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7/28/2008  10:12 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Old trade rumor. Well I guess Mike D' also don't care about shotblocking.


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7/28/2008  10:32 AM
JR Smith on the Nuggets is having difficulty with them in contract talks. See other thread. Why dont we make a deal for him instead of this wasted deal? Denver wants to cut salary - they gave away Camby. They aleady have Iverson and Melo, etc. If they want low salary players we can send then Balkman, Roberson, Mardy. Maybe they will want more talent? or maybe they want to dump salary of JR Smith.

We would have to sign him to a longer term deal. Last 2 years he has shot 40% from 3 point. He may fit into D'A's system. I know we want to get under the cap but either we trade the big salaries or why waste time with this little stuff.?
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7/28/2008  10:45 AM
So Balk will be the second young talented player (D Nichols last yr) who is not making much money who will be essetially moved for roster space while Jerome James (let alone, Marb and Malik) remains on this team. This is a joke. If we're moving Balk, we have to get some kind of value back.

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7/28/2008  10:46 AM
to do a JR Smith deal, Craw would have to be included....this is bad b/c it would be a S&T with JR Smith likely signing a multi year deal (past 2010)....whereas there's a good chance Craw opts out before 2010

Pls JR is a jerk.

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7/28/2008  10:49 AM
Even if you don't like Balkman what's the value in dumping him for nothing. The money savings isn't substantial at all.

Balkman+Rose for a sign and traded JR would be something I'd consider, but otherwise this wouldn't make any sense to me.
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7/28/2008  10:51 AM
If the Knicks really wanted t create a roster spot at the expense of Balk, why no just cut him instead of taking back two players your going to cut anyway. Something about this trade is bogus to me.
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7/28/2008  10:57 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Even if you don't like Balkman what's the value in dumping him for nothing. The money savings isn't substantial at all.

Balkman+Rose for a sign and traded JR would be something I'd consider, but otherwise this wouldn't make any sense to me.
I'd do that in a heartbeat.....but I don't think Denver would. They would want more talent.

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7/28/2008  11:12 AM
Posted by Markji:
Posted by VDesai:

Even if you don't like Balkman what's the value in dumping him for nothing. The money savings isn't substantial at all.

Balkman+Rose for a sign and traded JR would be something I'd consider, but otherwise this wouldn't make any sense to me.
I'd do that in a heartbeat.....but I don't think Denver would. They would want more talent.

I dunno if Denver just wants to salary dump or what. I'm going off what they did with Camby
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7/28/2008  11:29 AM
I think it is good. Maybe they will want Balk and Roberson for JR. Two lower salaried guys and they get a back-up shooting guard.
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7/28/2008  11:29 AM
I've never been a fan of Balkman, I mean yeah I love his hustle, but he can't shoot for his life (something a MikeD player needs to do) and he really isn't even decent at any one aspect. Although, I do agree a trade like this would be a bit of a waste of value, but according to the following statement
They are known to be looking to move Randolph's contract, and are involved in other trade discussions with several teams.

It sounds as though there might be something on the horizon with Zach that includes multiple spots and maybe we need the roster spot?


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7/28/2008  11:32 AM
I love walsh is doing he is changing the culture. Get guys that are high character guys, and if you are the 9-14 guys be hard workers in practice or find someone else who is. Balkman and Mardy dont belong in the league and neither does Big Snacks. Start with those three guys and then start going after the big fish i.e Steph and Zach. We are going to have to be patient, the fans want Walsh to make a great tasting cake and the only ingrediants he has is one cup of ****, two donkey balls, and some cat urine. Let him acquire some ingrediants over the next few years.
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7/28/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by Markji:
Posted by VDesai:

Even if you don't like Balkman what's the value in dumping him for nothing. The money savings isn't substantial at all.

Balkman+Rose for a sign and traded JR would be something I'd consider, but otherwise this wouldn't make any sense to me.
I'd do that in a heartbeat.....but I don't think Denver would. They would want more talent.

I dunno if Denver just wants to salary dump or what. I'm going off what they did with Camby

The Camby deal was baffling. Even Carmelo said he was basically annoyed and confused by the trade.

Malik and Balkman for Jr, taureen and bobby jones would be nice......sweet actually.

We have been giving no indication that Donnie has the insight to pull off a deal like this.

I would waive mardy, and marbs.......duhon, craw with Nate and JR rotating would be awesome. Even a craw and jr backcourt would be freakin awesome.
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7/28/2008  11:44 AM
Posted by King1:

I love walsh is doing he is changing the culture. Get guys that are high character guys, and if you are the 9-14 guys be hard workers in practice or find someone else who is. Balkman and Mardy dont belong in the league and neither does Big Snacks. Start with those three guys and then start going after the big fish i.e Steph and Zach. We are going to have to be patient, the fans want Walsh to make a great tasting cake and the only ingrediants he has is one cup of ****, two donkey balls, and some cat urine. Let him acquire some ingrediants over the next few years.

