearly PHX played more D than either of those teams.




[Edited by - nixluva on 08-23-2008 4:38 PM]

Mike D'Antoni does not stress nor respect defense. I'm sorry but it has always been like that in his system. All the kool-aid in the world can't change that.

Posted by Pharzeone:

98-99 Denver Nuggets 14 wins and 36 losses
03-04 Phoenix Suns 21 wins and 40 losses
04-05 Phoenix Suns 62 wins and 20 losses
05-06 Phoenix Suns 54 wins and 28 losses
06-07 Phoenix Suns 61 wins and 21 losses
07-08 Phoenix Suns 55 wins and 27 losses

Steve Nash was acquired as a free agent for the 04-05 NBA season.
True or False SAT question, Mike D'Antoni cannot win without Steve Nash.

He's just not going to win with this' team. Boston, San Antonio, Detroit all recently won without Nash, so he's not the do all guy. That's why Donnie's working on the cap. Two to three more seasons and it's playoff time again folks!