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EnySpree
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7/14/2008  9:43 AM
4949 - you wanna know how people (darkknicks) can say lee and his agent destroyed a part of the knicks future?

I wanna know how you can say Lee is gonna go to a winner if he is under contract?

If Lee is gonna continue to shoot down trade proposals cuz he won't resign then yet David Lee and his Agent are royally screwing the Knicks future.
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7/14/2008  9:50 AM
Another thing Isiah is a bitch. Let it go! New regime in here and if Lee has to go now cuz this regime's hands are tied then so be it.

Bottom line:

David Lee's career should not be in our best intrest. It should b Knick sucsess. Right now the Knicks might have his replacements already on the roster in Wilson and Gallo. I'm not inclined to pay Lee millions to be a bench player.

Knicks have to build a team to win. If anybody wants to see Lee everynight and remain a close fan.....there is always nba league pass.

Knicks come first, caca.
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7/14/2008  9:52 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

4949 - how could you say he'll go to a winner? Right now the Knicks have him under contract. Lee's agent is playing dirty by telling memphis he won't resign with them. If Lee wants to go to a contender then that means he would only be in play for a mid-level deal....most if not all the "winners" are over the cap. Think san antonio is ready to finally move Duncan officially to center and go with David Lee @ the 4? Maybe but isn't that his only option?

Agents should stay outta stuff like this. He is looking out for his clients intrests, but who's to say David Lee could have went to Memphis and start winning between this season and next? They have a good youthfull foundation over there. He could sign there for good money too. He's taking a "L" possibly for location? I guess he really is a NY'er at heart. Why move to the bronx and have space when you can be in manhatten close to the action but have to eat, sleep and **** in the same room.

Okay then, San Antonio. And I thought it was the agents job' to get involved with stuff like this. I mean after all, he's the one the player hired to find a good contract for him right? Playing in Memphis isn't something most players would want to do. That's why Memph never has a great team, youthful or not. But this isn't about Memphis. This is about David Lee.

I find it interesting how some people say Lee would do good elsewhere, but at the same time, we need good players ourselves and we want to get rid of him? It really makes me wonder what the real reason is why some people don't care for David Lee.
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7/14/2008  9:54 AM
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Lee cost us Mayo. Only way he wins back my support is if he proves to be a better player(that means more than the one dimensional hustle player he currently is) and he resigns with us for a discount to prove that he really wants to play here.

So far there have been two instances where he has acte like a primadonna.

First was the whole Larry Brown is stealing our joy crap and now this. I am really starting to sour on him.

I just hope he realizes the repurcussions of his actions. He alienated himself from new management that will be here long term. That is never good. I am curious if this was an unolicted thing his agent did or if Memphis wanted him resigned as soon as he got there and then his agent did it. There is a difference to me.

I also don't buy that his agent was doing his own thing. Agents work for players. He had to know. That is something that had to be run by Lee first. I think that part is an out and out lie about him not knowing.

These kinds of opinions are really puzzling...
We all want players with sense of loyalty in NY, and, when some player wants to stay we hang all dogs on him.
So you want Lee to trade NYC for f..ng Memphis to help offset the Isaih/Dolan stupidity? Why in hell he will do this. No player will do this. We are in the crap over the head and we must eat it until we will get out.



Did Lee sign a contract extension in the past month? All he proved was that he didn't want to play in Memphis.
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7/14/2008  9:54 AM
no team will trade for lee + zach together. but if zach gets traded, i can see them re-signing lee. but if they can't move zach, then they'll probably move lee (at the deadline or a s&t next summer).
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7/14/2008  9:57 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:

Lee cost us Mayo.

It's not Lee's job to get us Mayo. That's Walsh's and Dolan's. If my empoloyer wanted to shift me to a place I didn't want to go to, I'd do everything I could to get out of it too.

Who said it was his job? Not me. I said he cost us Mayo. There's a difference.

As per you doing everything you can to get out of a relocation, how well do you think you're bosses would react to that-if they decide to keep you around after fighting them?
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7/14/2008  10:00 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Another thing Isiah is a bitch. Let it go! New regime in here and if Lee has to go now cuz this regime's hands are tied then so be it.

Bottom line:

David Lee's career should not be in our best intrest. It should b Knick sucsess. Right now the Knicks might have his replacements already on the roster in Wilson and Gallo. I'm not inclined to pay Lee millions to be a bench player.

