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Pharzeone
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7/15/2008  6:54 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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I actually thought Lampe had a great SL and show many of those qualities. I admit I like Gallinari determination and hustle more than Lampe but I think Lampe's upside was better than Gallinari. I thought when he was traded to the Suns the guy would take off in Mike D' system but he didn't. Like what has been said the same could be said of NCAA players.

I'm not arguing, I'm just asking here.. what do you like better about Lampe's upside back then that makes it better than Gallos?

Lampe had a post game, I thought he was a better athlete than Gallinari than what I saw yesterday (but that is still to be determine), I thought he was a real 6'10". I really believe Lampe would be able to handle the 4 spot but move to the 3 to create match up problems. I think both their ball handling skills were and are vastly exagerated but very good for 6'10" but let's face it that was abnormal then not so much now.
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7/15/2008  7:06 PM
9 SG Dwyane Wade Marquette 6'4" 200 21
Consider this one a placeholder. If Kaman and Lampe are both gone by the time the Knicks pick, one has to think they'll try to deal this pick to a team that fancies Wade in return for some frontcourt help. They're too scarred from the Frederic Weis disaster to take a chance on Russian giant Pavel Podkolzin.

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7/15/2008  7:49 PM
Posted by oohah:

Does anyone really remember anything about Lampe's game? How would you describe it? Please compare and contrast what you personally remember from Lampe to what you have seen from the Big Cock.

Lampe was very young when he was drafted. He was 3 months into his 18th year. He probably needed 3 more years of seasoning. I wouldn't be surprised if he made another run at the NBA.

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I watched all of the SL games with lampe... He showed a nice stroke for sure, but he didn't have the handle or the ability to create his own shot like gallinari. both players are so different, danillo is fluid in his movements, very natural with the ball... Lampe was even less of an athlete than gallanari....
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7/15/2008  7:57 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by oohah:

Does anyone really remember anything about Lampe's game? How would you describe it? Please compare and contrast what you personally remember from Lampe to what you have seen from the Big Cock.

Lampe was very young when he was drafted. He was 3 months into his 18th year. He probably needed 3 more years of seasoning. I wouldn't be surprised if he made another run at the NBA.

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I watched all of the SL games with lampe... He showed a nice stroke for sure, but he didn't have the handle or the ability to create his own shot like gallinari. both players are so different, danillo is fluid in his movements, very natural with the ball... Lampe was even less of an athlete than gallanari....

Spot on analysis. I remember this too.

Lampe was a product of scouts infatuation with Euros. Hype can play tricks with the mind.
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7/15/2008  7:58 PM
Summer league is useful for evaluating specific things about a young player/prospect. For example, Wilson Chandler's ball handling is improved from last season.

Summer league is useful as a negative indicator. For example, a couple of years ago, Channing Frye was struggling defensively against summer league players to the point where it was a joke.

Summer league is not useful in indicating that a young player is going to succeed in the nba because he looks good against weak competition. The Lampe example says it all.
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7/15/2008  8:24 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by oohah:

Does anyone really remember anything about Lampe's game? How would you describe it? Please compare and contrast what you personally remember from Lampe to what you have seen from the Big Cock.

Lampe was very young when he was drafted. He was 3 months into his 18th year. He probably needed 3 more years of seasoning. I wouldn't be surprised if he made another run at the NBA.

oohah


I watched all of the SL games with lampe... He showed a nice stroke for sure, but he didn't have the handle or the ability to create his own shot like gallinari. both players are so different, danillo is fluid in his movements, very natural with the ball... Lampe was even less of an athlete than gallanari....

What handle did Gallinari show, he made one good move. He dribble and shot on move. The other he was called for a carry. His first attempt at scoring he didn't bother to put the ball on the floor which Clyde quickly called him on. I watched every single one of those SL games too. Lampe didn't just shoot the ball, he drove to the basket as well. Damn, I guess Gallianri is the flavor of the month now and Lampe is just yesterday trash. I guess he didn't have a post game either.
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7/15/2008  8:28 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Totally different eras. Now the scouting is much better and the NBA isn't looking to take as many chances on unproven Euros anymore. Remember teams were taking U.S. kids right outta high School and Euros before they even had a chance to grow facial hair. Now that's not happening. Gallo is legit IMO. No one is saying he's a lock to be a superstar, but he could really be good.

i find it odd that after years of not taking any Euro players and complaining, Now that we do finally take a guy who has all the usual Euro strengths, plus toughness, people want to rag on him. WHY? The kid has so much going for him and you'd have to be really biased against him not to admit that he's a much better prospect than Lampe, regardless of SL stats. SL stats were never the point. You have to look at signs that aren't necessarily gonna show up in the boxscore.

