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Andrew
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7/16/2008  9:30 AM
I agree with you on the Curry and Randolpgh situation. I'm ok with finding out which one (if either) fits in better. I don't see the harm in the team struggling a bit next season.
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7/16/2008  9:33 AM
Posted by Andrew:

I agree with you on the Curry and Randolpgh situation. I'm ok with finding out which one (if either) fits in better. I don't see the harm in the team struggling a bit next season.

I hope we lose 60+ games next year (Sorry Mike D).

But, having both Curry & Zach prevent us from developing Lee & Chandler & Gallo.

I suspect D'Antoni would rather have Lee & Chandler at the 5 & 4 spots than Curry & Zach.
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7/16/2008  9:37 AM
Keep in mind, Camby was moved by directive from Dolan to bring in "character guys". 2 GMs later, now that Walsh's directive is to again bring in character guys, I doubt Camby would pass Dolan's muster.
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7/16/2008  9:42 AM
Eddy was terrible last year Zach or no Zach. He was horribly out of shape, he couldnt stay healthy and showed (once again) zero ability or effort to rebound and play defense. Eddy is a good guy but he simply doesnt care about being a good player and cares even less about winning.

Zach on the other hand is a douche, but the guy plays hard. You dont get 10 boards a night loafing. He's already got the monster paycheck, he doesnt care about stats.

Zach is 2 years older than Eddy. Its probable that neither of these guys are going to be riding on parade floats anytime soon, but if we want to be a better team and win games the guy to dump is Eddy.
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7/16/2008  9:43 AM
Posted by franco12:

I suspect D'Antoni would rather have Lee & Chandler at the 5 & 4 spots than Curry & Zach.

I'm actually hoping to see Lee, Gallinari, and Chandler at the 5, 4, and 3 at some point this season.
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7/16/2008  9:48 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Andrew:

I agree with you on the Curry and Randolpgh situation. I'm ok with finding out which one (if either) fits in better. I don't see the harm in the team struggling a bit next season.

I hope we lose 60+ games next year (Sorry Mike D).

But, having both Curry & Zach prevent us from developing Lee & Chandler & Gallo.

I suspect D'Antoni would rather have Lee & Chandler at the 5 & 4 spots than Curry & Zach.
I think right now our best line up looks like this:
pg Duhon
sg Crawford
sf Chandler
pf Lee
c Zach
bench: Nate, JJ Skinny, Rooster, Q

We will finally establish a style of play

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7/16/2008  9:50 AM
Posted by McK1:

wouldn't getting rid or crawford and curry accomplish the same thing as getting rid of zach?

they should trade curry. probably can get a deal that expires 1 year sooner. they'll have $6 mil less on the cap b/c of zach's deal but not the end of the world.

but looking around the league, everybody is lining it up for 2010. maybe a team should take advantage of that and make deals to acquire talent + salary for that season.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-16-2008 09:50 AM]
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7/16/2008  9:50 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Let Donnie do his job?

Little ol' enyspree has no say in the matter. This is just a potential folley that we will all be looking back on as a wtf moment.

I can't even figure out a move that's next......is Donnie preparing to go into the season as is?

Eny as DJ said, this team's priority isn't about defense.

Zach puts up big numbers so why would they get rid of him when we have nobody on the roster who has the experience to do what he do. LOL

Clippers went with a defensive anchor in Camby, a gutsy clutch guy in the baron and a young up and coming stud in Thorton to go along with a steady Kaman and mobley.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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7/16/2008  9:58 AM
i still think the zach thing to the clippers was BS b/c like i said, if walsh didn't make that move then it's time to just close up shop...

walsh is known to take his time before making any decision. he deliberates, deliberates and deliberates. i still don't see how he could pass up this hypothetical move tho...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-16-2008 09:58 AM]
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7/16/2008  9:58 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by McK1:

wouldn't getting rid or crawford and curry accomplish the same thing as getting rid of zach?

they should trade curry. probably can get a deal that expires 1 year sooner. they'll have $6 mil less on the cap b/c of zach's deal but not the end of the world.

but looking around the league, everybody is lining it up for 2010. maybe a team should take advantage of that and make deals to acquire talent + salary for that season.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-16-2008 09:50 AM]
thats how I feel. Take advantage of team's firesales

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7/16/2008  10:00 AM
I agree that WAlsh should have traded Zach and if Marbury could have brought us Camby, that was another missed opportunity. We have promising young talent at the 2,3, and 4 spots. Clearing out Zach would have create some more opportunities and ensured that we would be under the cap in 2010. Walsh blew this one.
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7/16/2008  10:11 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Islesfan is somewhere flaming off!

So my question to our New team president........

What the hell are you doing?