Knicks have to build a team to win. If anybody wants to see Lee everynight and remain a close fan.....there is always nba league pass.

Knicks come first, caca.
Thats it. Very good post.
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7/14/2008  10:02 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by Ira:

I have no problem with that. Every player does what they feel is best for their career and their life, just like everyone else in the world.
I dont care about Lee being happy or having a good career. All I know is he (or his agent) damaged the Knicks future a little bit.

Funny quote for the day!

Lee can't catch a break anywhere. First of all, they bring in useless zach randolph, who takes Lee's minutes away and then they try to ship him off with the same guy who took his minutes. And now Lee is the one WHO DAMAGED THE KNICKS FUTURE????????

What a joke!!! How selfish can people get around here?

Isiah-diot destroyed our chances:

No talent for 2008-09:
suckbury
zach
curry
Q
Jerome
Jeffries = 66 million totals in contracts

No talent for 2009-10:
zach
curry
Q
jerome
jeffries = 48 million totals in contracts


And somehow Lee and his agent destroyed a part of our future?

What's wrong with this picture?
Most exagerated reply of the day.
I did not say Lee deserves to be burnt in hell. I said he damaged the Knicks future (and I just said "a little bit") because maybe we could have Mayo by now. The rest is you trying to make a big deal of what I said, which is just what every Knicks fan must think: I want the Knicks to succeed, not David Lee to be happy nor rich.

I just wanted to make the point clear to all who are in favor of getting rid of Lee, so all of this isn't directed at you solely. And I didn't say that you said 'he should be burnt in hell'. I also acknowledged 'little bit' as 'some'. About Lee being happy or rich, look at the figures to the real problem again above. All of those rediculous contracts over a lousy 6 mil. a year deal for Lee doesn't even compare.

Like I said, Lee can't catch a break.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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7/14/2008  10:08 AM
Posted by EnySpree:


I wanna know how you can say Lee is gonna go to a winner if he is under contract?

Well, if the Knicks can trade him to a contender, then I'll have your answer for you. And he ain't going to no bum rap in Memphis either. So thus my point is made. 'He'd rather go to a contender' but...................it ain't happening, so no trade is happening.

So what do you guys say we move on from this Lee trade scenario and anymore crying over spilled mayo. Lee's staying and if zach has to stay, then that's isiah-diots fault, now isn't it? Lee should not be held accountable for some over priced bum. Would you wanna be? And let's not forget' Lee loves NY! What's not good about keeping him?

And don't nobody give me that 'one-dimensional' crap either.
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7/14/2008  10:08 AM
Enyspree i totally agree that the Knicks shouldnt worry about lee and his future. His agent shouldnt worry about the knicks
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7/14/2008  10:13 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Another thing Isiah is a bitch. Let it go!

How can you say let it go, when this whole argument is based on his last act?

It's not Lee's fault! It's not Donnie's fault!

It is the fault of someone you now' want to take out of the equation, just to justify your argument. Yes?
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7/14/2008  10:15 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by Ira:

I have no problem with that. Every player does what they feel is best for their career and their life, just like everyone else in the world.
I dont care about Lee being happy or having a good career. All I know is he (or his agent) damaged the Knicks future a little bit.

Funny quote for the day!

Lee can't catch a break anywhere. First of all, they bring in useless zach randolph, who takes Lee's minutes away and then they try to ship him off with the same guy who took his minutes. And now Lee is the one WHO DAMAGED THE KNICKS FUTURE????????

What a joke!!! How selfish can people get around here?

Isiah-diot destroyed our chances:

No talent for 2008-09:
suckbury
zach
curry
Q
Jerome
Jeffries = 66 million totals in contracts

No talent for 2009-10:
zach
curry
Q
jerome
jeffries = 48 million totals in contracts


And somehow Lee and his agent destroyed a part of our future?

What's wrong with this picture?
Most exagerated reply of the day.
I did not say Lee deserves to be burnt in hell. I said he damaged the Knicks future (and I just said "a little bit") because maybe we could have Mayo by now. The rest is you trying to make a big deal of what I said, which is just what every Knicks fan must think: I want the Knicks to succeed, not David Lee to be happy nor rich.