You seem like a nice guy but what is it with you and the kool-aid. Lampe was considered the better prospect coming in the draft than Gallinari. It's a matter of fact. Gallinari is compared to Hedo on a lot of boards, Lampe was compared to Dirk. He was rated higher than players like Wade and Bosh. Considered the 2nd best European prospect behind Darko. BTW, what's wrong with using Lampe, his SL games were very good. You are so blinded by desire to make him an all-star that you are losing it.

Don't be smug about this. I remember quite clearly what Lampe was as a prospect, but my point is that back then teams were taking chances with these Euros who were very young and hadn't done enough to really rate them properly. This is why so many of them flopped. Gallo is different in that he actually proved his metal in better circumstances.

Saying he was rated just behind Darko doesn't mean jack squat. It's all relative to the field of prospects you're comparing Lampe to. I had hopes that he would develop, but Gallo is much more of a known quantity in terms of his play in Europe. Lampe hardly did anything and was drafted 30th. Subsequently he hasn't shown much since. Lampe was overhyped like many Euros were back then.
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7/15/2008  8:42 PM
Posted by nixluva:
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Totally different eras. Now the scouting is much better and the NBA isn't looking to take as many chances on unproven Euros anymore. Remember teams were taking U.S. kids right outta high School and Euros before they even had a chance to grow facial hair. Now that's not happening. Gallo is legit IMO. No one is saying he's a lock to be a superstar, but he could really be good.

i find it odd that after years of not taking any Euro players and complaining, Now that we do finally take a guy who has all the usual Euro strengths, plus toughness, people want to rag on him. WHY? The kid has so much going for him and you'd have to be really biased against him not to admit that he's a much better prospect than Lampe, regardless of SL stats. SL stats were never the point. You have to look at signs that aren't necessarily gonna show up in the boxscore.

You seem like a nice guy but what is it with you and the kool-aid. Lampe was considered the better prospect coming in the draft than Gallinari. It's a matter of fact. Gallinari is compared to Hedo on a lot of boards, Lampe was compared to Dirk. He was rated higher than players like Wade and Bosh. Considered the 2nd best European prospect behind Darko. BTW, what's wrong with using Lampe, his SL games were very good. You are so blinded by desire to make him an all-star that you are losing it.

Don't be smug about this. I remember quite clearly what Lampe was as a prospect, but my point is that back then teams were taking chances with these Euros who were very young and hadn't done enough to really rate them properly. This is why so many of them flopped. Gallo is different in that he actually proved his metal in better circumstances.

Saying he was rated just behind Darko doesn't mean jack squat. It's all relative to the field of prospects you're comparing Lampe to. I had hopes that he would develop, but Gallo is much more of a known quantity in terms of his play in Europe. Lampe hardly did anything and was drafted 30th. Subsequently he hasn't shown much since. Lampe was overhyped like many Euros were back then.

Back then! A Italian player was drafted overrall number # 1 two years ago and now he is being trashed by comparisons to Gallinari. Hey man, god bless. Lampe sucks and Gallinari is the next Bill Bradley or Larry Bird.
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7/15/2008  8:55 PM
What handle did Gallinari show, he made one good move.

Actually he had 3 very nice dribble moves that you don't often see from guys his size, that tricky crossover, the reverse through the legs pull-up, and the move he made when Traylor demolished him.

In addition, he must have had 4-5 more moments where he showed a very confident handle, but he did not over dribble. Do you remember the 3 plays he made when he faked out his man and then setup a teammate for a nice shot (he got 2 assists frmo those plays.)

I think he played a nice all-around game. I don't think we should get out of hand with comparisons to hall of famers or big time all stars yet.

However, who cares if he is European, African, Asian, Canadian, South American, Caribbean, or where ever else he comes from. That is all immaterial. From what highlights I have seen from before yesterday's game and during his first SL game, he has the makings of a very nice NBA prospect.

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7/15/2008  9:08 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Back then! A Italian player was drafted overrall number # 1 two years ago and now he is being trashed by comparisons to Gallinari. Hey man, god bless. Lampe sucks and Gallinari is the next Bill Bradley or Larry Bird.

