Posted by newyorknewyork:

As a matter of fact. The euro style of ball relies so heavily on team ball movement and passing that they usually don't have pgs dominate the ball like Steve Nash did.

The best example is the Kings with Vlade, Webber, Peja, Christie, Bibby.

Bibby only averaged like 5 assist per game but as a team they were one of the top passing teams in the league with. The whole starting lineup would all have like 5-4 assist each.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by EnySpree:

As far as great passing point guards.....ever notice that those point guards always end up with 30pts in a game when their team can't buy a bucket? Nash always ends up scoring more than he should in the playoffs. Why? His team relies to heavily on his ability to make things happen for the team.

Steph has had this problem every day of his career except in Minnesota. Steph has always had to score cuz no one else on his teams could. He was always on ****ty teams and he had to carry them offensively......take into account that he never really learned how play a team game, being the man since he was 5 years old and there you go.

Baron Davis was smart enough to change his game. He still scores but he is more of a floor general and takes over when he has to.

Bibby is also a smart mofo. Right now in Atlanta he clearly has lost a step....but he knows enough to use the hesitation dribble and keep moving and letting go the ball as often as possible. Great point guard.

Good example of what I'm saying is what deron Williams did in the playoffs when he was averaging 30+ in that second round series. Deron is an awesome point guard but Utah runs everything through him. A lot of everything is a result of what he can do. When they key in hard on certain things they do, Deron has no choice but to heave ho.

Kobe isn't a point guard but he handles the rock way too much, like a point guard. It cost them the title cuz the whole team found out that they suck unless Kobe is on his ****. Boston locked the whole team down to the point Kobe was forced to chuck and Boston pounced and totally embarrassed them.

Key to winning is to have a team game where everyone is passing and playing defense. You need guys that can score from all 5 positions.........if you have that, hopefully someone has the biggest balls and can make baskets when the opposing defense clamps in and the refs swallow their whistle.

Hmmm. Guess you could put Kidd in this category too.

Yes, definately. His Nets teams were good but the Lakers got them and good because they shut down their run and gun, while totally taking advantage of their two holes, defending scoring big men and high scoring shooting guards......all of a sudden kidd is hoisting 3pters and looking to drive all the way for the score and K-mart, kittles, and jefferson were left useless.

Posted by playa2:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

As a matter of fact. The euro style of ball relies so heavily on team ball movement and passing that they usually don't have pgs dominate the ball like Steve Nash did.

The best example is the Kings with Vlade, Webber, Peja, Christie, Bibby.

Bibby only averaged like 5 assist per game but as a team they were one of the top passing teams in the league with. The whole starting lineup would all have like 5-4 assist each.

So since Sac-town had to Euros on that roster with a great passing big man in Webber, what players on the knicks have those qualities so that gallanari feels at home?

I think he will learn very quickly that the knicks team has players who like to shoot and become finishers not passers.

This is where "the gall" gets baptized as a rookie.

If he would have played with Vlade and Peja and webber that would be a different story.

Lucky for Gallo he has the most important piece in place. Which is the coach.

Posted by playa2:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

As a matter of fact. The euro style of ball relies so heavily on team ball movement and passing that they usually don't have pgs dominate the ball like Steve Nash did.

The best example is the Kings with Vlade, Webber, Peja, Christie, Bibby.

Bibby only averaged like 5 assist per game but as a team they were one of the top passing teams in the league with. The whole starting lineup would all have like 5-4 assist each.

So since Sac-town had to Euros on that roster with a great passing big man in Webber, what players on the knicks have those qualities so that gallanari feels at home?

I think he will learn very quickly that the knicks team has players who like to shoot and become finishers not passers.

This is where "the gall" gets baptized as a rookie.

If he would have played with Vlade and Peja and webber that would be a different story.

D'Antoni is going to be the one doing the baptising, and if the above happens, this is where the rest of the Knicks will face the wrath and damnation of the D'Antoni. If Walsh is really buying into the D'Antoni system, the players who cannot, or are unwilling to play in the system, will eventually be benched and then moved.

I remember years ago when the Jets had the great, but injury prone, Joe Namath and they had picked up Jim Nance, a 2x AFL rushing champion with Boston, who could still run. He had picked up some nice yardage in the exhibition season, and seemed to be a good pickup. During one game in the regular season, Namath got creamed by a rusher who Nance had failed to block. Unfortunately, if you were a back on the Jets at that time, you HAD to be a good pass blocker and protect Namath. Jim Nance was gone shortly from the Jets, even though I seem to recall that he had been doing decently as a reserve running back.

You can be pretty sure that Gallinari and others will buy into the D'Antoni philosophy, and if the Knicks' management is serious about turning things around, they will have to take action with the players who do not conform. It will be VERY interesting to see how D'Antoni deals with people like Randolph, Curry, Marbury, and others, if they simply refuse to play the system as he wants it played.