I just wanted to make the point clear to all who are in favor of getting rid of Lee, so all of this isn't directed at you solely. And I didn't say that you said 'he should be burnt in hell'. I also acknowledged 'little bit' as 'some'. About Lee being happy or rich, look at the figures to the real problem again above. All of those rediculous contracts over a lousy 6 mil. a year deal for Lee doesn't even compare.

Like I said, Lee can't catch a break.
Ok man, but we all know what the real problem is and was. Those ridiculous contracts are certainly MUCH worse than not having Mayo or resigning Lee for 8 million $ a year to be a bench player, but it does not change the fact that we could be "better" (now and for the future) if Lee had been sent to Memphis. I dont agree about Lee not catching a break, I would say exactly the same about any other player (with the same set of skills or lack of them), no matter if he gets 20 million dollars or if he is a bench player, if he had been in that possible trade situation.
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7/14/2008  10:19 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

I'm not inclined to pay Lee millions to be a bench player.

Yeah, but at the same time we pay jerome 6 million to do just that!

If we want to get rid of someone, buy that fat ass out and give the six mil to Lee! That's one solution right there.
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7/14/2008  10:25 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by Ira:

I have no problem with that. Every player does what they feel is best for their career and their life, just like everyone else in the world.
I dont care about Lee being happy or having a good career. All I know is he (or his agent) damaged the Knicks future a little bit.

Funny quote for the day!

Lee can't catch a break anywhere. First of all, they bring in useless zach randolph, who takes Lee's minutes away and then they try to ship him off with the same guy who took his minutes. And now Lee is the one WHO DAMAGED THE KNICKS FUTURE????????

What a joke!!! How selfish can people get around here?

Isiah-diot destroyed our chances:

No talent for 2008-09:
suckbury
zach
curry
Q
Jerome
Jeffries = 66 million totals in contracts

No talent for 2009-10:
zach
curry
Q
jerome
jeffries = 48 million totals in contracts


And somehow Lee and his agent destroyed a part of our future?

What's wrong with this picture?
Most exagerated reply of the day.
I did not say Lee deserves to be burnt in hell. I said he damaged the Knicks future (and I just said "a little bit") because maybe we could have Mayo by now. The rest is you trying to make a big deal of what I said, which is just what every Knicks fan must think: I want the Knicks to succeed, not David Lee to be happy nor rich.

I just wanted to make the point clear to all who are in favor of getting rid of Lee, so all of this isn't directed at you solely. And I didn't say that you said 'he should be burnt in hell'. I also acknowledged 'little bit' as 'some'. About Lee being happy or rich, look at the figures to the real problem again above. All of those rediculous contracts over a lousy 6 mil. a year deal for Lee doesn't even compare.

Like I said, Lee can't catch a break.
Ok man, but we all know what the real problem is and was. Those ridiculous contracts are certainly MUCH worse than not having Mayo or resigning Lee for 8 million $ a year to be a bench player, but it does not change the fact that we could be "better" (now and for the future) if Lee had been sent to Memphis. I dont agree about Lee not catching a break, I would say exactly the same about any other player (with the same set of skills or lack of them), no matter if he gets 20 million dollars or if he is a bench player, if he had been in that possible trade situation.


Let me make one thing clear to everyone here. The New York Knicks are not going to be better, not until these contracts are gone. Not until we are fairly under that cap. And that's my whole argument about letting these demented contracts run out. We basically have no choice! Any trades made, are just being made for change. Not' to get better. No one's that stupid to give us quality talent for such high contracts of low talent.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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7/14/2008  11:02 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by EnySpree:

I'm not inclined to pay Lee millions to be a bench player.

Yeah, but at the same time we pay jerome 6 million to do just that!

If we want to get rid of someone, buy that fat ass out and give the six mil to Lee! That's one solution right there.

That's not a good arguement.
Jerome is gonna get paid regardless if he's waived or not and his contract counts against the cap for the remainder of the deal.

Jerome again is someone stupid ass Isiah brought in. To Donnie and D'antoni they are not looking at him more than a contract. He probably will be bought out before the end of the summer if a roster spot is needed or something. His contract is still a chip to be played.

Again....this is a new regime. I don't mind keeping David Lee, but if this new management sees Chandler and Gallo as the future and presently cheaper alternative to signing David Lee to what would probably be a Isiahesque deal then you gotta make the right move......trade David Lee(AND Zach just not in the same trade, curry too if at all possible) for someone that fits the Knicks going forward.