I never said he was the next Bradley or Bird, that was someone else. I just happen to think Gallo will succeed. I like his skill set, size, BB IQ and Heart. Guys like Skita, Darko, Lampe etc. all were taken early and during an era where GM's took chances hoping they had the next Dirk. NOW tho teams are more careful. Unlike Bargnani, I think Gallo has a better chance to be more of a Dirk like player. He's a better penetrator IMO. I think with more strength he's gonna be a good post player cuz his moves are solid, he just doesn't have a base yet. He's also got a good motor, which is a big plus.
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7/15/2008  9:22 PM
Posted by oohah:

Does anyone really remember anything about Lampe's game? How would you describe it? Please compare and contrast what you personally remember from Lampe to what you have seen from the Big Cock.

Lampe was very young when he was drafted. He was 3 months into his 18th year. He probably needed 3 more years of seasoning. I wouldn't be surprised if he made another run at the NBA.

oohah

Lampe looked like a deer in the headlights everytime i saw him out on the floor... he didn't look like he really cared too much about playing hard either... i see a much different look in Gallo's eyes... he looks like he's focused & paying attention in the game even when he's not shooting well (at least based on the 1 game we have to go on so far).

i don't think there's any comparison between what i saw in Lampe vs. Gallo... i think Lampe was all hype, whereas u can start to see some of what made scouts excited about Gallo to begin with after just 1 game.
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7/15/2008  9:37 PM
Wow. Poor Lampe. I remember when you were the flavor of the month. Now you are just a hyped up Euro.
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7/15/2008  9:43 PM
Hahahahahahaha this is so funny. The thread started with this message:
Maciej Lampe selected to the 2003 Reebok Rocky Mountain All-Revue Team after averaging 17.2 points and 7.0 rebounds in 32.4 minutes for the Knicks' summer league...just throwing that out there.

Yeah man, just throwing it out there. It had nothing to do with Gallo and the irresistible comparison. Thats simply evil... EVIL!!!!


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7/15/2008  10:11 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Hahahahahahaha this is so funny. The thread started with this message:
Maciej Lampe selected to the 2003 Reebok Rocky Mountain All-Revue Team after averaging 17.2 points and 7.0 rebounds in 32.4 minutes for the Knicks' summer league...just throwing that out there.

Yeah man, just throwing it out there. It had nothing to do with Gallo and the irresistible comparison. Thats simply evil... EVIL!!!!



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7/15/2008  11:15 PM
Posted by oohah:
What handle did Gallinari show, he made one good move.

Actually he had 3 very nice dribble moves that you don't often see from guys his size, that tricky crossover, the reverse through the legs pull-up, and the move he made when Traylor demolished him.In addition, he must have had 4-5 more moments where he showed a very confident handle, but he did not over dribble. Do you remember the 3 plays he made when he faked out his man and then setup a teammate for a nice shot (he got 2 assists frmo those plays.)

I think he played a nice all-around game. I don't think we should get out of hand with comparisons to hall of famers or big time all stars yet.

However, who cares if he is European, African, Asian, Canadian, South American, Caribbean, or where ever else he comes from. That is all immaterial. From what highlights I have seen from before yesterday's game and during his first SL game, he has the makings of a very nice NBA prospect.

oohah

you beat me to it.. that reverse through the legs pull up jumper is just not done by guys 6'10 in the NBA.. Not at all.. that is a tough move.. Eric gordon does it a lot, but he is a 6'2 guard.... That move is deadly against other bigs simply because of the reaction time, and then he can pull up off of that dribble and hit a fadeaway..... I was impressed as hell with that..

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7/15/2008  11:33 PM
These arguments are so asinine. Why do we keep having them?
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7/15/2008  11:49 PM
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7/16/2008  12:24 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

To be fair Lampe was a better prospect than Gallinari so I am not expecting those honors.

You have got to be kidding me with this nonsense

Lampe was never half as big a prospect as the Dirk comparisons on NBADraft.net would have had you believe. He didn't just slip because of the buy out stuff. Lampe didn't even get any burn overseas. He rode the bench for Real Madrid and basically never got in a game. Gallo was relied upon heavily both in the Italian league and euro play and has been the focal point of a squad and produced

Lampe has never done anything, anywhere, in any semi respectable league known to man. The only thing he had going for him as a prospect was his very young age (had just turned 18 months prior to being drafted)

[Edited by - knickssince88 on 07-16-2008 12:26 AM]

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