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sebstar
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7/11/2008  5:04 PM
I can see the logic in some of the posts here, I want him gone as much as anybody, but...

In an absolutely atrocious season Zach still put up 17/10. I could see D'Antoni saying something to the effect of: 'Hey, I played against Zach a lot in Phoenix, he is an absolute monster down low, and when I get a hold of him, I will exploit his talents. Isiah didnt know what he was doing. I'm not saying dont trade him if the right deal comes along, but lets not give him away for table scraps at this point. I'll jack up his value."

2010 is still two years away. Its not as if Zach can't play.
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7/11/2008  5:08 PM
Posted by sebstar:

I can see the logic in some of the posts here, I want him gone as much as anybody, but...

In an absolutely atrocious season Zach still put up 17/10. I could see D'Antoni saying something to the effect of: 'Hey, I played against Zach a lot in Phoenix, he is an absolute monster down low, and when I get a hold of him, I will exploit his talents. Isiah didnt know what he was doing. I'm not saying dont trade him if the right deal comes along, but lets not give him away for table scraps at this point. I'll jack up his value."

2010 is still two years away. Its not as if Zach can't play.

This is a gamble dude. There's no guarantees with this guy. What's the chance he gets into trouble again or he does the same black hole ballhog stuff the next 2 years? We probably wont have another team willing to eat up Zach Randolph's contract again. In the end, if it's true and Walsh fails to trade Randolph for cap relief before 2010, it would have been his biggest mistake.
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7/11/2008  5:11 PM
This may be a negotiating ploy. Maybe I'm reaching, but it could be that Donnie wants to do the deal but is seeing if the Clips will do better.
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7/11/2008  5:13 PM
I would have declined it too. Fuck Dunleavy. All of a sudden he wants to trade for a "homerun" while couple months earlier he was sh1tting on our team. Let it burn biatch! Let it burn! I would rather trade Zach to Cleveland.
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7/11/2008  5:17 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Zach is not a team player. He gives you double double but that's about it.

He doesn't play defense,makes mucho $$$$ and bi**hes when he doesn;t get the ball.

Get rid of the dude!

You know, you guys talking so bad about Zach is one of the reasons his value is so low.
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7/11/2008  5:22 PM
Zach's value isn't so low. A guy that can score 20/10 is valuable. You all are jumping on the dump Zach bandwagon. Yes, I know and have heard all about his faults. Yet the guy scores 20 pts and 10 reb/game every year. He has value and I am glad that Walsh didnt just give him away for nothing. That, IMHO, would be negligent.

Walsh is doing his job - that is bargaining and trying to get a better deal for the Knicks.....like a good young player, drafts picks, etc.
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7/11/2008  5:25 PM
I'm not gonna flip out like most have, but I read this as DW trying to squeeze a little more out of Baylor and the Paper Clips. It's a huge gamble. The Paper Clips seem to be the only team willing to take Z-Bo but if they end up getting Okafor or someone else - we're gonna be stuck with him.
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7/11/2008  5:27 PM
I hope Walsh knows what he is doing. His patience has paid off so far.
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7/11/2008  5:34 PM
They maybe paper clips but they know that they are probably the only team willing to swallow Z-Ro. There's is absolutley no need to for thenm to give us anything of any value. This is like Yahoo trying to tell Microsoft to raise the per dollar share price, only thing they acheived was utter frustration ofr their shareholders.
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7/11/2008  5:38 PM
I hope Walsh holds out for DeAndre Jordan...
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7/11/2008  5:39 PM
can someone remind me again what we gave up to get him?

We gave up Shit and all we have to get back for him is ****.

If we can get rid of him for 0, we're up in the game big time.

Zach isn't an asset because he doesn't fit our team with Curry & Lee & now Gallo.
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7/11/2008  5:47 PM
The Clippers have to save face but so do the Knicks--I would hope that we can negotiate a deal where we can get a little something byond cap space from this desperate team--although it could bite us in the arse as well.
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7/11/2008  5:55 PM
There is no way in hell this story is true. The number goal for the gm is getting rid of curry and zach and the only way to do that is either building up value or a straight salary dump.

I think the Knicks would have not even thought twice about moving the guy it would have allowed curry to regain confidence and restore his trade value. And if Zach has a great year, who really cares, he isn't worth 16 million and if you can get rid of curry and crawford after the fact you can sign two max players with lee and gallo and draft pick....
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7/11/2008  6:10 PM
According to trade checker, the Clips have to give up at least in the 1.5 to 2 mil salary range.

Al Thronton(1.5) and Brevin Knight(2 mil, last year) fall into that category.

Would you have done Brevin Knight for Randolph?

We're talking a salary dump and the Clips have only 8 players under contract.

