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EnySpree
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7/30/2008  11:08 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
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Does anyone care about toughness inside?

We don't have to worry about Chandler I guess but if Gallo, and DLee is the front court? Even though that crew could probably run like deers but they will also get dominated inside.

I guess I'm more of a smash mouth guy.....Philly's front line is looking pretty gully right now.

within the division you have:

kg/perk
bosh/o'neal
brand/dalembert

Bosh and O'neal intrests me a whole lot. I wanna see how they mesh. They could be pretty dominant together.

So how do our Knicks compare? Zach is said to be on the move, probably Lee too.....with Zach here they were one of the worst front lines in the league if you look at the record. How do the Knicks get better? How does a front court of Gallo and Chandler compare to these teams?
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7/30/2008  11:22 AM
David Lee might be a great fit at Center in D'Antoni's O cause he can clean the glass and start the break with his outlet passing. He's also a really good trailer. That's also why I wanted to draft Kevin Love...
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7/30/2008  11:26 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

You Know Eddy Curry is Willis Reed if he would ever wake up and grow a pair.

He's been a gelding for a number of years, friend, and, unfortunately, basketball science, as we know it today, does not have the means to grow him a pair.
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7/30/2008  11:31 AM
I've been concerned with both the frontcourt and the back court for several years now
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7/30/2008  11:47 AM
Posted by VDesai:

David Lee might be a great fit at Center in D'Antoni's O cause he can clean the glass and start the break with his outlet passing. He's also a really good trailer. That's also why I wanted to draft Kevin Love...

Well if you don't mind Lee @ center with d'antoni, there's a lot of things associated with that..........it means you wanna pay lee, trade Eddy Curry, and suck defensively as long as lee's at center.

D'antoni has that "defense is not a priority tag", but he still had amare and Marion there to block shots along with other guys getting after it for his team.

I personally don't know what to do cuz a lot of options out there have passed us by, while a few others seem to be long shots as well.

If only curry could rebound! He doesn't have to get 15 boards a game but damn man....what's stopping him from getting 8-9rebs per?
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7/30/2008  12:09 PM
the reason D'Antoni has played small ball isn't that his preference is to play small, but that he has put his best 5 out on the court.

At least, that is what he has stated.

Now, the question will be- how does he define his best 5? As the ones that can play his style - in which case, I can see Lee & Chandler playing up front.

Or, does he go with the five guys with the most talent, in which case, its Curry & Zach.
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7/30/2008  12:33 PM
Posted by franco12:

the reason D'Antoni has played small ball isn't that his preference is to play small, but that he has put his best 5 out on the court.

At least, that is what he has stated.

Now, the question will be- how does he define his best 5? As the ones that can play his style - in which case, I can see Lee & Chandler playing up front.

Or, does he go with the five guys with the most talent, in which case, its Curry & Zach.

I'm hoping he will simply play the best ball players we have.
That statement is closely related to what Donnie does with the team. David Lee even though he can't shoot, is a very smart player. He's a good passer, awesome finisher and can handle the rock enough to manuver where he needs to go. Zach Randolph is essentially the same player, just more skilled offensively with less athletisism and hesitation to pass the rock quick enough more times than not.

I'm anxious to see how this plays out......training camp is a long way from now and there has already been reports that the ball might not roll till October(decision on marb).

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7/30/2008  12:41 PM
I'm pretty excited about Chandler's shotblocking potential. I think Lee will hold up better defensively at C. He's more agressive in challenging shots than Curry. To be honest I'm banking on the fact that the Knicks actually playing a system on defense will improve a lot of players game.
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7/30/2008  1:02 PM
Don't worry we will get Blake Griffin next year
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7/30/2008  1:05 PM
Posted by franco12:

the reason D'Antoni has played small ball isn't that his preference is to play small, but that he has put his best 5 out on the court.

At least, that is what he has stated.

Now, the question will be- how does he define his best 5? As the ones that can play his style - in which case, I can see Lee & Chandler playing up front.

Or, does he go with the five guys with the most talent, in which case, its Curry & Zach.

Unless D'Antoni has a crystal ball, I would expect that our starting 5 will be quite "fluid" this year. My gut feeling is that only Crawford is a sure bet to be one of the 5 for the entire year. I can see some guys being constantly pushed for PT, and eventually pushed out of the 5; some playing themselves out of the 5 because of a lack of effort and heart; and others pulled out of the 5 simply because their game is not suitable for what the Knicks are trying to do. Don't know how the "making them look good for the trade deadline" theory fits into all of this.

If D'Antoni is trying to be diplomatic with some of the vets and higher paid players, you might also look at minutes played instead of whether a player starts or comes off the bench. If Duhon and Richardson average 20 MPG, and Nate and Chandler 28 MPG, we will know who D'Antoni considers to be the real "starters,"

I see this as a survival of the fittest season. I think that barring injuries, Chandler, Nate, and Gallo will show the greatest increase in MPG during the season, with Lee close behind.

