Posted by TheGame:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by GKFv2:

How about bye bye to both?

Actually I think your right. Isn't it 17 on the roster right now? That means a few buyouts. jerome or stephanie. It would be a lot cheaper to buy out jerome along with Malik. that's about 12 mil loss vs. stepahnies 21 million, making the roster 15 exactly.

It is 16 because Fred Jones and Randolph are no longer on the team. There are only three candidates, Mardy, Marbury, and JJ1. JJ1 is the least useful but since we have no other seven footers on the team, he might stick.

Auh, well that makes it even easier. Just get rid of jerome. eat only six mil, save yourself 15 million and call it a day. That would be the best fiscal move yet.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by TMS:

just buy out Marbs & Turd

The only problem with that is 'if he starts doing what isiah did (costing dolan millions) and if some of his moves don't work out, it could very well come back to haunt him later, like it did isiah'.

So Donnie would be smart to make the lesser evil at this point, because getting rid of suckbury isn't going to get us much, that we aren't going to get after next season anyway. Right?

getting rid of Marbury is absolutely necessary if u ask me... it's clear the guys on this team have a distaste for his negative energy whenever i hear them answering questions about what's changed between this year & last... i think he needs to be outta here so this team can move forward w/o his unnecessary distractions & negative influence on the other players... Turd is completely useless & he's not going to accept a forced retirement, so just buy him out & jettison his fat useless behind already... he doesn't effect our 2010 cap situation regardless so we're better off using his roster spot for someone who can actually contribute for a few minutes at least.

why release Malik? & who is going to trade us anything of value for Mardy? mine as well keep them on the roster unless u plan on replacing them w/a LLE free agent signing... neither 1 of those guys is a negative presence on this roster & can at least give u a few minutes off the bench if u need them.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-24-2008 6:48 PM]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by TMS:

just buy out Marbs & Turd

The only problem with that is 'if he starts doing what isiah did (costing dolan millions) and if some of his moves don't work out, it could very well come back to haunt him later, like it did isiah'.

So Donnie would be smart to make the lesser evil at this point, because getting rid of suckbury isn't going to get us much, that we aren't going to get after next season anyway. Right?

getting rid of Marbury is absolutely necessary if u ask me... it's clear the guys on this team have a distaste for his negative energy whenever i hear them answering questions about what's changed between this year & last... i think he needs to be outta here so this team can move forward w/o his unnecessary distractions & negative influence on the other players... Turd is completely useless & he's not going to accept a forced retirement, so just buy him out & jettison his fat useless behind already... he doesn't effect our 2010 cap situation regardless so we're better off using his roster spot for someone who can actually contribute for a few minutes at least.

It's an extemely difficult thing to do though. Based on what I saw with isiah, making all that money and he's still here, despite what he's done and then these two contract moves they just made with Duhon and Roberson tells me that dolan doens't want to waste anymore money.

Think about it. Look at the history of his losses of Houston, Larry Johnson, Luc Longley (and a few others I can't think of right now) and add that onto isiah's contract, Larry Browns buyout settlement and the Anucha suite and your talking about an enormous amount of money. I don't care what kind of millinaire of billinair you are. You have to start saying no more. We can't continue to just buy out these huge contracts, just because they don't work out as players. At what point is a contract a contract? I know the guy sucks like nobody has ever before, but you have to eat it and just wait.

The best thing to do right now and I think this is why they made the signing of two guards is D'Antoni will have more options at the SG and PG. I know, I know if you wanna call it that. But by having more options at both guard positions, it puts suckbury on the bench more.

With that said, lets keep him for at least half a year and then either buy out the rest of his miserable contract or try and trade him for a draft or something like that.

It's about the money right now. dolan doesn't want just let it go anymore. We'll wait and it will be over soon.

Another move I want to acknowledge is I still say move zach to center and curry as his backup. Give Lee the starting PF position, so we can get more rebounds and whatever else he can contribut. With Gallinari in question right now, Chandler can develop in the SF spot. I have a feeling that Chandler is going to be something special. Those are our best options that I can see right now.

jerome is the best road to go right now. He is the second most useless player on the Knicks, behind suckbury. Buyout the cheapest one and deal with the other later on.

Posted by 4949:

Okay TMS I am rethinking this right now. Is it better to pay 21 million to give the team a real refreshing start, possibly making it worth getting the players enthusiasm up or saving 15 million, putting up with suckbury for a little while longer?

If it happens, then it should strictly be a dolan call and not a Donnie call. But if they get rid of someone else first, then most likely it's not gonna happen.

It's not exactly like they'd be saving money. They'd simply pay it throughout the season as opposed to upfront. Buy out Marbury for $15 M, let him sign for the MLE somewhere, and move on. The MLE dollars would be shaved off the cap and that's luxury dollars Dolan isn't paying. Seems like a win win.

He bought him out for 21 million?

I was just observing what they haven't been doing and doing lately regarding the money. Personally I hope your right and they do get rid of him one way or the other. But suckbury's like a cat. He has nine lives. He out lived both Larry Brown and isiah thomas. And they came with a lot more credentials and made more than he did.

I think suckbury can be described as 'CURSED'!

Posted by TMS:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by TMS:

why release Malik? & who is going to trade us anything of value for Mardy? mine as well keep them on the roster unless u plan on replacing them w/a LLE free agent signing... neither 1 of those guys is a negative presence on this roster & can at least give u a few minutes off the bench if u need them.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-24-2008 6:48 PM]

I think you release Malik to do him a favor so he can go sign with the Spurs or another contender.

We're better served by adding a player like the one briggs posted about this morning- the 6'6" guard lighting it up for G State's summer league team.

why do Malik a favor? he's been paid very well to be a minor role player for a few years now... just keep him on the roster unless u wanna replace him w/a shotblocker upfront... u never know what teams will want to dump a contract at the trade deadline & at the very least his contract does have value in that aspect... Marbury's expiring is just too huge so there aren't many viable trade options out there for us either way, better off just dumping him... if u wanna go after another G then the move to make is to release Mardy, but only if u think the kid ur bringing in is a clear upgrade... otherwise what's the point? we have way too many G's as it is.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-24-2008 6:57 PM]

you do Malik a favor because you create good will, as opposed to all the bad will Isiah generated with his fighting with LB, Pops & George Karl.

You do a favor because its a small league, and you saw what the lakers were able to do when they stole Pau Gasol.

Expiring for what? We're in no position to be adding any salary. We haven't even traded any of the crap we have now. I would release/hold on to every expiring contract until they run out and let the money roll off the cap.

And if it was up to me, I would waive all 4 guys I mentioned before.

Knicks now have 5 point guards........

So if we are gonna sign guys like Duhon and cheap shooters like Roberson......why not just flat out waive Marbs, Malik, Jerome, and Mardy.......sign 3 more bottom feeders or pick up a few fillers in a Zach trade to fill out the team.

What's the hold up?

Berman licking Steph's nuts yet again.

Stephon Marbury's status never has been more uncertain. He falls into the Jeremy Shockey Jeremy Shockey category - a player who can produce but whose diva act has grown tired with the organization. The difference is the Giants New York Giants won the Super Bowl without Shockey. The Knicks crashed and burned last season with Marbury sidelined for all but 24 games.