Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by efw:

Posted by djsunyc:


i think what briggs is saying is that the drafting of gallo, based on history, may have set us down a certain path, especially with d'antoni as the coach. and the chances of it working out bigtime aren't that high. I see why the knicks picked him, but imho, they should've taken a more high risk high reward pick or traded the pick altogether. again, they are putting ALOT of faith on d'antoni and 2010 cap space (which may or may not happen).

I'd rather put faith in a coach, his system, and cap space rather than a draftee. You never know how a player will turn out. With the other options, you hedge your bets.

we are just discussing things here. we all know the knicks will be better. there's no questions about that. but since there's downtime right now before the season starts, we can fill in the time talking about the direction of the team.

i agree with you about putting faith in a coach/system. but for the sake of discussion, putting faith in d'antoni, imho, puts the team down a path where they can be successful, but ultimately, not championship successful. and that's ok but if the team is at the point of ground zero, and they want to build towards a title, i would've went with another coach. but again, i don't think winning the title is the "main objective" for this organization. it's to bring back excitement, make money, sell tickets and get back to the playoffs. which will all be achieved under d'alsh.

looking around the league, the suns style seems to be fazing out a little bit. the guy that brought it back initially was bryan colangelo. and it looked like he would initially continue that trend in toronto. but what's interesting is that he didn't hire a new coach - he kept defensive minded sam mitchell. he didn't change the roster where bosh would be the center, but he went out and got a 1/2 court defensive minded center in o'neal. it looks like colangelo changed his approach (after 2.5 season there) looking at the landscape of the league and that the tried and true practice of defense and big men that play defense is the way to go. even kerr changed it up and got shaq. dallas changed it up and got rid of nellie and brought in more defensive oriented players. (speaking of dallas, it looks like a team built w/ dirk as the franchise guy doesn't look to be so strong anymore). so it looks like those guys that wanted to go up and down are returning back to the defensive minded, halfcourt oriented team to if they want to get to the elite level.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-20-2008 12:34 PM]

We shouldn't even be thinking about a ring for at least 4-5 years (barring some perfect storm ala Boston). Bringing D'Antoni in for 2-3 years is a way to make the Knicks look interesting while building up pieces for the future. If you manage the Knicks, you can't just make it obvious to the corporate ticket holders that we're selling everybody at a discount rate, stocking up on draftpicks, and winnin 18 games for the next 2 years. Yes, we will be mediocre for the next two years. BUT, with D'Antoni, we'll have at least something exiting to watch.

The push offense you described gained traction recently because of D'Antoni. It's not like we hired some weak imitation of that style. We hired THE coach to make it happen.D'Antoni's system may or may not be effective enough for a championship. Why should we worry about that? He's most likely not going to be here when that time comes for us.

So, as long as all of Walsh's move are done in the interests of our future (and nothing yet has convinced me otherwise) then we're all good.

As far as Gallinari, I'd much more interested in seeing his game develop (to whatever conculsion) than Bayless's, whose game resembles so many players out there. It's more exciting to see the next style to develop in the game than to see someone do well in an already existing style (which we don't even know is the case or not). A 19 year old european kid may just have assimilated enough variety in styles to bring something new to the table. That, to me, is a more risky move than drafting another scoring combo guard.

Posted by playa2:

DJ if teams want to entertain they go with D'ANTONI style of play and lose.

If they want to win a title, everybody and their grandma knows defense wins championships.

Except there's nothing defensive about this group. So might as while have fun while rebuilding.

It's not like they hired the Marx Brothers to just coach the team because they are "exciting". D'Antoni has an entertaining style who is ALSO a good coach.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by nyk4ever:

It's not like they hired the Marx Brothers to just coach the team because they are "exciting". D'Antoni has an entertaining style who is ALSO a good coach.

the hiring of d'antoni is a no brainer. but imho, i still think he has alot to prove as a coach. riley solidified his status as a premier coach by what he did in ny and miami, not what he did in la la.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-20-2008 1:09 PM]

We'll see DJ. The biggest plus that D'Antoni has on his side is players love playing for him. That goes a long way and I think it will make a difference here, maybe not this year, but I do think it's going to show soon.

The Knicks have many, many different kinds of problems.

Posted by Vmart:

Forget Bayless and all the others they aren't Knicks. The Knicks have had a scoring PG in Marbury and it proved only one thing the Knicks aren't going to win with a scoring pg. This team needs a play maker for other players that is what has been lacking for the Knicks for sometime. Bayless looks promising but watch him whenhe has to defer shots to Oden, Aldridge and Roy. How is he going to fit into that system. Summer league is not an indicator of how a player will play once he is with the full team.

Look, Bayless is a dynamite scorer and he'll always be a standout scorer. The other parts of his game will come. Getting the ball to Oden, Roy, Aldridge, Outlaw, etc... in the right spots at the right time is the easy part. And he'll have to do that if he wants to play. I mean why does he have to turn into Stephon Marbury??? Just because he's a scorer? Tony Parker and Chris Paul are scorers and teams would kill to have either one of those guys. Both team players, both winners. Who says he's the next Marbury as we know Marbury now? Marbury has turned himself into a bad egg and has killed himself with his wacky behavior and immaturity. Plus, Marbury's skills have eroded. Bayless would've made for one hell of a replacement.