My guess is the deal was something like Tim Thomas or Brevin Knight for Randolph, maybe Mobley(?) Al Thronton works but there is no way they would throw him into the pot, imo.
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7/11/2008  6:21 PM
This doesn't surprise me, since I believe Isiah would like another year to prove that Zach and Eddy can play together.
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7/11/2008  6:24 PM
One minor player I'd like from the Clippers is a restricted free agent - Nick Fazekas. He was a 2nd round pick a year ago and did pretty well off the bench. His scoring and rebounding were very good for the number of minutes he plays. He's not much better defensively than Zach or our other bigs. Maybe we can also pull out their second round pick.
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7/11/2008  6:39 PM
Posted by Elite:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/07/11/randolph.clippers/index.html

THIS IS CRAZY!!!!
Knicks unwilling to trade Randolph to Clippers in salary dump

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* The Clippers were targeting Zach Randolph as a replacment for Elton Brand
* Randolph has three years and $48 million remaining on his contract
* The Knicks believe Randolph will have a big season under Mike D'Antoni

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By Ian Thomsen, SI.com

The Knicks have rejected a proposal from the Clippers to trade power forward Zach Randolph, league sources told SI.com.

Terms of any proposal were not known, but the Clippers have enough salary-cap space to accept Randolph's contract without having to give the Knicks equal salaries in return. The Clippers, seeking to replace the departed Elton Brand, were trying to take Randolph off the Knicks' hands while offering little more than cap relief to New York, the sources said. Randolph will make $14.7 million next season, and he has three years and $48 million left on his contract.

While the Knicks are known to be interested in clearing cap space by 2010 to make a run at LeBron James or other potential free agents, the sources said New York wanted more than simple cap relief in exchange for Randolph. The Knicks appear to believe that Randolph will provide a highly productive season under new coach Mike D'Antoni, which could raise his value much higher than it is today. That's why the Knicks were not interested in nearly giving away Randolph's contract, according to the sources.

Other options for the Clippers would include pursuing Atlanta power forward Josh Smith or Charlotte power forward Emeka Okafor, but because both are restricted free agents, the Hawks and Bobcats can match any offer.

I have no idea if there is any truth to this rumor but I do tend to believe that Zach can have a big year under D'Antoni.

D'Antoni seems to have a knack for making guys comfortable and letting them play.

A phrase often used....

Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make

This time last year - Zach was our consensus best player on the roster. Now this year we all (me included) think we should deal him for cap relief.
Patience is a GMs best virtue -- maybe patience in trading Zach will either result in a far superior offer or a situation where we realize the kid can play for us.

He may not pass and he may not defend but he can score and rebound -- that's more than most on our roster.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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7/11/2008  6:50 PM
The Clips are more desperate to sign a star PF than we are to get rid of Zach NOW. The Clips just lost their best 2 players - Brand and Maggette. Their owner is trying to make the Clippers into a force in the West. He just signed Baron Davis to a BIG contract expecting to also spend a lot of money on Brand. Now Brand leaves. The money is still available, but they are stuck. They have to sign or trade for a big name player, especially a PF.

Josh Smith and Okefor were posted above as possibilities but if one does a reality check, there is no way , repeat no way that they can get either player. Their present teams will match any offers. So that leaves Zach. While his contract is big, so are his Stats. The Clippers tried to steal him. It didn't work. Let's see them up their offer.

Ira, Nick Faz is a good start, but I would ask for more. Like a first round draft pick. And we can take an expiring contract off their hands if they have one to offer and want to dump a player. That might sweeten the deal so they give us more. We have no problem with salaries for this year. 2010 is 2 seasons away.

Living L - I very heartily agree with you on your evaluation of Zach and Walsh.

[Edited by - markji on 07-11-2008 5:51 PM]
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7/11/2008  7:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:

Damn, this is a gamble. Bold, but could prove costly if Zach continues to disintegrate. I like the idea of not just accepting whatever junk is thrown at us, but at the same time moving Zach could go a long way in asserting some financial responsibility and focus.

Man, I hope they know what their doing if this story is true; but I agree with the premise, Zach can be a commodity, he's a baller but his trade value is rock bottom. Why sell low? Summer of 2010 is still 2 years away.

since the clippers have cap space, then moving zach to them would mean the knicks get a trade exemption in return. a pretty darn big trade exemption which translates into an expiring deal they could use up to 1 calendar year from now.

and if they chose not to use it, they just dumped $17+ mil from the 2010 cap. plus probably increases curry's value at the same time.

i know the knicks are idiots, but they're not this stupid hence why this has 27 degrees below celcius level of truth.

agreed, i can't believe Walsh would be this stupid to turn down a deal to dump Zach w/o having to give up any assets if the opportunity presented itself.
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7/11/2008  7:58 PM
Too many of you are assuming that Walsh is making a mistake. You have to at least afford him the respect of knowing what the heck he's doing. For one thing it's highly likely that he can improve Zach's value under D'Antoni. Just think about this, under inept coaching from Isiah, Zach still managed to put up very good numbers, now just what do you think will happen in a system designed to make shooters look even better? Who knows the kind of numbers he'll put up?

Now when teams get closer to the trading deadline there's a great chance that we'll get a better offer from teams. Deal from a position of strength rather than weakness. It's not a bad gamble at all. Especially if you believe in the skills of the coach you just hired.
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