Posted by NYK3:

Isles you add nothing to this site. You are just a whiny little bitch. All you do is bitch and moan about every move the Knicks make, it honestly has to suck being you. You are a miserable whiny little bitch

Posted by TrueBlue:

Isles makes very solid points many of which I have to agree with. He's had this organization sized up for a while now. Does DW deserve all this skepticism after his first few moves? Well it's debatable and looking at his predecessor does have some after affect on how moves are judged by this organization because Dolan and I SAY UGH are very present still. There really was no reason to make mention of I SAY UGH'S role(scouting foreign talent) right before the draft and then afterwards speak on how he played in a role in the selection process. You know how many franchises have individuals who play pivotal roles in decisions made in an organization who get no credit at all publicly? The reasons to keep I SYA UGH'S name in the press can only mean one thing in that Donnie is trying to help rebuild his reputation while at the same teaching him the ropes of how to manage a team properly. Add in Brandon Suhr's commentary on how great I SAY UGH is in finding talent and here you have an organization performing damage control for an employee who really doesn't deserve it. It's like they're almost going out of their way to remind us all he's still present no matter how minor/major his role is.

Look we've heard and said similar things word for word from moves in the past. Obviously we want change, we want to see signs of it and when something happens that appears to be contrast of what has happened in the past we swallow it up. These moves not being made by I SAY UGH doesn't automatically constitute them as good nor does it mean they are exempt from criticism. Donnie overpaid for Duhon plain and simple. Danilo pick was no greater a risk pick with upside than several other players picked well after him.

There was no greater resume in terms of success when LB got here and how did that turn out? Donnie has a chance to prove his worth I just don't see anything he's done thus far as remotely impressive. D'Antonio Sabato Jr. wants to make the playoffs next yr and Donnie has done nothing to help accomplish this this far. Going after Duhon would be like LB going after Eric Snow/Steve Francis to supplant Marbury who many here thought would have been horrific acquisitions but since Donnie only signed Duhon for 2yrs it's an All Good signing because it fits the cap space goal agenda. Francis and Snow's deals would have expired 2007/2008 and 2008/2009 respectively think about this for a second.

They then come out and try and publicly kill Lee's importance to the team, I guess because they're blaming him instead of their low budget offer for the 5th pick which in all actuality eliminated any chance of a deal getting done. Only for D'Antonio Banderas to follow it up a week later in damage control fashion because this is what we do best and speak highly of Lee as if he's going to be around for the duration. So if Lee will be around and Danilo doesn't become this All-World Pro really what has been done? Nothing! Until Donnie unloads major deadweight or builds up the value of the deadweight, nothing has been done besides rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-07-2008 1:50 PM]

Posted by VDesai:

Is creating mindbogglingy stupid and corny nicknames like D'Antonio Sabato Jr. actually done with the intention of being funny or is it just some sort of nervous tic?

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by VDesai:

Is creating mindbogglingy stupid and corny nicknames like D'Antonio Sabato Jr. actually done with the intention of being funny or is it just some sort of nervous tic?

Are you going to make a solid point or let this prove to be a road block to you?

Posted by BigRedDog:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Isles makes very solid points many of which I have to agree with. He's had this organization sized up for a while now. Does DW deserve all this skepticism after his first few moves? Well it's debatable and looking at his predecessor does have some after affect on how moves are judged by this organization because Dolan and I SAY UGH are very present still. There really was no reason to make mention of I SAY UGH'S role(scouting foreign talent) right before the draft and then afterwards speak on how he played in a role in the selection process. You know how many franchises have individuals who play pivotal roles in decisions made in an organization who get no credit at all publicly? The reasons to keep I SYA UGH'S name in the press can only mean one thing in that Donnie is trying to help rebuild his reputation while at the same teaching him the ropes of how to manage a team properly. Add in Brandon Suhr's commentary on how great I SAY UGH is in finding talent and here you have an organization performing damage control for an employee who really doesn't deserve it. It's like they're almost going out of their way to remind us all he's still present no matter how minor/major his role is.

Look we've heard and said similar things word for word from moves in the past. Obviously we want change, we want to see signs of it and when something happens that appears to be contrast of what has happened in the past we swallow it up. These moves not being made by I SAY UGH doesn't automatically constitute them as good nor does it mean they are exempt from criticism. Donnie overpaid for Duhon plain and simple. Danilo pick was no greater a risk pick with upside than several other players picked well after him.

There was no greater resume in terms of success when LB got here and how did that turn out? Donnie has a chance to prove his worth I just don't see anything he's done thus far as remotely impressive. D'Antonio Sabato Jr. wants to make the playoffs next yr and Donnie has done nothing to help accomplish this this far. Going after Duhon would be like LB going after Eric Snow/Steve Francis to supplant Marbury who many here thought would have been horrific acquisitions but since Donnie only signed Duhon for 2yrs it's an All Good signing because it fits the cap space goal agenda. Francis and Snow's deals would have expired 2007/2008 and 2008/2009 respectively think about this for a second.

They then come out and try and publicly kill Lee's importance to the team, I guess because they're blaming him instead of their low budget offer for the 5th pick which in all actuality eliminated any chance of a deal getting done. Only for D'Antonio Banderas to follow it up a week later in damage control fashion because this is what we do best and speak highly of Lee as if he's going to be around for the duration. So if Lee will be around and Danilo doesn't become this All-World Pro really what has been done? Nothing! Until Donnie unloads major deadweight or builds up the value of the deadweight, nothing has been done besides rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-07-2008 1:50 PM]

Yada, Yada Yada
Great! one bore sticking up for another bore (edited version). Reminds me of

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by VDesai:

Is creating mindbogglingy stupid and corny nicknames like D'Antonio Sabato Jr. actually done with the intention of being funny or is it just some sort of nervous tic?

Are you going to make a solid point or let this prove to be a road block to you?

I'm sorry, repeating myself on about 20 different threads your M.O. not mine, but since you asked so nicely, I'll make a few for you....

-We've got 2-3 young players we want to develop, and we're implementing a new offensive system. Therefore, a heady PG who could convey the coaches message was needed as neither Nate or Jamal qualify as one. Duhon may not be a star, but he certainly has the experience and skillset to qualify as a transitional PG.

-Duhon's a smart player on the floor, doesn't need to shoot, is unselfish and gives a nice effort on defense, which is a welcome respite from what has plagued as at the guard position.

-It didn't kill the cap, and there weren't other young, decent PG's around and available at these pay rates who weren't coach killers (see pt. no.1- Arroyo and Jason Williams have never met a dog house that they didn't want to live in... the last thing you want is more players like those when you're tring to bring along a Gallnari and a Chandler).

And look, I was able to do this without using a stupid nickname!


[Edited by - VDesai on 07-07-2008 3:29 PM]