If Bayless doesn't come in and play team ball Sergio Rodriguez will be more than happy to grab those minutes and come in and distribute the ball. It's that simple and I bet Jerryd knows that already. Passing the ball to capable, established players who know what to do with it is the easy part and once he gets a couple of practices under his bet and actually sees for himself what he's got to work with over there, he'll be OK. Passing the ball to those guys will be fun for him. So will winning. Setting up others and distributing, with his physical skills - he'll be able to do that in his sleep. It's all about who you have to work with. I mean look at who he had on the Wildcats with him in his only season there. He had a halfway decent shooter in Chase Budinger and then what? No Oden. No Aldridge. No Roy. Nothing even remotely close to that type of talent around him in college. He had to be a scorer. They wanted him to score. This kid will adapt - he's basically got no choice. It's up to Nate McMillian to make sure he understands. BTW, I'd be worried if he couldn't score or shoot a lick. Talking to you guys around here, most of you think Mardy Collins should be run outta the league because he's not a great shooter/scorer - well, Bayless is the exact opposite of Mardy Collins - by that logic, I'm surprised a lot more of you guys don't like him more. He'll be fine. For the record, the Knicks should've taken this kid over Gallinari. Much more of a sure thing. And Briggs has got something there - Gallinari takes a little pop by Tractor Traylor and he's out for the whole summer league???? Gallo said afterward, "my back has never felt this bad before." Alarming.

Granted we don't have nearly the amount of ready-to-go talent that Portland has in place, but Bayless still would've been the best pick for us - he just would've come in here and showcased his awesome scoring ability moreso than in Portland which, until we got a chance to add more capable talent, would've be fine by me for now. We could've molded him into a scoring lead guard, dare I say an all-star, for the next 12+ seasons a-la Tony Parker.... As it stands now, we've got to pray that Gallo adapts to the NBA, turns into something and doesn't have a negative affect on Wilson Chandler's development, a similar player. A lot of gray area there. Meanwhile if we took Bayless, he's a known, proven quantity in the talent pool we were drafting from. No praying would've been involved at all....


[Edited by - finestrg on 07-20-2008 3:44 PM]

I find this ridiculous how everyone is on the Bayless band wagon when at first a lot of you didn't want anything to with an alligator arm pg. He isn't a pg by the way he is a small off guard going at it against no name players in the summer league. By the way he has no one on his team he jacking up shot like he has something to prove. What did he score 36 point in their win over Suns. How many assists did he rack up, ONE. He isn't a pg he is a shooting guard going up against a bunch of scrubs. Lets see him get that against NBA competition and watch the ball get smacked back in his face. Oh by the way don't the Blazers have a Brandon Roy as their SG good luck getting time over him because the hardest thing in basketball isn't shooting its getting everyone involved.

You guys are all over the place with this summer league stuff.

Bayless can play regardless how you wanna view the competition.

Another thing......nobody talked too much about Bayless cuz he was logically the seattle pick. No one thought he was gonna fall. In my opinion.....the Knicks shoulda drafted Bayless.

I say that but I'm not saying Gallo is trash, cuz he isn't. He's gonna be good too, but Chandler and Lee are already here. Gallo adds to the problem. Lee is a free agent next season and Zach is making francise money for 3 more seasons. It just has too many question marks.

Bayless on the other hand is simply a lock to start @ point guard, no if ands or buts next season. Isn't that what we want?

I'm not going to lie, I wanted Bayless, if we werent going to trade up for Mayo, hands down.

I hope this all works out for us, but pardon the pun, I thought Bayless was a slam dunk choice.\

Gallo is going to be a real project.

Posted by EnySpree:

You guys are all over the place with this summer league stuff.

Bayless can play regardless how you wanna view the competition.

Another thing......nobody talked too much about Bayless cuz he was logically the seattle pick. No one thought he was gonna fall. In my opinion.....the Knicks shoulda drafted Bayless.

I say that but I'm not saying Gallo is trash, cuz he isn't. He's gonna be good too, but Chandler and Lee are already here. Gallo adds to the problem. Lee is a free agent next season and Zach is making francise money for 3 more seasons. It just has too many question marks.

Bayless on the other hand is simply a lock to start @ point guard, no if ands or buts next season. Isn't that what we want?

no one said he wouldn't be good... the thing i'm questioning is how anyone can say w/any sense of confidence that a guy is the best player in the draft based on SL play... Nate Robinson looked like a beast last year in SL... let's wait til these cats show something at the NBA level is what i'm saying.

Man how stacked is Portland. That team has future All-stars at almost every position. How they got Bayless is beyond believable. That dude should have been the 6th pick at worst and he ends up going to a team that started the draft picking in the mid-teens. Bayless, Roy, Oden, Aldridge, and Outlaw is as stacked as it gets. And, Portland still has another year or so before they have to start paying their young players. Only injuries can stop that team from getting to the championship game within the next 3 years.