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8/19/2008  4:31 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by King1:

Question I have we havent heard much about Gallinari since summer league. Does anyone kno wif the back is healthy and how workouts have been going?

Well, according to an Italian poster here, he said Gallinari's back is getting better but not fully healed. Further he hasn't been able to practice
with the Italian team. Looks like he's getting much needed rest?

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the kid is 19 and can't play for a summer b/c of back problems? that's crazy...


It's more than something muscular and they are not catching it. I played football in college and we used to lift weights after the games and play pick up basketball the next day[the only off day of the week] no matter what ailed you. The kid is 19-20 years old and its been months--this is not a 32 year old guy. When has a nondescript injury ever put a 19 yo out? If it's muscular and you're 19 you either play through it or take some aspirin/Motrin whatever makes it go away. They better throw him in for another MRI. Look what they did with Bynum--they missed diagnosed his knee injury and caused him to lose 2/3 of the season. If they correctly diagnosed it--he wouldve been back for the last 1/4 of the season and the playoffs. This is just a wrong sign not to be taken lightly. If you're 19 and you just cannot go--something is wrong and he could aggravate it or cause compensation injury.

Yeah, but you left out that Gallo has been playing straight for like a year.
His body needs a rest. I do hope it's not bad. We are not hearing what the symptoms are though, still, I agree with more MRI's and the like.

I agree Paladin55, if it was super serious he would not be there waiting to play. Good point with the weightlifting, that might have contributed to what happened. Let's hope it's not something too serious that went undiagnosed. Remember how long it took Lee to heal?

I guess we really will know some more answers in the next month or so...
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8/19/2008  10:00 AM
Posted by Cartman718:

jumping the gun guys.....Are we gonna let this kid play a regular season game or two for the Knicks before we crucify him?

Most of us have seen him play for 20 minutes and yet we all seem to have fully informed opinions about the result of his NBA career, depending on if we like Walshoni or not.

I will not cause myself undue stress int he offseason and just give the kid a chance. We'll know in short time if the guy can play or not.
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8/19/2008  2:25 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

The Knicks would not let him play in Italy if it was super-serious- that I am sure of. This is the only thing that makes me believe his problem is not major.

I still think it might be related to weight work he had been doing prior to the SL. No proof- just a feeling, because I had read that one of the Knicks trainers said he was working out hard. If I remember correctly, didn't Chandler have some problems later in the SL? I remember him be stretched out in the same way Gallinari had been stretched.

Not that worried, but it would be nice if the Knicks revealed more.

So now I am suppose to have faith in the Knicks medical staff that has been cruficied on this site so much over the years as well in other various news outlets. Wow so did the removal of Isiah make these guys credible now too, there isn't that much kool-aid in the world to make me sign that tune.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 08-19-2008 3:10 PM]
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8/20/2008  12:08 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:


So now I am suppose to have faith in the Knicks medical staff that has been cruficied on this site so much over the years as well in other various news outlets. Wow so did the removal of Isiah make these guys credible now too, there isn't that much kool-aid in the world to make me sign that tune.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 08-19-2008 3:10 PM]

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8/20/2008  12:45 AM
This isn't just about the Knick's staff anyway. The kid is also being cared for by his national teams medical stafff. I'm sure that between the two some kind of proper diagnosis has been reached.

If the Knick's were still so inept then why did they shut him down so fast? Wouldn't that be a sign that they no longer want to take chances with their players? It seems that no one is worried about the seriousness of the injury at this point. This is starting to be a case of guys just looking for reasons to doubt.

How do you think Oden's situation got to be so bad if all medical staffs but ours are near infallible? In sports things happen and it's not always due to incompetence that players get hurt and have to shut it down. With the Knicks it seems that even after multiple tests by different medical teams there still was no clear consensus on a guy like Lee.

I think we all hope that Gallo will be fine and have a great year. Most of all Waltoni really want this kid to be a success, so I don't see them taking any chances with him.
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8/20/2008  5:03 AM
In 2002, the agent for the former Knicks center Marcus Camby accused Scott of failing to diagnose the full extent of a hip injury he sustained. In 1999, Camby expressed skepticism about the diagnosis of his knee injury and said he would take his time returning. In his explanation, Camby noted that center Patrick Ewing tore his Achilles' tendon in the 1999 playoffs after Knicks doctors said a tear was highly unlikely.

Allan Houston has said he came back too soon after having microfracture surgery on his right knee in 2003. But Houston did not specifically blame the medical staff.

NY Times, May 25, 2007 "Knicks Medical Coverage Changing"

March 14, 2007

When the Knicks' medical staff first examined David Lee's sore right leg in late February, the injured forward was told he'd miss a few days. After getting a second opinion on Monday, it turns out a few days meant 30 or 40.

NY Post March 14, 2007 "Lee Rx:3-4 Weeks"

On Tuesday, Antonio McDyess underwent a bone-graft operation on his left knee at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. For McDyess, who missed the entire 2002-03 season, it was the third surgery on the same knee in 19 months. There is a strong possibility that the former All-Star will never play again.

According to the Knicks, additional surgery was needed because McDyess, who had an operation in October to repair a fractured kneecap, was not healing as quickly as anticipated.

The decision raised questions about whether the operation six months earlier was a failure and if the Knicks erred by not detecting a preexisting condition in the power forward's knee when they got him from Denver last June.