Eny, we already went through all of this with the Lee thing. Walsh is waiting. He's doing something the last two GMs didn't do and look where it got us! Have patience and make no' desperate deals. Donnie's a smart man so far and I'm glad he didn't bite. You'll see.
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7/16/2008  10:18 AM
It's not the people we want to get rid of. It's the money we want to think about protecting, even if it means keeping bad pieces until the contracts 'at least' get close to running out.

I'd love to dump:
suckbury
zach
curry
jeffries
Q
jerome

But if it doesn't help us financially, then it doesn't mean anything to me. These are the very same mistakes isiah-diot and laydumb made and it shows!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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7/16/2008  10:24 AM
It's tough to stress enough, that any ******* could have and would have made this move. It makes all the sense in the world Donnie and his experience mean ****ing nothing. You have a player making max dollars that has never been in the playoffs, has a bad rep, a criminal record and helped lead your team to the 5th worst record in the league.

You have a team that is vulnerable, needs to save face and perhaps is run as poorly as the Knicks. But you think you have them by the balls, not realizing that every free agent is a better fit in their system and more attractive assets are out there. So you hold out for their lottery pick? Are you ****ing kidding me.

Donnie's objectives were as follows:

Get under the cap in time for 2010.

1. Move Zach (Silver platter deal, cap space, 18 million off the books in 2010)

2. Move Curry (How can you do that, make him the focal post option, by moving Zach, building up his confidence and he has a tradable salary at 10 million)

3. Move Crawford (This one is a little tougher, however without Zach he will be open for more shots in Mike offense, he works well with Curry chances are he can increase his value)

4. Trade David Lee for a rebuilding asset (Lee can run he can pass he can rebound three things that would have allowed him to get guys shots and be an effective garbage man in a starting role while, Q, Chandler, Gallo, Nate, Jamal fire away)

5. Develop Chandler, Nate, Gallo (Moving Zach opens up more time for Gallo in the PF roll and more minutes to pass around)

So honestly what his Donnie preached since coming here, cap room, rebuilding, etc. How do you do that, by moving Zach, but he has just ****ed the plan up and who knows if he can execute it now. I don't want to have to move Curry or Zach with Lee he is a singular asset that should be packaged that way.......

Use your ****ing head, Donnie. If Zach scores 23pts 10rbs on an improving team and you get Francis and Frye for him, what could you possibly get in return for a guy that is one incident away from never been able to be removed again? Hopefully Cleveland gets desperate, but I highly doubt it, and Zach is now the PF for the next three years
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7/16/2008  10:33 AM
Personally I think camby is overrated. Why would they let him go anyway? It's not like he took them to the next level anyway. Hell, they had Melo and Iverson and still couldn't pull it off. Camby about ready to break down. Good move Donnie.
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7/16/2008  10:38 AM
Posted by 4949:

Personally I think camby is overrated. Why would they let him go anyway? It's not like he took them to the next level anyway. Hell, they had Melo and Iverson and still couldn't pull it off. Camby about ready to break down. Good move Donnie.

good move as far as not getting Camby? Or in keeping Zach chained to this organization?
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7/16/2008  10:38 AM
And I think people just want to give Walsh the benefit of the doubt but I wouldn't. The guy has made bonehead moves. The Al Harrington trades is just one example.
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7/16/2008  10:45 AM
Be cool, Let Donnie do his thing. Patience, patience.

Its it entirely possible that Walsh got Camby for the clips so we can get him. Its possible that Walsh can also get a point guard, and package the whole thing up for Zach at the same time. We can even give the clips somthing they might want.

Camby-Kamen does not look good on paper. Maybe its eddy they want? Who knows, but we got 2.5 months before training camp, 7 months till the trade deadline, and two more years till Zdumb is an "expiring".

Don't all have to be done. If Donnie thinks he can get better than a 2nd rounder then let the man do his job.
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7/16/2008  10:50 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

And I think people just want to give Walsh the benefit of the doubt but I wouldn't. The guy has made bonehead moves. The Al Harrington trades is just one example.
what trade was that?

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7/16/2008  10:57 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BigRedDog:
Posted by Andrew:

Eny don't assume that Denver would have done a Steph for Camby deal. Denver got a much better deal from the Clippers....immediate financial relief and a trade exception.

Denver saved $40 million in salary and luxury tax by trading Camby. No way do they trade him for Marbury. Eny find out the facts before you rant and put down Walsh. He has 3 yrs to trade Zach. It doesnt have to be this week. Patience!!
He has 2 years to trade Zach. We need him off the team by the 2010 off-season. He blew a golden opportunity. No one knows if any team will want Zach without even demanding we take a penny back again. That $15 mil trade exemption would have been really nice too.

You have no clue what the trade front looks like for Zach. Walsh made the calls and only he knows what he can get for him . If he turned down a 2nd round pick I am sure he feels he can do better. How many of you wanted us to trade Zach with our #6 pick just to get rid of him. Now we kept our pick and still could have traded him for something. Stop being a back seat GM and let him do his job.
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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