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BasketballJones
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7/19/2008  5:57 PM
I don't believe Gallinari rides a white horse. He may turn out to be a decent player, and maybe he'll even play for the Knicks, but I'm not assuming he's going to make an immediate impact.
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7/19/2008  6:28 PM
Posted by 4949:
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Playa - politics as usual, lol. Your point is still a good one. Right away this guy was tagged to be the Knicks pick. Stern has a hard on for one to pop up in ny and Gallo has kind of a "golden boy"/"italy's chosen one" thing going on.

Is it necessary to tag him with that? it's just coming off as bias dude.

alright, I apologize if I come off too strong, but what about Gallinari's strong points?

[Edited by - 4949 on 07-19-2008 3:50 PM]

How is it coming off as bias? Its the truth. Stern has said it would be nice in the Knicks took a look at the overseas talent.......and with all the write ups on Gallo, he's being talked up like a phenom. No bias. Or racism or whatever you are implying. I dunno what's up with you bro but you seem to like to invent **** or read into things that aren't there. Or just find the most irrelevent part of a post and make it seem like that is the main topic of discussion. Extreamly annoying.
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7/19/2008  6:57 PM
I'm still wondering why it's assumed that Gallo has been hyped up as is being inferred. He hasn't been talked up like hes a phenom. There was a lot of doubt and curiosity about Gallo and a few writers have now come around after seeing him live and in person in Vegas. They seem to all like him as a prospect and that fits well with what scouts have said about him.

I do believe that on this forum there are a few with a bias against him which has been so far off base. We'll have to see how things go during the season and seasons to come, but he's so far shown himself to be no less of a legit prospect as any of the guys in the draft some consider so much better at the 6th pick range.
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7/19/2008  7:07 PM
Unless you are the # 6 pick overrall. You are expected to pay immediate dividends. If you are a late first round and 2nd year then you are given time to develop.

really? Here are the lottery picks for the past 15-20 years. I think you'll find the #6 slot to be very hit or miss. If you are realistic, what you are really looking for at #6 is a guy who will mature into a good player, not a big-time star who sets the league on fire from day 1.

http://www.nba.com/history/lottery_picks.html

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7/19/2008  7:21 PM
oohah, this is the mecca and this team hasn't represented NY in man years now.

Most knicks fans was looking for some type of home run hitter with the change over in management, instead they fed us a european teenager who claims he loves pressure.

Coming from europe is an adjustment enough,and at 19 well he has a tough road to climb IMHO.

I can see many gall backers making many excuses for yrs to come.

The guy played one summer league game and people see stardom written all over him.

I hope he's all that and a bag a chips, but name the last euro who came over to the NBA AT HIS AGE AND PUT FEAR INTO THE ASSOCIATION ?
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7/19/2008  7:35 PM
name the last euro who came over to the NBA AT HIS AGE AND PUT FEAR INTO THE ASSOCIATION ?

Setting the word on fire? Gasol?

developing into a nice player pretty quickly? Biedrins is 22, and has been pretty good since he was 20. Krstic has been pretty good since he was a rookie, and so was Kirilenko. For that matter Tony Parker was pretty good from the jump.

I think if you look at first round draft history, you'll find the Europeans succeed at about the same rate as the american: http://www.nba.com/history/draft_round1_2000s.html

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7/19/2008  7:52 PM
Not hating on Gallo but the Knicks should have drafted Augustine.


If Chandler and Gallo are our forwards of the future thats fine with me. D.Lee is nothing but a bench player, in ANY team, anyway.
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7/19/2008  7:56 PM
Posted by playa2:

oohah, this is the mecca and this team hasn't represented NY in man years now.

Most knicks fans was looking for some type of home run hitter with the change over in management, instead they fed us a european teenager who claims he loves pressure.
What do you mean by home run hitter?

What player available at #6 is the home run hitter you believe we should've taken?

Are you suggesting that there was some kind of sure thing player we didn't take?

I would expect that you'd like the kind of upside that Gallo has, along with already being a very skilled and smart player.
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7/19/2008  8:31 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by playa2:

oohah, this is the mecca and this team hasn't represented NY in man years now.

Most knicks fans was looking for some type of home run hitter with the change over in management, instead they fed us a european teenager who claims he loves pressure.
What do you mean by home run hitter?

What player available at #6 is the home run hitter you believe we should've taken?

Are you suggesting that there was some kind of sure thing player we didn't take?

I would expect that you'd like the kind of upside that Gallo has, along with already being a very skilled and smart player.