There were also whispers about Scott.

"We have complete confidence in Dr. Scott and his medical team," said Knicks president Scott Layden. "He is a world-renowned physician and we are very fortunate to have him."

It is not uncommon for professional athletes in all sports to question the diagnosis of their team doctor. The Knicks' medical staff - Scott, Dr. Fred Cushner, Dr. Peter Bruno and Dr. Henry Clarke - understand the anxiety patients experience and encourage players to seek second and third opinions.

April 28, 2003 "SECOND OPINION DESPITE HIS SUCCESS, KNICKS' DOC NOT IMMUNE TO CRITICISM"

Former Knick Penny Hardaway was in the starting lineup last night for the Heat, amidst a shocking comeback. Hardaway claimed a bone spur in his knee went undetected by the Knicks' medical staff that caused his inability to stay healthy as a Knick. After being waived by the Magic, Hardaway underwent exploratory surgery during which the bone spur was spotted and removed.

"Once they took it out, I started feeling better, that's why I'm able to be back here right now," Hardaway said.
NY Post November 12, 2007

I won't go into anymore detail about Charles Smith, Marbury, Q Rich, Sprewell, etc. Doesn't need to be said. Believe what you want. I know this there's a big difference from making a mistake and being incompetent.
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8/20/2008  10:42 AM
Wow read the papers---Gallinari said no to the Italian national team in the *hope* that he can be healthy by the time the Knicks training camp roles around. I don't believe this is any type of benign muscle injury--this is some kind of tear or worse--perhaps he had a disk jarred when Traylor smacked him? They better put him through another MRI and have seperate doctors look at the results.

Wait the Knicks won't look at a second or third opinion--they always have all the answers.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 08-20-2008 10:46 AM]
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8/20/2008  11:44 AM
tell tale sign will be a hamstring injury later this year...something to keep an eye on...

is he training with q?
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8/20/2008  12:25 PM
To me it's still just speculation until something is confirmed otherwise. In this day and age almost no athlete goes by only the diagnosis of the teams doctors. This has been the case for decades. Most athletes and their managers know that team doc's have a tendency to lean toward the desire of the team to get the player back on the court. This isn't just a NY Knicks thing, It's a sports thing in general. At every level of team sports.

You could find similar stories about almost any team. I'm going to wait and see if this kid can participate in camp or not.
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8/20/2008  12:27 PM
A more positive "conspiracy" suggested by a commenter to Alan Hahn:


Why do I have the feeling that the Knicks and Gallo used his back injury as a convenient excuse to pull Gallo from the Italian games.

I'm not doubting that Gallo was hurt in the summer league but I have a feeling the pain is already gone but that the Knicks and Gallo are orchestrating a scenario where Gallo says he's still in pain while beginning his strength routines under the Knicks trainer.

At least I hope that's the case because if the kids back is still bad this long after the summer league - we may have a melon on our hands.


Interesting theory. What obligations, if any, did Gallo have to the Italian team? Would he play up the injury- plausible deniability- so that he would not lose face in the eyes of Italian fans who wanted him to play? Remember, after all, he is a popular player over there. Are Walsh, Gallo, and probably his agent, this clever? I am damn happy that he did not play.

I assume that some of you will immediately focus on the last line about "melon", though.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 08-20-2008 12:28 PM]
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8/20/2008  12:43 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

A more positive "conspiracy" suggested by a commenter to Alan Hahn:


Why do I have the feeling that the Knicks and Gallo used his back injury as a convenient excuse to pull Gallo from the Italian games.

I'm not doubting that Gallo was hurt in the summer league but I have a feeling the pain is already gone but that the Knicks and Gallo are orchestrating a scenario where Gallo says he's still in pain while beginning his strength routines under the Knicks trainer.

At least I hope that's the case because if the kids back is still bad this long after the summer league - we may have a melon on our hands.


Interesting theory. What obligations, if any, did Gallo have to the Italian team? Would he play up the injury- plausible deniability- so that he would not lose face in the eyes of Italian fans who wanted him to play? Remember, after all, he is a popular player over there. Are Walsh, Gallo, and probably his agent, this clever? I am damn happy that he did not play.

I assume that some of you will immediately focus on the last line about "melon", though.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 08-20-2008 12:28 PM]

i've basically stopped listening or believing ALL media outlets. they don't provide any real insight or inside information. i'd rather go by what i see and trust my own judgements. at this point tho, if you like to read what all these guys are saying, then i would stop paying attention to hahn and anybody else from newsday as they are now owned by the dolans.
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8/20/2008  1:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


i've basically stopped listening or believing ALL media outlets. they don't provide any real insight or inside information. i'd rather go by what i see and trust my own judgements. at this point tho, if you like to read what all these guys are saying, then i would stop paying attention to hahn and anybody else from newsday as they are now owned by the dolans.

Not put out by Hahn, but rather by someone like you or me speculating. I find it to be an intriguing theory, especially since the Knicks have so much invested in this guy.
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8/20/2008  7:27 PM
I thought about the idea of Gallo and the Knicks stretching the truth on the injury just to give him a graceful out for not playing on the Italian team. Whatever is going on, I just want the guy to have a healthy and successful career here. I'm not gonna go off on a tangent over this as if the Knicks are cursed or somehow inept when it comes to all injuries regarding their players. None of that may be the case in this situation.
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