This has nothing to do with race, btw. I see you trying to suggest that above. No freakin way. David Lee is still a good player regardless of whatever, but its not about him. Its about getting the right mix of players here.

Isiah's mess is Donnie's to fix. That's why donnie is here. Again let this Isiah's fault **** go. Some kids in central africa are sitting in a hut with flies in their noses, no water, electricity or food and they still probably would know the Knicks are screwed up cuz of Isiah. Its a world known fact. Let it go.
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7/14/2008  11:04 AM
BAD DAVID LEE!! BAD!!!!!

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7/14/2008  11:06 AM
all these rumors and stories don't mean anything.

actions are what matters. so far, the knicks have walsh as a gm, d'antoni as the coach, drafted gallinari and signed duhon. everything else said or written about means jack.
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7/14/2008  11:07 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

all these rumors and stories don't mean anything.

actions are what matters. so far, the knicks have walsh as a gm, d'antoni as the coach, drafted gallinari and signed duhon. everything else said or written about means jack.

Stop trying to be so reasonable. David Lee destroyed the Knicks. He's worse than Isiah.

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7/14/2008  11:10 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by Ira:

I have no problem with that. Every player does what they feel is best for their career and their life, just like everyone else in the world.
I dont care about Lee being happy or having a good career. All I know is he (or his agent) damaged the Knicks future a little bit.

Funny quote for the day!

Lee can't catch a break anywhere. First of all, they bring in useless zach randolph, who takes Lee's minutes away and then they try to ship him off with the same guy who took his minutes. And now Lee is the one WHO DAMAGED THE KNICKS FUTURE????????

What a joke!!! How selfish can people get around here?

Isiah-diot destroyed our chances:

No talent for 2008-09:
suckbury
zach
curry
Q
Jerome
Jeffries = 66 million totals in contracts

No talent for 2009-10:
zach
curry
Q
jerome
jeffries = 48 million totals in contracts


And somehow Lee and his agent destroyed a part of our future?

What's wrong with this picture?
Most exagerated reply of the day.
I did not say Lee deserves to be burnt in hell. I said he damaged the Knicks future (and I just said "a little bit") because maybe we could have Mayo by now. The rest is you trying to make a big deal of what I said, which is just what every Knicks fan must think: I want the Knicks to succeed, not David Lee to be happy nor rich.

I just wanted to make the point clear to all who are in favor of getting rid of Lee, so all of this isn't directed at you solely. And I didn't say that you said 'he should be burnt in hell'. I also acknowledged 'little bit' as 'some'. About Lee being happy or rich, look at the figures to the real problem again above. All of those rediculous contracts over a lousy 6 mil. a year deal for Lee doesn't even compare.

Like I said, Lee can't catch a break.
Ok man, but we all know what the real problem is and was. Those ridiculous contracts are certainly MUCH worse than not having Mayo or resigning Lee for 8 million $ a year to be a bench player, but it does not change the fact that we could be "better" (now and for the future) if Lee had been sent to Memphis. I dont agree about Lee not catching a break, I would say exactly the same about any other player (with the same set of skills or lack of them), no matter if he gets 20 million dollars or if he is a bench player, if he had been in that possible trade situation.


Let me make one thing clear to everyone here. The New York Knicks are not going to be better, not until these contracts are gone. Not until we are fairly under that cap. And that's my whole argument about letting these demented contracts run out. We basically have no choice! Any trades made, are just being made for change. Not' to get better. No one's that stupid to give us quality talent for such high contracts of low talent.

4949.....

You still aren't saying anything. Yeah the Knicks aint **** till the contracts roll off the cap....duh....must of them will in wake of 2010.

The Knicks have assets in David Lee and Zach. Knicks have options with these guys. Will it be trading for change? Yeah....we hope. The plan is to make moves to reduce cap by 2010 while still remaining compeditive and rebuilding.

Duh. There is nothing else behind it.
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7/14/2008  11:11 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by djsunyc:

all these rumors and stories don't mean anything.

actions are what matters. so far, the knicks have walsh as a gm, d'antoni as the coach, drafted gallinari and signed duhon. everything else said or written about means jack.

Stop trying to be so reasonable. David Lee destroyed the Knicks. He's worse than Isiah.

he's the white devil...
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