By the way, IMHO, Curry does not have more talent than Lee or Chandler. He has more bulk, and nothing more.
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7/30/2008  1:20 PM
Hahn said that he expects Randolph and Curry to start together. I also think Q has a good chance of starting.
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7/30/2008  1:49 PM
I think dAntoni is going to appease the guys he wants to trade in order to get them performing well so that he can raise their value for possible trades. The last thing we need is a Zach or Curry blow-up if we are looking to trade one of them
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7/30/2008  7:18 PM
I think much of the problem with Zach and Curry last year was due to poor coaching and poor PG play. You can't have both and expect two big guys like them to succeed. You need a floor general who can make the call on who gets the ball and not be scared to pass up a guy like Zach. Curry should've remained the go to guy. WHY? Cuz Zach gets his no matter what. Even if you don't call his number, with his rebounding he gets shots up. Also we could've played Zach in a Pick and Pop offense as I called for to start the year and that would've created more room and made more sense.

They can be used better than they were, even tho it still won't be a great situation. We still need to get more out of them for now. As for the future... Who the heck knows what we'll end up doing down the line? I suspect they'll be looking for a guy like we've been trying to get all along. An athletic long shotblocker, who hopefully has a decent shot. That guy isn't out there right now, but maybe we'll see someone come out of the college ranks.
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7/30/2008  8:00 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I think much of the problem with Zach and Curry last year was due to poor coaching and poor PG play. You can't have both and expect two big guys like them to succeed. You need a floor general who can make the call on who gets the ball and not be scared to pass up a guy like Zach. Curry should've remained the go to guy. WHY? Cuz Zach gets his no matter what. Even if you don't call his number, with his rebounding he gets shots up. Also we could've played Zach in a Pick and Pop offense as I called for to start the year and that would've created more room and made more sense.

They can be used better than they were, even tho it still won't be a great situation. We still need to get more out of them for now. As for the future... Who the heck knows what we'll end up doing down the line? I suspect they'll be looking for a guy like we've been trying to get all along. An athletic long shotblocker, who hopefully has a decent shot. That guy isn't out there right now, but maybe we'll see someone come out of the college ranks.
How many games do you really think they would have won if Curry and Zach were used however you wanted them to be? Maybe 28?
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7/30/2008  9:06 PM
I think the coaching was horrendous last year and contributed alot to losses. I think every Knick players' development was damaged by the horrendous coaching and the horrible dysfunction created on the team by the coach and team president.
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7/30/2008  9:56 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I think much of the problem with Zach and Curry last year was due to poor coaching and poor PG play. You can't have both and expect two big guys like them to succeed. You need a floor general who can make the call on who gets the ball and not be scared to pass up a guy like Zach. Curry should've remained the go to guy. WHY? Cuz Zach gets his no matter what. Even if you don't call his number, with his rebounding he gets shots up. Also we could've played Zach in a Pick and Pop offense as I called for to start the year and that would've created more room and made more sense.

They can be used better than they were, even tho it still won't be a great situation. We still need to get more out of them for now. As for the future... Who the heck knows what we'll end up doing down the line? I suspect they'll be looking for a guy like we've been trying to get all along. An athletic long shotblocker, who hopefully has a decent shot. That guy isn't out there right now, but maybe we'll see someone come out of the college ranks.

Each year we are starting with this bul..sht that Eddy and Zach have talent, can be dominant, that Q and Jeffries can play, that Marbs is still the best PG, Craf can stop chaking and sucking, Jerome is funny stuff, etc.
Can we stop this nonsense once and for all.
These players are as bad as you can find anywhere in NBA or any other sports.
Lazy booms, the garbage of the league collected by garbage man Tomas.
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7/30/2008  11:16 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by nixluva:

I think much of the problem with Zach and Curry last year was due to poor coaching and poor PG play. You can't have both and expect two big guys like them to succeed. You need a floor general who can make the call on who gets the ball and not be scared to pass up a guy like Zach. Curry should've remained the go to guy. WHY? Cuz Zach gets his no matter what. Even if you don't call his number, with his rebounding he gets shots up. Also we could've played Zach in a Pick and Pop offense as I called for to start the year and that would've created more room and made more sense.

They can be used better than they were, even tho it still won't be a great situation. We still need to get more out of them for now. As for the future... Who the heck knows what we'll end up doing down the line? I suspect they'll be looking for a guy like we've been trying to get all along. An athletic long shotblocker, who hopefully has a decent shot. That guy isn't out there right now, but maybe we'll see someone come out of the college ranks.

Each year we are starting with this bul..sht that Eddy and Zach have talent, can be dominant, that Q and Jeffries can play, that Marbs is still the best PG, Craf can stop chaking and sucking, Jerome is funny stuff, etc.
Can we stop this nonsense once and for all.
These players are as bad as you can find anywhere in NBA or any other sports.
Lazy booms, the garbage of the league collected by garbage man Tomas.
Faster they will be gone better for the Knicks...
The problem I have is that we haven't really seen some of these players in a solid and proven system under a solid and proven coach. You or anyone else can't really say that this group as a whole is good or bad with any surety since MOST of these players have only known either LB or Isiah on this team.

I feel that to a large degree Isiah's on the court and off the court leadership and direction or lack thereof was a huge detriment to these players. i thought he had a good concept at the start, but then he tried to save his own neck over the needs of the team and basically stopped coaching last year. He was indecisive and when he did make a move it was the wrong one.

I want to see some of these players in this system. I want to see how much of a difference Mike will make for this team. I also agree that we need to try to raise the value of some of these players if we have any hope of moving some of them.

Im am concerned with future frontcourt

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