Nixluva, this is a great point that is based on subjective opinion. Some people may value Gallinari's upside better than say Randolph, Gordon, Bayless, Speights or Alexander. Walsh and his scouts went with Gallinari. Myself or others may differ in opinion in how much upside Gallinari has compared to these others and how it will translate to the NBA. I was more or less not impress with the Gallinari pick but said I could see it working but then Walsh comes with the plan to make him a PF on draft night, then I see trouble signs. Is he a hybrid forward that will get bigger and stronger and how will that impact his mobility and ball handling ability? Will his limited athletic skills suffer because of increase in size? I will say this that I believe Gallinari will do what his training and coaching staff insist on him doing so the pressure is on them for his amount of success.
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7/19/2008  8:46 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by playa2:

oohah, this is the mecca and this team hasn't represented NY in man years now.

Most knicks fans was looking for some type of home run hitter with the change over in management, instead they fed us a european teenager who claims he loves pressure.
What do you mean by home run hitter?

What player available at #6 is the home run hitter you believe we should've taken?

Are you suggesting that there was some kind of sure thing player we didn't take?

I would expect that you'd like the kind of upside that Gallo has, along with already being a very skilled and smart player.

Anthony Randolph we could have easily had at #6. He's long, can handle the ball, can rebound, block shots, run the floor, and he has the potential to put on a lot of weight onto his broad shoulders.

Our gm AND 8 OTHERS really didnt do their homework. He is too athletic and handles the rock to well to be picked that late in the draft.

He actually reminds me of lamar odom except with more of a scorer's mind set, he will be a better pro than what he displayed in college because the flow of the game fits him to a T.



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7/19/2008  9:03 PM
All of this doesn't really matter anyway. No one's significant on this team. We have a long ways to go before we come knocking on the door.

It's just refreshing to know a few monster contract are leaving after this year and that we can look forward to our young troops. I can't wait to see what we have.
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7/20/2008  1:02 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by playa2:

oohah, this is the mecca and this team hasn't represented NY in man years now.

Most knicks fans was looking for some type of home run hitter with the change over in management, instead they fed us a european teenager who claims he loves pressure.
What do you mean by home run hitter?

What player available at #6 is the home run hitter you believe we should've taken?

Are you suggesting that there was some kind of sure thing player we didn't take?

I would expect that you'd like the kind of upside that Gallo has, along with already being a very skilled and smart player.

Anthony Randolph we could have easily had at #6. He's long, can handle the ball, can rebound, block shots, run the floor, and he has the potential to put on a lot of weight onto his broad shoulders.

Our gm AND 8 OTHERS really didnt do their homework. He is too athletic and handles the rock to well to be picked that late in the draft.

He actually reminds me of lamar odom except with more of a scorer's mind set, he will be a better pro than what he displayed in college because the flow of the game fits him to a T.

Nixluva I want you to address my answer to your question

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7/20/2008  3:05 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by playa2:

oohah, this is the mecca and this team hasn't represented NY in man years now.

Most knicks fans was looking for some type of home run hitter with the change over in management, instead they fed us a european teenager who claims he loves pressure.
What do you mean by home run hitter?

What player available at #6 is the home run hitter you believe we should've taken?

Are you suggesting that there was some kind of sure thing player we didn't take?

I would expect that you'd like the kind of upside that Gallo has, along with already being a very skilled and smart player.

Anthony Randolph we could have easily had at #6. He's long, can handle the ball, can rebound, block shots, run the floor, and he has the potential to put on a lot of weight onto his broad shoulders.

Our gm AND 8 OTHERS really didnt do their homework. He is too athletic and handles the rock to well to be picked that late in the draft.

He actually reminds me of lamar odom except with more of a scorer's mind set, he will be a better pro than what he displayed in college because the flow of the game fits him to a T.

Nixluva I want you to address my answer to your question

that's the funniest line ever. I have been posting that after your comments in other threads and am still awaiting answers.
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playa2
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7/20/2008  4:18 PM
Martin, now you are trying to kill my post to nixluva huh?
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7/20/2008  4:38 PM
Posted by playa2:

Martin, now you are trying to kill my post to nixluva huh?

no, different point entirely.
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BasketballJones
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7/20/2008  4:51 PM
I think playa's posts in this thread should be moved to the OT area.
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7/20/2008  7:49 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think playa's posts in this thread should be moved to the OT area.

just as long as u promise we can keep all of dj's Toronto Raptor posts in the Knicks forum.
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BasketballJones
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7/20/2008  10:32 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think playa's posts in this thread should be moved to the OT area.

just as long as u promise we can keep all of dj's Toronto Raptor posts in the Knicks forum.

No prob. Just so long as he uses the word "official" in the title.
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