Haha, good ingredients King.

I agree with you though, I know alot of people are already getting on Walsh, but I have no problem with this deal or what he's done so far and I am looking forward to what else he will do. All these "little steps" will begin to add up.
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7/28/2008  11:44 AM
If D'Antoni/Walsh don't see Balkman as part of the rotation, he should go.

I liked him a lot when he first game in, because he added some fire and hustle to the team, but it is obvious that he has not tried to improve his game at all over the past 2 years. As soon as I saw him passing up open mid-range jumpers and clanking foul shots in SL, I thought it was time for him to go. It also looks like he has not gained an ounce of muscle since he came to the Knicks.

Lot of players should have been chosen over him in retrospect- some starters and some important bench players.

By the way, if I remember correctly, didn't the Knicks say after the draft that one of the reasons they took Balkman at #20, instead of picking him up later, is that Phoenix was going to take him at #21. Pretty sure I'm right on this. Hard to believe that D'Antoni would have wanted him then, just as he does not want him now. As it turns out, Phoenix took Rondo.

By the way, this is an example of when you can look at a draft pick and see if you made a mistake, not after 5 SL games, like guys are doing in other threads. We have had time to see Balkman play and not progress. We can see some of the guys he was drafted before: Rondo, Marcus Williams, Boone, Farmar, Craig Smith, Powe, etc., and see what they have done. At the time, Balkman at 20 was questioned. Well now we can see the mistake the Knicks made.

This trade clears a slot, and brings over 2 non-guaranteed contracts. If either guy can stick, you make the appropriate changes, it not- you don't get hurt at all. The fact that this trade is being considered tells us what MD things of Balkman as a player.
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7/28/2008  11:45 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I've never been a fan of Balkman, I mean yeah I love his hustle, but he can't shoot for his life (something a MikeD player needs to do) and he really isn't even decent at any one aspect. Although, I do agree a trade like this would be a bit of a waste of value, but according to the following statement
They are known to be looking to move Randolph's contract, and are involved in other trade discussions with several teams.

It sounds as though there might be something on the horizon with Zach that includes multiple spots and maybe we need the roster spot?
Well if there is some other big deal tied to this - then I'll wait and hold on my opinion.

But I think we should go after JR Smith from Denver and not Green and Bobby Jones. Smith is an upgrade, these other 2 guys are cast-offs. Then JR Smith could be used as a piece to get someone else - Like Josh Smith? or Okefor. Let's get Walsh into some trade action.

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7/28/2008  11:48 AM
JR Smith can be used as a piece? LOL. The guy can't even get a contract from another team. Like I said before, he's just a chucker. There's no redeeming qualities about him. He's just another low IQ, poor attitude and equally terrible defending chucker who we don't need here. He is Jamal Crawford without the cross over.

As for Balkman, I'd rather throw him into a deal as a filler or get a 2nd rounder for him rather than just release him.

I think the sadder thing is that this is what Walsh is working on right now. The team is so terrible that this is probably the only move he can make.
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7/28/2008  11:52 AM
I agree about Smith in terms of low IQ, low character....the exact thing we want to avoid.
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7/28/2008  11:57 AM
He's also a considerably less accomplished (or inclined) passer. Craw avg'd 5 assists last year.
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7/28/2008  12:01 PM
his iq and character are so low that be was invited to play on the USA select team...

post all star break: 22 mins, 15.7 pts on 49 fg% and 40 3fg%, with 2.3 rebs and 2 assists, and a steal.

49 fg% and 40 3fg% are straight chucker #'s...

i guess the book is written in stone for this 22 year old...



[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-28-2008 12:02 PM]
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Posted by GKFv2:

JR Smith can be used as a piece? LOL. The guy can't even get a contract from another team. Like I said before, he's just a chucker. There's no redeeming qualities about him. He's just another low IQ, poor attitude and equally terrible defending chucker who we don't need here. He is Jamal Crawford without the cross over.

As for Balkman, I'd rather throw him into a deal as a filler or get a 2nd rounder for him rather than just release him.

I think the sadder thing is that this is what Walsh is working on right now. The team is so terrible that this is probably the only move he can make.
I agree with you on JR's attitude. I would get him to use for a trade. He is far better than Balk, or Rose or Mardy or Roberson.....players we could offer.

JR comments aren't welcomed by his team and can cause trouble but his shooting ability is. From 3 Point he shot 40.3% last year on 5.3 attemps/game. The year before he shot 39% on 6.1 attempts/game. He is a proven 3 point shooter.

Question: How many Knicks in the last 3 years have shot 40% or more from 3 Point??
Answer: None

Under D'A system we do need 3 point shooters. Nate came close 2 years ago with 39% which is why I think Nate will fit in nicely with D'A system. I also like Crawford and his attitude and his energy in this system so I would use JR for trading.

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